Disco 1 rims for Defender Question

[ProjectDirector]

Hi


A friend had 3 :( Disco 1 steel 16x7 rims and handed them over to me as he had not need for them. See pictures


Question is, can I put 265/75 mud tyres on these without any issues on defender regards to touching?
The other question is, if yes to above question, I will need to find one more of these rims to make a set of 4. Any recommendations where would the best place be to look for one or two.


BTW there is a print on the rim 16x7J H2x33 if that helps

[87County]

They should fit fine, that's what we use up here.

See if the tyres rub on the chassis on full lock either way - if this bothers you adjust the steering stops.

[ProjectDirector]

In terms of the steering stop I was told by the LR technician in Melbourne that he adjusts all new defenders to increase turning circle. So I suspect it is already adjusted.

[87County]

In terms of the steering stop I was told by the LR technician in Melbourne that he adjusts all new defenders to increase turning circle. So I suspect it is already adjusted.

if you fit wheels with what may be a different offset. you may have to just check

[ProjectDirector]

On the rim it has x33 stamped, would that be the offset and would that be enough?

[Dopey]

As far as I can remember, the rims are a positive offset, many years since I have had some of these rims though.
Many years ago I had the centres cut out and flipped and re welded and balanced, creating a rim with roughly -33 offset.
I believe that other forum members have also done this to these rims too.
Going to a 265/75 from the standard 235/75 gives you roughly an increase in overall tyre height of 45mm and and increase in width of roughly 40mm, so your steering cannot be adjusted quite as sharp as with the standard 235/75s.
Getting the centres flipped or rims with a neutral or negative offset would probably be the best thing for increasing the steering capability.
Regards,
Mike.

P.s.
I think the standard defender 90/110 rims are also a +33 offset, and the sawtooths are a +20 offset.
Dynamic rims sell neutral and negative offset rims for defenders.

Just read Rijidij's reply, he is correct, I stuffed my measurements up..... Flipping the centres brings the wheels to a neutral (0) offset, rather that a negative (-33)as I quoted.

[ProjectDirector]

Mmmm, maybe I should put them out on hard rubbish collection

[rijidij]

In terms of the steering stop I was told by the LR technician in Melbourne that he adjusts all new defenders to increase turning circle. So I suspect it is already adjusted.

Adjusting for a tighter turning circle would make things worse with 265's on standard D1 rims, they would definitely rub on the radius arms.
It's a common mod to change the offset of the D1 rims to zero when fitting bigger tyres to a Defender/County.

Don't put them out for hard rubbish if you don't end up using them, I'm looking for some to complete a set, as I'm sure others are.

Cheers, Murray

[ProjectDirector]

Adjusting for a tighter turning circle would make things worse with 265's on standard D1 rims, they would definitely rub on the radius arms.

It's a common mod to change the offset of the D1 rims to zero when fitting bigger tyres to a Defender/County.



Don't put them out for hard rubbish if you don't end up using them, I'm looking for some to complete a set, as I'm sure others are.



Cheers, Murray


I won't be throwing out, I was just kidding. I only have three at this stage and I will be looking foe another.

[dromader driver]

Watch the disco rim load rating as I recall they are not strong enough for a fully loaded defender. I had considered this myself but needed the full load rating.

Troll back through some of the previous posts on here. :(

[ProjectDirector]

Watch the disco rim load rating as I recall they are not strong enough for a fully loaded defender. I had considered this myself but needed the full load rating.



Troll back through some of the previous posts on here. :(


Thanks for heads up, I will do some search.
I had another post asking if I can put 265s in my sawtooths but I ended up with these rims for nothing.
I suppose I can wait until I wear out the new tyres and then work out what replace with or when extra cash comes thru I can buy extra set of rims that are suitable for the defender
Cheers

[87County]

D1 wheels give the convenience of tyre shops fitting tubeless tyres without argument.

I can't see that they'd not be rated high enough for any practical use and we have them on 5 vehicles in the family and it is quite a common alternative.

maybe something in these threads for you


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/61752-rim-wheel-load-ratings.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/149888-defender-rims.html

[ProjectDirector]

D1 wheels give the convenience of tyre shops fitting tubeless tyres without argument.

I can't see that they'd not be rated high enough for any practical use and we have them on 5 vehicles in the family and it is quite a common alternative.

maybe something in these threads for you


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/61752-rim-wheel-load-ratings.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/149888-defender-rims.html

Thanks, I just checked these threads and yes these rims are rated 1600kg which is fine.
What I am trying to find is if I put 265s on these rims would there be any contact with chassis or elsewhere.

[87County]

Thanks, I just checked these threads and yes these rims are rated 1600kg which is fine.
What I am trying to find is if I put 265s on these rims would there be any contact with chassis or elsewhere.

I may not have fully explained before (post #2 above), but if the stops are set to allow for standard (235/85 16), you may have some contact with the front tyres on the chassis at full lock, if this is a concern it is a simple matter to adjust the stops. Check and adjust after you get the new tyres on (if they're going to rub you'll hear it when moving slowly on full lock).

[ProjectDirector]

I may not have fully explained before (post #2 above), but if the stops are set to allow for standard (235/85 16), you may have some contact with the front tyres on the chassis at full lock, if this is a concern it is a simple matter to adjust the stops. Check and adjust after you get the new tyres on.


Great advice thank you. I am still a novice with the landrovers, but thanks to you guys am picking a lot of knowledge.

[n plus one]

33mm positive offset wheels will rub on the radius arms and rear spring towers with 265/75/16 muddies.

You might just clear with your 20mm positive offset Sawtooths.

PS I don't think Disco 1 rims are 1600kg load rated?

[ProjectDirector]

33mm positive offset wheels will rub on the radius arms and rear spring towers with 265/75/16 muddies.



You might just clear with your 20mm positive offset Sawtooths.



PS I don't think Disco 1 rims are 1600kg load rated?


Sounds like if I go for 265s I will need new rims. If that is the case what rims will be suitable?

[schuy1]

Oki, I checked my old standard deefer 110 rims (1996 TDi c/chassis ) and there is no load rating marked on them. The replacement rims I have ( 16x7 sunraysia type by Gecko) are stamped 1250KGs. I still have the original spare tyre from it, ( Michelin 4x4 ) and it is marked -Max load single 2240Lbs Max load dual 1960Lbs @ 65psi .The replacement tyres I have on the 16x7 rims (TerraTrac A/W LT 12ply rating) are marked as Max load single 1380kg @80psi
Given that the originals were 1t rated tyres I think a rim would not have to exceed the tyres to be oki. I suspect a D1 rims would be around the same rating as a defenders given the loading and towing capacity of both are similar. the D1 load is down because the vehicle is heavier to begin with but the towing is the same.
Cheers Scott

PS should say that of course a 130 will be heavier rated natuarlly. D1 rims or 110 rims are a no no on them . No ifs or buts.

[87County]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words....

(I hope this settles the talk about offset rims - but I guess it won't :cool:)

the following vehicles all have unaltered D1 rims

NO OFFSET CHANGE and all with no probs after stops adjusted appropriately

Defender with 235/85 16s

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/522.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/LR110_zps77ca2430.jpg.html)


LR 110 (County) with 265/75 16s

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/523.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/LRCounty_zps2261df7b.jpg.html)


LR 110 (Perentie) with 255/85 16s

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/06/1444.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/LRs2005_zpsd5b6efb5.jpg.html)

[ProjectDirector]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words....



(I hope this settles the talk about offset rims - but I guess it won't :cool:)



the following vehicles all have unaltered D1 rims



NO OFFSET CHANGE and all with no probs after stops adjusted appropriately



Defender with 235/85 16s



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/522.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/LR110_zps77ca2430.jpg.html)





LR 110 (County) with 265/75 16s



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/523.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/LRCounty_zps2261df7b.jpg.html)





LR 110 (Perentie) with 255/85 16s



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/06/1444.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/LRs2005_zpsd5b6efb5.jpg.html)


Totally agree photos speak for themselves. I say the parentie with the 255s looks a lot better, no rubbing issues with that?

[87County]

Totally agree photos speak for themselves. I say the parentie with the 255s looks a lot better, no rubbing issues with that?

as stated above - no

the exhaust on the perentie was of course modified at the time of turbo installation and an allowance was made to clear the larger tyres at the lhs rear

However - you need to be aware that the gearing with 255/85 16s becomes a little too high for a standard Defender with a 300tdi & R380

[ProjectDirector]

as stated above - no



the exhaust on the perentie was of course modified at the time of turbo installation and an allowance was made to clear the larger tyres at the lhs rear



However - you need to be aware that the gearing with 255/85 16s becomes a little too high for a standard Defender with a 300tdi & R380


Thank you for heads up

[rover-56]

Watch the disco rim load rating as I recall they are not strong enough for a fully loaded defender. I had considered this myself but needed the full load rating.
:(

I often hear that D1 steel rims are not load rated for a Defender and a definite no-no for a 130.
Now I have here a D1 steel rim and a 130 steel rim.

Both have a centre metal thickness of 8 mm
Both have a rim metal thickness of 3.5 mm
Both have rims welded to centres with 4 spaced runs of weld 140mm long.

So why is the rating supposedly different?

What am I missing here? Steel spec.?

Anyone?

Terry

[87County]

I often hear that D1 steel rims are not load rated for a Defender and a definite no-no for a 130.

.............

So why is the rating supposedly different?

.............

Terry

I suspect that it is mainly because when the manufacturer made them, they were originally made for a different (lighter) motor car, and they were specified as sufficient for that motor car ?

[87County]

I often hear that D1 steel rims are not load rated for a Defender and a definite no-no for a 130.

.............

So why is the rating supposedly different?

.............

Terry

I suspect that it is mainly because when the manufacturer made them, they were origianally made for a different (lighter) motor car (the D1).

Thre are thousands on Rangies, Counties, Deefers and Pretendies anyway