Puma power??

[squidsd1]

Spoke to a guy with a 2.2puma powered ford ranger and he wasnt happy with it felt under powered. What are the puma guys opinions I'm yet to test drive one as I know I'll buy a defender shortly after and after that I'll be broke and divorced .
But seriously are they under powered has any one had experience with chip and exhaust mods ?

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[POD]

Isn't the 2.2 supposed to be more powerful than the 2.4? I don't find my bog-standard 2.4l 130 to be under-powered. I suppose it's a matter of what you want from it. If I'd wanted a racing car I wouldn't have bought a Defender. Being a small motor with a turbo, it doesn't have heaps of power straight off idle, but the 6-speed box means you can drive it in an RPM range that produces good power.

[squidsd1]

The
2.4 130is exactly what I want but havnt test drove one yet . What is your fuel range and consumption? Would u consider power chips etc any issues so far?
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[BilboBoggles]

I traded a 2.4 on a 2.2. Power output is nearly the same, but the 2.2 is much smoother.

By defender standards the 2.2 flies. But depending what you compare it to it will be under powered or over powered. It's all in the comparison.

The 2.2 feels nice to drive - and has sufficient power for just about any situation except perhaps drag racing. But then you'd buy a different car for that. The power is more than sufficient for off roading etc.

[POD]

The
2.4 130is exactly what I want but havnt test drove one yet . What is your fuel range and consumption? Would u consider power chips etc any issues so far?
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Fuel consumption is about 9 km per litre, was getting close to 10 but having the roof rack on has knocked it a bit. I think my Long-Ranger tank is 120 litre, but the warning light comes on at 95-100l, must drain it one day and see how much reserve i have. I'm happy with the power, have spent money on driveline upgrades (diif locks, axles & CVs, double-cardan front shaft), better spent than trying to make a racing car out of it IMO. Only issue I have had was check-engine lamp coming on frequently, haven't seen it since replacing the MAP sensor 13,000km ago.

[Sandgroper]

I reckon the 2.2 is fine, I can keep up with the flow of traffic quite comfortably, can sit on 110 on the open road and it's geared really well for off-roading as well. What more could you want from a defender, I think it's great!

[c.h.i.e.f]

All defenders are underpowered for the size of the vehicle but I don't mind me 2.2 it is fairly nice to drive however the computer is a pain at times as it has a bad delay and holds revs at certain rpm's....the fuel economy on mine isn't to crash hot however I do have 285's,roof basket and a steel tray...I do not have a tune as of yet I do have a straight threw exhaust which made a tad of difference

[lightwing]

I had my 09 Puma chipped by Bruce Davis in Sydney. Goes really well and gets good fuel consumption. 10k per liter most of the time. I have had better under ideal conditions.
As for performance I couldn't ask for more I am very pleased with it. 110-130 on the freeway is no problem and overtaking is no problem.
Before the chip remap it was pretty good, now it's very good

[voltron]

If you compare it to any 3 liter toyota or 3.2 liter Ford then it's got nothing on those 2 motors. But it's not underpowered for what it's meant for. I always wish I had more power but that doesn't mean I'm not happy with the 2.2. It just means I'm greedy.

[carlosbeldia]

Ford Ranger feels really underpowered with the 2.2, it feels like the 100 hp version of the 2.5 liters Hilux, you can wait an eternity to feel how it responds. In part its due to a "longer" gearbox ratios and other part because you hope to feel more grunt from an updated pick up.

The Defender is a different car, more a commercial truck than a daily commuter. Here in Colombia is a common step to use the 3.5 and 5.0 Isuzu diesel in Chevrolet Silverado (originally powered by Chevy 350) trucks. Believe me, they feel heavily underpowered, that response is not what you expect from that car. Once you put those engines in a Defender or in a commercial truck, you think they can make the world collapse using their torque figures.

[n plus one]

They're not a powerhouse standard, but they're not a slug either. They start to feel a bit under gunned when you load them up with accessories and gear - which is when a remap etc comes in handy.

My 2.4l usually runs at GVM and with a remap/intercooler/exhaust mods goes about the same as my mates similarly loaded (but stock engined) V8 70 series LC. I think that's pretty decent in the scheme of things, but when my engine is finally due for a rebuild I'll go a 3.2l Ranger or a 6.6l Duramax conversion.

[4wheeler]

I had a 2.4 litre Defender and have a 2.4 litre Transit van for work. My 4x4 is now a 3.2 Ford powered BT 50. I know, it is no Defender and I still miss it.


My 3.2 BT 50 feels like a slug until it gets up to speed. May be the 2.2 Ranger feels the same. Although the 3.2 supposedly has heaps of torque, it is not evident low down although I don't thrash it. On up hill starts it easily gets left behind until it winds up then I am back in the game. For me the driving experience is different to the advertising hype. My Transit van seems to fly in comparison, but the 3.2 will just keep spinning up. In the N.T last year it easily got to the 130 km/h speed limit. I don't know what it would top out at. I never felt that the 2.4 Defender lacked get up and go, but beyond 130 - I don't think so.


Given that the Defender and BT 50 have the MT82 six speed manual (Defender and BT 50 ratios the same and not sure about transfer ratio) and weigh much the same, there seems to be a difference in the ECU mapping as I never found the Defender slow as such. The Transit has an MT82 as well but the final drive ratio is different (I believe) therefore can't compare directly. The Transit drives completely differently to the others and is very difficult to drive in traffic as it is easily stalled. Go to accelerate away and it just stops unless you feather the clutch. Others who I have spoken to who drive 2.4 Transits have the same problem. Hence my feeling is ECU mapping plays a major role in how these trucks behave.


I haven't had the BT on the tracks much but I suspect it won't be as capable as the Defender is out of the box.


The Latest Spring issue of Land Rover International suggests a new Defender in 2019. I hope LR don't muck it up. If they don't, then they can put me on the list of purchasers.