Time to phone a friend....D4 Aux diesel tank.

[samandfee]

Ok Guys....after much perusing.......D4 aux diesel tank.... do i go gravity feed or Elec pump......i am in a quandary........Hmmmmmm
Cheers:confused:

[discotwinturbo]

Ok Guys....after much perusing.......D4 aux diesel tank.... do i go gravity feed or Elec pump......i am in a quandary........Hmmmmmm Cheers:confused:

I am happy with my gravity feed.

A search of Exploroz and other forums do talk about transfer pump failures.

I had a transfer pump fail on the CSR a few years back. Managed to get it fixed, but a couple of hours at the end of the day working on the tank and pump was not my idea of fun....plus took some time to get the diesel smell off my arms.

Brett......

[AnD3rew]

I have electric pump. Have to admit I have had to replace one pump in the two years I have had it, it was a leak and not a failure of the pump.

Having said that I like the control it gives you and you know exactly how much you have in your main tank and it has a gauge (not very accurate but you get to know what it means) for the aux pump so you can manage your fuel well. My understanding for the gravity one is that you main tank shows full until the aux is empty and then starts to go down.

I keep a cheap hand pump with a long bit of hose on each end in the car for an emergency in case of a failure. It would be huge PITA to transfer any quantity of fuel this way, but hopefully it would be enough to get out of strife.

[lrdef110]

I have gravity feed and was originally concerned about knowing how much fuel I had, but the rear tank feeds to the main tank so as soon as the fuel gauge starts moving I know that I only have the main tank left. Works for me without the hassle of having to transfer fuel. Mate has a transfer pump and keeps on forgetting to turn the pump off if he is transferring fuel while travelling. I think you will get preferences both ways.

Cheers

[go-disco4]

I have a Long Ranger Tank with a facet pump for 3 years now

Done many river crossings, muddy bogs, Vic high country, desert etc without any problems.

I carry a spare facet pump and an emergency siphon hose but never had to use them.

You do forget to turn it off, but the there is a common filler hub for the 2 tanks, so it simply drains back into aux tank when the main one is full.

You might run the battery flat if you forget to turn it off for too long :(
You hear the....tick tick ...sound of the pump once you turn the engine off when you are outside.

You do not hear it inside, soft noise.

I like the idea of knowing how much fuel I have left

regards

GD-4

[AnD3rew]

I have a Long Ranger Tank with a facet pump for 3 years now

Done many river crossings, muddy bogs, Vic high country, desert etc without any problems.

I carry a spare facet pump and an emergency siphon hose but never had to use them.

You do forget to turn it off, but the there is a common filler hub for the 2 tanks, so it simply drains back into aux tank when the main one is full.

You might run the battery flat if you forget to turn it off for too long :(
You hear the....tick tick ...sound of the pump once you turn the engine off when you are outside.

You do not hear it inside, soft noise.

I like the idea of knowing how much fuel I have left

regards

GD-4

Mine is connected so it only runs when the ignition is turned on so it won't flatten the battery or keep running if (when) you forget to turn it off.

[Graeme]

I have a Long Ranger Tank with a facet pump for 3 years nowIs the pump accessible enough to replace? I'm tossing up between LRA and Long Ranger. The Long Ranger's pump looks difficult to access and has a tiny filter.

[~Rich~]

Is the pump accessible enough to replace? I'm tossing up between LRA and Long Ranger. The Long Ranger's pump looks difficult to access and has a tiny filter.

I've got the Brown Davis, fitted myself with less than perfect fitting instructions. ;)
It has a pump too, not an issue since fitting.

I'm not sure about the other brands but I have to remove to inner rear drivers side guard to get to the pump.

[Geedublya]

I had the Long Ranger (105l and electric transfer pump) on my D3 and now I have the Outback Accessories (92l and gravity) on my D4.

The Long Ranger was totally reliable when I had it and the gauge is nice. Forgetting to turn the pump off was annoying.

The Outback tank is a little smaller however it hasn't been a problem even with the V8, I think the transfer hose is a little exposed and would like to make a better guard. For me only having the gauge on the main tank is not really an issue as I reset trip A every time I fill up also my scanguage gives me an accurate distance to empty. The cars distance to empty is no longer accurate.

The big advantage with the outback tank for me is cost and peace of mind, there is only one filler so it doesn't confuse people unfamiliar with the set up and there are no pumps or filters to fail. The tank was $600 cheaper than the others.

[Graeme]

My indecision is due to not currently having a specific need although I'm sure that any of the tanks would be quite useful. The gravity feed single fill would be better suited to my everyday use whereas a larger capacity segregated tank better for remote area travel, not that I've done any in the D4 yet.

IIRC the $600 savings for the OL tank was for a fitted tank whereas because I would fit one myself, the cost differences are only half that. As I intend to keep my D4 for a long time, the extra cost is not a consideration.

[Redback]

I have the Outback gravity feed 92l tank also, never been a problem, fit and forget(well till you fill up$$$$;))

Baz.

[lrdef110]

Another advantage of the gravity fill tank is that you are always reducing the weight rearwards of the back axle first.

Cheers

[go-disco4]

http://C:\Users\wc\Desktop\AULRO Facet pump pic

The pump is located at the back of the tank and is accessible

GD-4

[Tombie]

I have a Long Ranger.

Benefits:
Distance to empty is accurate - can be critical out there.
I use the aux when taking on remote fuel... Then transfer - it then gets filtered again into main tank.
Failure - if a tank fails I lose a tank of fuel.
If the main is holed, I can fix then pump across, if the main fails on gravity system your vehicle is empty.

[Redback]

I have a Long Ranger.

Benefits:
Distance to empty is accurate - can be critical out there.
I use the aux when taking on remote fuel... Then transfer - it then gets filtered again into main tank.
Failure - if a tank fails I lose a tank of fuel.
If the main is holed, I can fix then pump across, if the main fails on gravity system your vehicle is empty.

Yes, but if the pump fails, both have the good points and bad.

Baz.

[rar110]

Yes, but if the pump fails, both have the good points and bad. Baz.

Could you connect a compressor (even an air mattress pump) up to the aux tank breather, and block the filler tube with a rag, to use air to push fuel to main tank? This could be a work around if fuel is needed before it's fixed.

A dead fuel pump would seem unlikely given it only gets used for transfers. Most fuel pumps endure continuos use. The problem is more likely to be a bad electrical connection which could be fixed.

[Tombie]

Yes, or drain and transfer.

Early tanks had pump failures which the guys up there sorted by changing from the non-genuine Facet style unit to a Genuine Facet pump - which is also the newer, encapsulated version which is better sealed.

I know this because, ironically, my original supplied pump failed during testing after I installed the tank.

A quick call to LRanger and the guy asked how long I had had the tank (2 months before I got to installing it)
They had already changed to the new unit in that time due to a few failures, so air bagged me a replacement.
Took 5 minutes to swap out.

RAR110 - yes, compressor transfer would work. I keep a length of hose in the back for if I had to bridge across the pump.

[Rocket00]

I have fitted the Outback tank to my D4. We had some initial problems with seepage from the main pipe which was fixed by Opposite Lock. I am happy with the final fit and the simplicity of use (no additional pump or wiring to the cabin, hence less to go wrong).

I do get a bit of "blow back" when getting near full at the diesel pump but I am lead to believe this is a common issue with all Aux Tanks.

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Photo above shows the view from the rear (wopuldnt even know it was there):o

Regards
Rod

[stray dingo]

I went with the Dolium tank, really because it had the pump (and I couldn't afford a Long Ranger). In hindsight, it probably doesn't really make much difference to me. Next time, probably go with Outback Accessories for the larger capacity and be fine with gravity.

Access to it is possible, but possibly a little awkward if needing to work on it, but could certainly access the fuel lines to drain if required.

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[AnD3rew]

I don't get any blowback from my Long Ranger.


I have fitted the Outback tank to my D4. We had some initial problems with seepage from the main pipe which was fixed by Opposite Lock. I am happy with the final fit and the simplicity of use (no additional pump or wiring to the cabin, hence less to go wrong).

I do get a bit of "blow back" when getting near full at the diesel pump but I am lead to believe this is a common issue with all Aux Tanks.

imagejpg4_zps3b2117ef.jpg Photo by rodtay00 | Photobucket (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/rodtay00/media/imagejpg4_zps3b2117ef.jpg.html)

Photo above shows the view from the rear (wopuldnt even know it was there):o

Regards
Rod

[discotwinturbo]

No blow back on my OL gravity feed tank either.

Brett.....

[captcam68]

Can't help having a bit of a snigger at all the above, I have a long ranger tank fitted with an electric off the shelf pump, and when I do a long journey where the aux tank is required I pack a second brand new transfer pump ready to swap over if required ( 20 mins) part of your spare parts kit. The whole car is based around electrics/ computers etc so if your comfortable taking a modern Discovery thru the Simpson don't let an electric fuel pump become an issue, easily sorted. Haven't had a problem with mine but still carry a spare.... Remember Murphy ! :)

[crawal]

With Big red having an aux tank which has the electric transfer i would not have thought about an other means of transferring fuel if the pump died
thanks guys

[samandfee]

Thanks Guys.... 50/50 i would say, very helpful views.
Cheers

Sam