Where to find the correct oil...?

[kdykmans]

Hello everyone,

I have recently purchased a new Defender and I am loving it, but not the dealer. I am trying to find the correct oil for the truck, but the dealer is being a real pain and not helping.

I know that a 2013 Defender needs Castrol C1 oil, which is designed for vehicles with a DPF. I have looked at numerous auto parts stores around Melbourne and I can not find any that carry C1.

Most of them carry Castrol Edge, which the dealer states is fine, but on the back of the bottle Castrol Edge states that "this oil not suitable for vehicles with DPF's". Then Land Rover said to use Magnatec. From my understanding Magnatec is a mineral oil...

Can anyone help me out. I am looking to get 7 liters of Castrol C1 so I can do my own oil change, instead of paying $400+ for the dealer to do a 20 minute job.

Are there any shops that sell it online?

Thanks,
Kevan

[PhilipA]

Castrol EDGE
Professional C1 5W-30


A low SAPS fully synthetic fuel efficient high performance engine oil.
It combines outstanding low temperature fluidity and high load protection. Low
SAPS helps emission control devices like DPF last longer ensuring better engine
performance and fuel economy.


Why don't you ask Castrol Australia?
They are usually helpful. you may find they only supply is wholesale volumes.
Regards Philip A

[PeterM]

Magnatec is not dinosaur oil either, its a semi-synthetic.

You can also go to most oil company websites and input your vehicle for a list of recommended lubricants.

Castrol (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/default.asp)

Valvoline (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/valv_auMS/default.asp)

Mobil (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/mobil_au/default.asp)

Penrite (http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/)

Shell (http://lubematch.shell.com.au/au/en_GB/equipment/defender_2_2_td_dpf_121849)

[tuesdayfox]

I changed engine oil last week at 12k km. the truck is now a lot smoother:D

Castro edge prof OE-X is the one iI used.

stealer used OE, which is replaced by OE-X (told by castrol

[kdykmans]

I was at Autobarn yesterday. The guy was really helpful and tried his hardest to find an oil on his shelves that had the C1 rating. They had nothing. He then called Castrol and asked where to get it. They told him that only the dealers have Castrol Edge C1.

It can't be this difficult to find Castrol Edge C1 outside of using the dealer...

Today I called the dealer and asked if they would sell me oil. They said yes, but I would need to provide my own container. Then the price was $275 for 9 liters.... That seems high.

Does anyone with a 2.2 do their own service? I can't be the only one...

Thanks
Kevan

[kdykmans]

I changed engine oil last week at 12k km. the truck is now a lot smoother:D

Castro edge prof OE-X is the one iI used.

stealer used OE, which is replaced by OE-X (told by castrol

Where did you purchase the oil? and how much?

Thanks,
K

[Psimpson7]

Before you get too far there seems to be some sort of shortage of oil filters as well if you have a late enough 2.2 with the screw on cartridge filter.

Defender2 - View topic - 2.2 Spin-on oil filter... (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic24691.html)

I would be interested to know what oil you finally decide to use as I intend to service ours when it arrives. (at least between the 20k official services)

[kdykmans]

Before you get too far there seems to be some sort of shortage of oil filters as well if you have a late enough 2.2 with the screw on cartridge filter.

Defender2 - View topic - 2.2 Spin-on oil filter... (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic24691.html)

I would be interested to know what oil you finally decide to use as I intend to service ours when it arrives. (at least between the 20k official services)

I actually purchased the oil filter from the dealer. They would easily sell me the filter, but the oil they did not want to help me with. The filter was $28. In my mind that was actually not bad. I am planning on doing an early motor service before the scheduled 10K service. The dealer wants $400+ for just an oil change. But they charge $500 for a complete service...

I just can't find any oil on the selves of auto parts stores that as the C1 rating. I know its out there, I just can't find it.

Does anyone know of a website or online company that sells and ships small quantities of oil?

I have never had such a hard time trying to find oil...

Regards,
K

[PhilipA]

This may help.
Penrite Oil - A Better Class Of Oil (http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products-categ.php?id_categ=1&id_fuel_type=4)

Regards Philip A

[komaterpillar]

you haven't mistaken "CI" for "C1" possibly?

maybe that's why no-one can find a C1 rated oil when they should be looking for a CI oil...

[weeds]

Before you get too far there seems to be some sort of shortage of oil filters as well if you have a late enough 2.2 with the screw on cartridge filter.

Defender2 - View topic - 2.2 Spin-on oil filter... (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic24691.html)

I would be interested to know what oil you finally decide to use as I intend to service ours when it arrives. (at least between the 20k official services)

adding a puma to the collection.........

[kdykmans]

Hi everyone,

This is the oil that I am looking for. It is what Land Rover claim they use.

Any thoughts?


http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/10617_Castrol_EDGE_Professional_C1_5W-30_3372271_2011_09.pdf

[Loubrey]

How much of a drive is it to your closest farmers coop/ bulk fuel depot?

Over here in WA the farmers coop have wholesale access to all Castrol products and it took them around 4 weeks to get me a 25l drum of the same stuff in the A5 spec for the 2.4 Puma.

Have to believe they can get a drum for you too at around the $17/ liter I paid?

Cheers,

Lou

[PhilipA]

This is from baby RR forum in UK. The Nick at Landrove ris aland rover technical advice person.
Nick@Landrover has come back to me with the following official info..

" I have been advised that the oil required for your Range Rover Evoque is 5W/30 WSS-M2C934/B. Whilst Land Rover recommend Castrol Oil this is purely a recommendation, any oil which meets the above specification would be sufficient. "

So there was have it, pretty concerning that my local dealer is selling oil for the Evoque which does not meet that spec !.



04-03-2012 09:11am

Regards Philip A
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/46.jpg (http://babyrr.com/forum/search.php?action=finduser&uid=1015)

[sashadidi]

http://www.totaloil.com.au/Pages/content/NT000125AA.pdf

[labrado]

I actually purchased the oil filter from the dealer. They would easily sell me the filter, but the oil they did not want to help me with. The filter was $28. In my mind that was actually not bad. I am planning on doing an early motor service before the scheduled 10K service. The dealer wants $400+ for just an oil change. But they charge $500 for a complete service...

I just can't find any oil on the selves of auto parts stores that as the C1 rating. I know its out there, I just can't find it.

Does anyone know of a website or online company that sells and ships small quantities of oil?

I have never had such a hard time trying to find oil...

Regards,
K
I contacted castrol some time ago and the C1 spec oil is only available in 20 litre drum.

here is the sentence in the email replied by Castrol:
The only oil in our range that meets this requirement is the Castrol 'Edge Professional C1 5W-30' which we have available in large packs - The Item Code for the 20 litre container is "3375617".

I personally use penrite 5w-40 enviro+ in my 2.4 puma, which doesn't require C1 spec oil.

[kdykmans]

I can't believe it is this hard to find Castrol Edge with C1 rating in a local store. I have emailed Castrol, but they have not replied yet.

Does anyone with a 2.2 do their own oil change?

I have checked many other oil companies, and non of them have C1 rating for diesel motors.

Does anyone have a contact at Castrol?

[PhilipA]

All you have to do is google Oil WSS-M2C934/B Aand you will find Liquimoly make one. www.liqui-moly.com.au/products/motor-oil/ (http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/products/motor-oil/) . note it is the Australian site.

Also penrite Enviro+ C4 5w-30 meets the spec.

See here Penrite Oil - A Better Class Of Oil (http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?id_categ=1&id_base_oil=3&id_products=306)

You really have to do SOMETHING other than continually ask questions.
It took me a total of say 10 minutes to find the quote from the Land Rover tech person and then look in some oil sites to find this and I am an old fogey.
Regard sPhilip A

[Orkney 90]

I for one will be changing my own oil in my 2013 Defender 90. At the moment it only has about 3600 km's on the clock.

Seeing as the first service according to the book is at 20000km's, I am wondering whether the first oil change (running-in oil) should be changed at 5000km's or 10000km's?

I have always done all my own oil changes, even on the horribly-fiddly and temperamental Citroens. That way I know that the filter is changed, I know the quality of the oil that goes in and I also drain the old oil very well. In all my years of vehicle ownership I have never had an engine problem. (Touch wood...)

[ajge]

This may help.
Penrite Oil - A Better Class Of Oil (http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products-categ.php?id_categ=1&id_fuel_type=4)

Regards Philip A

Hi,
I'm not sure about this websites selection
It recommends 5-40 semi synthetic oil for the disco 3 2007
I understand it should be 5-30 fully synthetic ?
Regards
Andrew

[PhilipA]

But we are not talking about their recommendations, we are talking about the availability of a particular specification oil.
Although I do note that they say AFAIR (meets) the Ford specification which implies to me that they have tested it but it may not have been submitted to Ford and approved.

Penrite is pretty well respected by Rick 130 who I understand is an oil chemist.
He also recommends Penrite semi synthetic 5-40 diesel for TD5 while the land Rover recommendation is full syntheric 5-30.
AFAIK the main reason for full synthetic is very long drain interval, and ability to use a slightly lighter oil. If you change oil more often than the LR interval which many do then semi synthetics are fine IMHO.
The only reason for my posts was to identify oils that meet the spec for the 2.2 Puma so that members can change their own oil with confidence, and I found 2 oils that fill the bill to me anyway.

Regards Philip A

[Loubrey]

You won't find any of the very specific oils in your "local store"… just doesn't happen…

As per my previous post - take a drive to your local industrial area and look for the bulk diesel distributor (where the trucks and road trains fill up on account). They will be reluctant to help as you aren't an account customer, but they will be able to get you the oil with a little bit of persuasion...

Alternatively the local farm stock supplier will have access to Castrol Australia's products. A lot of new tractors have Castrol recommended by the manufacturer.

You will have to buy it in minimum quantities of 20l drums as this stuff is not sold in 500ml cans or 5l jugs anywhere in the world. An extra 5 liter per drum to 25l would have been great as 3 services would have fitted nicely, but those are the breaks...

It takes a bit of effort to get hold of, but then you did buy a Defender…:D

Cheers,

Lou


I can't believe it is this hard to find Castrol Edge with C1 rating in a local store. I have emailed Castrol, but they have not replied yet.

Does anyone with a 2.2 do their own oil change?

I have checked many other oil companies, and non of them have C1 rating for diesel motors.

Does anyone have a contact at Castrol?

[PeterM]

Or, once again, people could click on any one of these links below and simply select their vehicle to get the appropriate oil recommendation ...



Magnatec is not dinosaur oil either, its a semi-synthetic.

You can also go to most oil company websites and input your vehicle for a list of recommended lubricants.

Castrol (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/default.asp)

Valvoline (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/valv_auMS/default.asp)

Mobil (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/mobil_au/default.asp)

Penrite (http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/)

Shell (http://lubematch.shell.com.au/au/en_GB/equipment/defender_2_2_td_dpf_121849)

[komaterpillar]

Did first oil and filter change on my 2013 defender today. I used Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5w-30.

Thoughts?

[303gunner]

you haven't mistaken "CI" for "C1" possibly?

maybe that's why no-one can find a C1 rated oil when they should be looking for a CI oil...
There's a couple of "Standards" for oil specifications. The US SAE system is the one we're most familiar with, and this categorises oils as Petrol (or Spark Ignition) oils with SF, SH, SJ, etc, or Diesel oils (or Compression Ignition) with CD, CF, CH, etc. Some oils can be suitable for both petrol and diesel engines, so will be rated SJ/CH, or similar. In each category, newer oil specs are given a higher letter alphabetically, so a CF oil is an older spec than a CH.

But many newer vehicles are coming out with Euro spec oils. These use the ACEA system, which categorises oils in 3 groups, A for Petrol, B for Diesel, and C for Diesel with DPF. The first spec in each class was A1, B1, and C1. As a newer specification comes into use, the number goes up. Most Euro petrol cars are now running A5 oil, and diesel is also B4 or B5. C1 was the first spec, but has now been superseded by C3 and C4 spec oils. A vehicle specified for an older oil in a class can use a newer spec, but one that specifies a newer oil cannot use an older spec. Your car specc'ed for C1 can safely use C2, C3, or C4 oils in the specified weight. Again, some oils may be suitable for multiple fuel types, so you might see an oil rated "ACEA A5/B4". I doubt you will find a distributor selling C1 oil still. Look for later spec C ratings like "ACEA C3, or C4". I do know that Fuchs Oil sell ACEA C rated oils in 5lt containers, so look at some of the Euro brands getting about instead of the big names like Shell, Castrol or Mobil.

[303gunner]

Did first oil and filter change on my 2013 defender today. I used Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5w-30.

Thoughts?
Yep, all good. Read the Spec Sheet (http://www.epc.shell.com/docs/GPCDOC_Local_TDS_Australia_Shell_Helix_Ultra_Extra _5W-30_(en-AU)_TDS.pdf) and you'll see it's ACEA rating is C3, but it is a multi use oil that is also suitable for petrol engines too.

[c.h.i.e.f]

2.2 has same filter as the 2.4...castrol 5w-30 castrol edge titanium it says in the fine print not suitable for DPF's the 2.2's don't have a dpf in Australia if it does remove it I say :D

[djambalawa]

I could only buy the oil for my D4 (I think it was Castrol Edge C1) from the wholesaler in a 20l drum.

[chally]

Just had first service done on my 2013 110 and dealer used 5w-30 Castrol Edge titanium oil. Checked availability with the local Repco store and they sell this oil in 1 litre ($20) and 5 litre ($70) volumes. No doubt this cost contributed to the $500 first service bill.