New purchase..... advise.....

[turbo6i]

Hi...


i've had a Disco 1. .. which was awesome... Disco 2, which was better kitted out but not as good offroad unfortunately, both suffering engine and clutch issues... costly enough to move them on.

I have waited a few years and saved up for a new Rig.

A brand new Defender 110.
I take delivery next week.

Found a beauty, Defender 110, Orkney Grey with a black roof, sawtooth MTR package, sunhatch.

Part of the wheeling and dealing with the finance company, managed to finance $5000 worth of upgrades.


Just making sure i've made the right decision by asking AULRO knowhows. ...
ive ordered an ARB Bullbar, a Tradesman 3/4 roof rack, a Magnum 9000lb winch, and Koni 2" lift kit.

I still have the option of adjusting the options.
Would anyone do anything different with $5000 of mods?

I intend to keep this Defender for at least 10 years, and will take it offroad, and try keep up with my mates 90.

[tequesta]

Surprised that you did not include a tow bar... they also double up as a good rear recovery point.

[specwarop]

So how long was the wait for it to get build?

Would also be interested in the cost of the bullbar?
Regards

[n plus one]

Hi...


i've had a Disco 1. .. which was awesome... Disco 2, which was better kitted out but not as good offroad unfortunately, both suffering engine and clutch issues... costly enough to move them on.

I have waited a few years and saved up for a new Rig.

A brand new Defender 110.
I take delivery next week.

Found a beauty, Defender 110, Orkney Grey with a black roof, sawtooth MTR package, sunhatch.

Part of the wheeling and dealing with the finance company, managed to finance $5000 worth of upgrades.


Just making sure i've made the right decision by asking AULRO knowhows. ...
ive ordered an ARB Bullbar, a Tradesman 3/4 roof rack, a Magnum 9000lb winch, and Koni 2" lift kit.

I still have the option of adjusting the options.
Would anyone do anything different with $5000 of mods?

I intend to keep this Defender for at least 10 years, and will take it offroad, and try keep up with my mates 90.

Be aware that you need to fit a Double Cardon front prop shaft with a two inch lift on a current model Defender - the Uni at the transfer case is likely to bind otherwise causing vibration and/or transfer case damage.

It's also worth being aware that LR are very agresdive in avoiding warranty claims where modifications have been done - do a bit of a search so you know what you're up against.

Hope this helps.

[noyakfat]

I personally would forget about a lift for now. (Likely warranty issues as mentioned, plus you have a very capable vehicle already). If you really really want one after 3 years/100,000km of driving, knock your socks off :)

Just my own opinion here... but I am also collecting a new 110 in a couple of months, and I also have a budget for aftermarket toys at the moment...

I am putting on a snorkel, with Nugget's sealing kit, a tow bar (more as recovery point with towing ability), and a rear wheel carrier (essential IMO if you want to prevent damage to the rear hinges).

Oh, I am also putting on some steel wheels and muddies for play, because I get a very good price on some locally, and that will match my intended use for the near future.

I may look at having a mate make me up some recovery points for the front (negligible cost).

When finances permit, I am planning on investing in a custom front bar to accommodate a winch and recovery points, a bit later down the track.

My list comes in under $5k... for now... :)

I share your excitement,
Cheers,
Nige

[Gerokent]

I would agree with Noyakfat about lifting your vehicle. No need IMO, they are very capable without it and you will have a lot less issues.
"Poser" is an expression that springs to mind when I see a lifted vehicle (especially a 110):wasntme:

[specwarop]

What is this nugget sealing kit everyone speaks of?

Are the stock standard base model rims/tyres no good?

[POD]

Agree with the comments about lift, although I'm lifting my 130, the 110s don't have the same issues with ramp-over angle and rear overhang, an extremely capable vehicle in standard form. One thing these vehicles lack is storage, I would perhaps be looking at storage options such as the mud glovebox unit (just fitted mine today, very tidy unit), perhaps an overhead console, maybe drawers in the rear if that suits your need. Sound deadening / heat insulation for the floor would also be on my list.
In the unlikely event you find you want to lift the vehicle sometime down the track (so to speak) you're best to wait out the warranty period.

[turbo6i]

Sorry forgot to mention... tow ball is part of the deal... reason for not mentioning it is that i believe every landrover should have one as a stock feature.


the 2" lift isn't necessary.
what is necessary is that is part of my finance deal, i talked them into 5K of mods.

I chose Ritter as my finance option, and 5K went their way. I can spend it on what ever is required............ Sorry for sounding like i'm bragging...... :-) :twisted:

If you had 5K to spend on a new 110 what would you do?

I proposed, ARB bar, Munro Winch, Roof rack and a lift.... .


....

[Goots]

In my opinion all very solid options for upgrades! MTR's, lift, Bullbar and winch will take you places, but in my very recent experience I'd advise you to get a snorkel. Probably an ARB one like a Safari and to get a nugget air box.

the very last thing you ever want is that feeling in the pit of your stomach that your pride and money-pit is now a lump of scrap courtesy some water. I came much too close to this happening recently when I stalled in about 4 1/2 feet of water, got recovered, opened the air filter and the thing had 2 inches of water in it!
Pulled the turbo: full of water
Pulled the intercooler: full of water
pulled the intake manifold: full of water
pulled the glow plugs: turned without compression and tiny bit of vapour escapes and then its all good.

I put it back together and it starts and drives fine so Im the luckiest guy in history. Had a snorkel fitted but it's integrity was compromised by mud in the drain valves and a perished hose.

whatever you do, get a snorkel and make it a good one.

Edit: sorry this is Wicks89 on my brothers profile

[specwarop]

Do you also recommend getting one of those gearbox snorkels? I read somewhere the gearbox oil cooler has a breather that will let water in also?

[gazcoonar]

[QUOTE=Goots;2088336]I'd advise you to get a snorkel. Probably an ARB one like a Safari and to get a nugget air box.

Hi mate, I was thinking of getting a Mantec snorkel.. Is there a reason you feel ARB or Safari snorkels are better??

Cheers

[Wicks89]

specwarop Do you also recommend getting one of those gearbox snorkels? I read somewhere the gearbox oil cooler has a breather that will let water in also?

As in like a breather? Yes definitely. You can get kits to do all diffs, transfer case and gbox. I'd recommend that because without a doubt you'll have ingress of water and it just wrecks the oils. I changed mine after my little episode and the oils were basically milk.
I reckon these are important because you can get ingress to gbox and tcase if say you were just bogged in some watery mud or just traversing a deep ford.

The only reason I say an ARB affiliated brand is because that's all I've ever used personally. If the dealer can do Manteca cheaper go for it, but if you check one thing on pick up make it the snorkel. As in fittings, finish etc

Other than that should be a cracking rig!

[turbo6i]

"Poser" is an expression that springs to mind when I see a lifted vehicle (especially a 110):wasntme:

I like my Women wearing High Heels :D

[turbo6i]

In my opinion all very solid options for upgrades! MTR's, lift, Bullbar and winch will take you places, but in my very recent experience I'd advise you to get a snorkel. Probably an ARB one like a Safari and to get a nugget air box.

the very last thing you ever want is that feeling in the pit of your stomach that your pride and money-pit is now a lump of scrap courtesy some water. I came much too close to this happening recently when I stalled in about 4 1/2 feet of water, got recovered, opened the air filter and the thing had 2 inches of water in it!
Pulled the turbo: full of water
Pulled the intercooler: full of water
pulled the intake manifold: full of water
pulled the glow plugs: turned without compression and tiny bit of vapour escapes and then its all good.

I put it back together and it starts and drives fine so Im the luckiest guy in history. Had a snorkel fitted but it's integrity was compromised by mud in the drain valves and a perished hose.

whatever you do, get a snorkel and make it a good one.

Edit: sorry this is Wicks89 on my brothers profile

Lucky...
Noted... a good Snorkle and nugget box will be a priority

[frantic]

One option is 255/85 (33.4in)tyres instead of the standard 235's (32in)you will need a different wheel offset though as the normal + 30 will touch the rear spring mount on full compression . Somebody using the +20 sawtooth factory alloys was ok but another touched. I have 255 bighorns at the zero offset and they are good, better than the old coopers 235's that where there when I bought it.

[KarlB]

You really do need to go through seriously deep water to need a snorkel. The bottom of the air-intake is 900 mm off the ground. At that depth you have water on the floor of the vehicle (600 mm) and in the back (750 mm). At 900 mm you are getting water in the driver's seat box which is full of sensitive electronic gizmos. At depths greater than 600 mm flotation starts to be an issue (until the vehicle fills up with water). You will get water surging over the bonnet at even moderate speeds at even moderate water depths.

You need to be very mindful that if your vehicle is under warranty, then any damage from water crossings greater than 500 mm depth (official maximum wading depth) will likely not be covered, snorkel fitted or not.

I might add that I have an OEM raised air intake (they are made by Mantec), one of Nugget's connection kits, and have moved the electronics from under the drivers seat to a Mulgo X-box. Did I really need these mods? Probably not.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[specwarop]

Isnt there other benefits from such mods? Such as the better air quality due to a snorkel, and the raised console box for an arm rest, not sure about the nugget box however.
Would you also say then that the diff and trans breathers would be more important than the snorkel?

[turbo6i]

No discredit to Nugget, however, ... would a trip to Clark Rubber and a few Clamps would do the trick?

also.. met Daniel from Mulgo today at the Victorian 4x4 Show.... I am more wiser now :-)

[n plus one]

No discredit to Nugget, however, ... would a trip to Clark Rubber and a few Clamps would do the trick?

Only way to be sure is the hard way :twisted:

But if you take the time to have a good look at the standard ducting, you'll see you're up against a bit of a battle!

[ProjectDirector]

Sorry forgot to mention... tow ball is part of the deal... reason for not mentioning it is that i believe every landrover should have one as a stock feature. the 2" lift isn't necessary. what is necessary is that is part of my finance deal, i talked them into 5K of mods. I chose Ritter as my finance option, and 5K went their way. I can spend it on what ever is required............ Sorry for sounding like i'm bragging...... :-) :twisted: If you had 5K to spend on a new 110 what would you do? I proposed, ARB bar, Munro Winch, Roof rack and a lift.... . ....

I went with Ritters too, all recovery and protection gear supplied and fitted by them. Great service and they know their landrovers.
Don't worry about lifting, it is more than adequate.
You will need to replace your front springs due to extra weight. Got my done by LR to avoid warranty issues.
Now waiting for my tradesman roof rack.

You may consider reversing camera, it is not the easiest car to park. Bought one with HD ccd sony camera for $44 and fitted myself.

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[Wicks89]

So some postulating about whether you 'need' a snorkel. Heres what I know getting one will only improve the rig. Not getting one limits you and the day you hit some water and hydro-lock your pride and joy (fluke or otherwise) because you didn't have one you'll be kicking yourself.
If you come up north in future you could find yourself stuck needing one without and you're just that: stuck.
If you think of it like a bullbar for your engine you're in the right mindset. No one expects or plans to drown their four by but it happens. Why not spend the extra 200 bucks?

Other than that sounds like you're getting an awesome deefer

[rar110]

I would get a full length Hannibal or similar rack.

[MLD]

My list:

rear e-locker + axles & flanges = $1600 for locker, $800 for axles/flanges, $400 labour: total $2,800

ARB winch bar = $1450 fitted or $1300 self fit

Winch = $750 ish.

5k on the nose.

The above package with the muddies you have will get up and down most tracks bar the extreme stuff and if you get into trouble you winch out.

When money comes in I'd fit 255/85 MT and if you want more traction fit a front ATB which will work well with the TC ($750 for ATB incl new journal bearings + $400 in labour).

I agree with the snorkel but I'd go the big ticket items from the 5k before small items like the snorkel. Big ticket items are harder to justify and sell to the wife so get them when the explanation is "it's not coming from the family budget". The reality is you will start with a pot of 5k but by no means finish when the 5k is exhausted. Not one person on this forum has bought a defender and left it untouched in standard format for their ownership. There is always customisation.

As for items like roof racks etc, better value to pick something up second hand. As for draws, live with the truck for a few trips and see what are your needs. You might find it works for you in standard trim or a low tech solution is all that is required.

If you go the locker make sure LR will honour the warranty. RVR110 (John) has a new Puma with lockers. I don't know the deal he struck with regards to warranty.

MLD

[turbo6i]

Got it! :)

[specwarop]

Its just the perspective, but totally looks lowered in that photo haha

[turbo6i]

Its just the perspective, but totally looks lowered in that photo haha

Just as i've decided not to lift it... !!!

[Gerokent]

Nice.
Wish mine still looked as good. But after many hard miles, a rollover, a couple of roo strikes (no bar work!), it's still the best, just not quite straight anymore
Enjoy :)

[ProjectDirector]

Got it! :)

Looking great, congrats.
Now paint the flares and front grill gloss black and it will look even better.

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[flagg]

You really do need to go through seriously deep water to need a snorkel. The bottom of the air-intake is 900 mm off the ground. At that depth you have water on the floor of the vehicle (600 mm) and in the back (750 mm). At 900 mm you are getting water in the driver's seat box which is full of sensitive electronic gizmos. At depths greater than 600 mm flotation starts to be an issue (until the vehicle fills up with water). You will get water surging over the bonnet at even moderate speeds at even moderate water depths.

You need to be very mindful that if your vehicle is under warranty, then any damage from water crossings greater than 500 mm depth (official maximum wading depth) will likely not be covered, snorkel fitted or not.

I might add that I have an OEM raised air intake (they are made by Mantec), one of Nugget's connection kits, and have moved the electronics from under the drivers seat to a Mulgo X-box. Did I really need these mods? Probably not.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

While you are right, keep in mind also that even driving through a river that is 500mm deep you get a bow wave, and up river is on the right, you are bouncing a little on rocks you will be getting splashes into the intake.

..and it only takes one person to dig a wheel hole that you drop your front wheel in and *gulp* water.



No discredit to Nugget, however, ... would a trip to Clark Rubber and a few Clamps would do the trick?


(While I don't have a puma) From what I've seen, sadly no. The air box itself doesn't seal - so even if you fit a snorkle you can drown it. Nugget's mod actually seals the airbox itself properly. You could do this yourself of course, but you may as well pick one up when you get your diff breather block ;)

His website is nugget stuff home (http://www.nuggetstuff.com).

As a rule, I don't like driving in water (it makes a mess and wrecks everything) but i've ended up having to drive through very deep water without much notice. I've had water half way up the windscreen (up to the bottom of the windows without the bow wave) and I wasn't floating. (with a 2" lift).

.. I took the kayak home :D

[dullbird]

Looking great, congrats.
Now paint the flares and front grill gloss black and it will look even better.

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I prefer the grey:)

I hate that mine will be coming with black grill surrounds have to tee up with someone who wants to change to black in a few months maybe:D

[turbo6i]

Ive seen Sozos's car in the flesh and it looks sweet.,.. however, ... i also like mine all grey.. looks modern.
Will be keeping the grey guards and light surrounds.... !

[turbo6i]

Will be fitting ARB bar and winch this weekend.

[turbo6i]

anyone want to help? :-) west melbourne

[specwarop]

What is involved in fitting an ARB bar, just unbolt bumper, bolt on bullbar? Or is some cutting or welding involved?

[noyakfat]

I prefer the grey:)

I hate that mine will be coming with black grill surrounds have to tee up with someone who wants to change to black in a few months maybe:D

My 110 will be here in Canberra late March, with grey (Brunei) grill and surrounds, and I would LOVE to swap for black...

Will keep you in the loop, Dullbird.

Cheers,

PS - sorry to OP for brief hijack... your rig looks great :)

[DieselDan]

I chose Ritter as my finance option, and 5K went their way. I can spend it on what ever is required............ Sorry for sounding like i'm bragging...... :-) :twisted:



....

Gday turbo6,

Nice looking deefer!
I'm trying to sort out doing exactly the same thing as you regards to finance/novated lease.

When you say you chose Ritter as your finance option, do you you mean you got the finance through them, or talked your finance company into using Ritter to put the $5k of goodies on??

Trying to decide (and decide quickly going by the spate of the other threads on when to order a new one!) the best way of organising it.