Hello from BadCo. and Hank (ARN 48 369)

[BadCo.]

Hello everyone, I have been lurking around this forum since I spotted Hank two weeks ago on TradeMe and wanted to find out more about him. I know this is an Aus site and I'm from NZ, but it has such a wealth of information and knowledge that can't be found in NZ, same with REMLR.

After finally purchasing him and picking him up on Friday night, registered Saturday morning, and out for a drive this morning, here I am.

Hank is a little rough around the edges, paint is faded and most rubber bits are deteriorated, he is noisy, vibrates a lot at idle and leaks in places I haven't found yet, but he is SO AWESOME! I LOVE THIS TRUCK!

Hank before I bought him. (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U-fPIu-lVkM/U7jH7DGV8RI/AAAAAAAABQQ/KegaCQJeocI/w694-h521-no/IMG_20140628_114545.jpg)

Hank on Muriwai Beach (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9UVpv8Mz8lI/U7jH7N81mWI/AAAAAAAABQQ/g4jYJtMVxvA/w694-h521-no/IMG_20140706_115941.jpg)

Hank with a friend, on the beach. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mLWKq_PTUMU/U7jH7F9OxBI/AAAAAAAABQQ/pTwoF_glPY0/w694-h521-no/IMG_20140706_120000.jpg)

So the story goes, Greys brought Hank over (with a few soft tops) to New Zealand in January, and Auctioned them off in February. Supposedly they didn't sell well and they aren't going to do it again (feel free to add details or fill in the Gaps).

So essentially, I have the only hard top Aus-Army GS Perentie in the Country, for the foreseeable future :D

A few things I would like to do with Hank are:

-Find the Jerry cans, pick axe head, fire extinguisher, headrest and a few other things missing.
-Bigger wheels
-Standard tow ball
-Maybe power steering if the bigger wheels are too hard to turn
-Winch, probably electric, PTOs seem to be pricey and hard to come by.
-Turbo (way down the road)
-Unfortunately part of the agreement of procuring Hank is that he has to be painted black :( (hopefully I can at least talk her around to Olive Drab, if not, Matt Black)

Did I miss anything?


-BadCo.

[Mick_Marsh]

Welcome to the forum.
You have a treasure that many here would love to own.
Pop on over to REMLR and say gidday there.

[BadCo.]

Welcome to the forum.
You have a treasure that many here would love to own.
Pop on over to REMLR and say gidday there.

Have done now, a little cheap copy and past but oh well.

[Judo]

Welcome and a great looking vehicle! I'm a little jealous. :)

[AIF]

G'day, can you please explain the "arrangement" they made you sign that you have to have Hank black and cannot keep him camo?
Is this due to the NZ army having similar vehicles?
Cheers AIF.

[Mick_Marsh]

G'day, can you please explain the "arrangement" they made you sign that you have to have Hank black and cannot keep him camo?
Is this due to the NZ army having similar vehicles?
Cheers AIF.
I think you may find "the arrangement" is with a higher authority.

[303gunner]

I think you may find "the arrangement" is with a higher authority.
Are the All Blacks more important than the NZ Army? :p


PS Love the number plate!

[BadCo.]

G'day, can you please explain the "arrangement" they made you sign that you have to have Hank black and cannot keep him camo?
Is this due to the NZ army having similar vehicles?
Cheers AIF.

Mick Marsh was correct, higher Authority indeed. One word. Fiance.


Are the All Blacks more important than the NZ Army? :p


PS Love the number plate!

Unfortunately I hate rugby and the All Blacks with a passion, but that is a discussion for another thread.

And yeah, the number plate is neat. I'll have to get me a Lee Enfield mounted on the back window haha.

[AIF]

Just back from the loo from throwing up. Can't believe one of the only 38 made is being turned into an "all black" to apppease a missus.
You could have bought a county for that. But after all it is yours and in 20yrs time if it's still alive some collector may find and restore it. Good luck and enjoy Hank.

[Mick_Marsh]

Paint it Olive Drab. Restore it to "As Delivered".

[rathgar]

What other things were done, changed, altered after "delivery" to the vehicles?

[Dervish]

Paint it Olive Drab. Restore it to "As Delivered".

Photos for inspiration:

Land Rover - 110 - 4X4 Personnel Carrier Hard Top Wagon 9/1988 Auction (0024-5007444) | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0024-5007444/auto-accessories/land-rover-110-4x4-personnel-carrier-hard-top-wagon-9-1988)

[Judo]

If it's a choice of olive drab and black, I'm siding with the higher authority!

[isuzurover]

Just back from the loo from throwing up. Can't believe one of the only 38 made is being turned into an "all black" to apppease a missus.
You could have bought a county for that. But after all it is yours and in 20yrs time if it's still alive some collector may find and restore it. Good luck and enjoy Hank.

Great way to welcome a new member.

[AIF]

Well I did say G'day in the previous post but yes I do belong in REMLR.

[BadCo.]

Just back from the loo from throwing up. Can't believe one of the only 38 made is being turned into an "all black" to apppease a missus.
You could have bought a county for that. But after all it is yours and in 20yrs time if it's still alive some collector may find and restore it. Good luck and enjoy Hank.

38? I thought there was a thousand of these built?


Paint it Olive Drab. Restore it to "As Delivered".

I would love to paint it olive drab!

[Dougal]

If you are ever forced to sell this, I want first dibs.:cool:

[Mick_Marsh]

38? I thought there was a thousand of these built?
38 of that variant.
Now you know what a rare beastie you have.
Does it have o/s service history?

[BadCo.]

If you are ever forced to sell this, I want first dibs.:cool:

Never!

Hey Dougal where are you in NZ? It was on TradeMe for a few months, and I was the only one who test drove it.


38 of that variant.
Now you know what a rare beastie you have.
Does it have o/s service history?

Wow really? Sorry for my noobness but how do you know this one is one of the 38?

Still trying to get my hands on the log book, it may not have come with one.

Anyone have recommendations for insurance amounts?

[Dougal]

Never!

Hey Dougal where are you in NZ? It was on TradeMe for a few months, and I was the only one who test drove it.

Other end of the country, We got the lowest national high today. I have no idea why they thought they could sell them in Auckland. If they'd shipped a dozen to Queenstown and put them on display outside the airport they'd be gone by lunch-time.

I didn't even see it come up on TM. Must have been working too hard. One of my businesses is MTB suspension and this would (after adding creature comforts, the Isuzu 5sp gearbox out my Rangie, turbo etc) be an ideal work wagon.
I had only recently given up on the idea due to the low numbers and grabbed a 300tdi rangie to fill the same role.

How's the kit-out of your one? Got heater and AC or neither?

[BadCo.]

Other end of the country, We got the lowest national high today. I have no idea why they thought they could sell them in Auckland. If they'd shipped a dozen to Queenstown and put them on display outside the airport they'd be gone by lunch-time.

I didn't even see it come up on TM. Must have been working too hard. One of my businesses is MTB suspension and this would (after adding creature comforts, the Isuzu 5sp gearbox out my Rangie, turbo etc) be an ideal work wagon.
I had only recently given up on the idea due to the low numbers and grabbed a 300tdi rangie to fill the same role.

How's the kit-out of your one? Got heater and AC or neither?

What MTB suspension?

It has only a heater fan, no AC or power steering. Top comfortable speed is 95 with the 4 speed.

[Dougal]

What MTB suspension?

It has only a heater fan, no AC or power steering. Top comfortable speed is 95 with the 4 speed.

Yep. It would have been a Shockcraft shuttle wagon.

I've got a rangie with the 4BD1T and Isuzu 5 speed gearbox. The now shelved plan was to get a 6 speed to shoe-horn into the rangie and shuffle the rangie gearbox (already setup for long-stick lever) over to the perentie.
Then turbo, sound insulation, AC, better heater etc.

Good thing I didn't find one really. I really don't need another project.

[AIF]

Here is the link to the post on the 38.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/200152-educate-me-please-9-seaters.html

If the link dosen't work the post is in the coil spring Perenti page. Same page as this one.

[isuzurover]

Yep. It would have been a Shockcraft shuttle wagon.
...

OT: So what is the special AULRO discount on the BBs?

[AIF]

What MTB suspension?

It has only a heater fan, no AC or power steering. Top comfortable speed is 95 with the 4 speed.


My 9 seater loves to sit on 110km/h. I have to hold back the reigns to keep her under 100! And she dosen't like 80km/h.

[BadCo.]

Yep. It would have been a Shockcraft shuttle wagon.

I've got a rangie with the 4BD1T and Isuzu 5 speed gearbox. The now shelved plan was to get a 6 speed to shoe-horn into the rangie and shuffle the rangie gearbox (already setup for long-stick lever) over to the perentie.
Then turbo, sound insulation, AC, better heater etc.

Good thing I didn't find one really. I really don't need another project.

If you had made it to the auctions you might have picked it up for not much more then your budget!

OT still, never heard of shockcraft. Is it your own brand or one you distribute?


Here is the link to the post on the 38.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/200152-educate-me-please-9-seaters.html

If the link dosen't work the post is in the coil spring Perenti page. Same page as this one.

Thanks for the link, I have actually read that thread too just didn't realise that's what my truck was.

Now I'm in a pickle, I had so much planned for my truck and now I'm not sure if I should just restore it?


My 9 seater loves to sit on 110km/h. I have to hold back the reigns to keep her under 100! And she dosen't like 80km/h.

Sorry I meant comfortable for me, not keen on industrial deafness! Actually does yours have standard wheels? My truck is revving a lot at 100-110 and is very loud, is yours not?

[AIF]

Yes mine is bog stock from the Army. Original wheels and tyres.
Loud? Well if I could hear normally I would say it could be. But with my hearing I just call the sweet road noise my radio.:D

[Dougal]

OT: So what is the special AULRO discount on the BBs?

I'll hook you up. It's also quite good for Aussies as you don't pay NZ GST (15% cheaper) and your freight cost is only $2 more than within NZ.


If you had made it to the auctions you might have picked it up for not much more then your budget!

OT still, never heard of shockcraft. Is it your own brand or one you distribute?

Shockcraft is the company but we also brand some products as Shockcraft. We've been distributing Enduro bearings and seals along with IGUS bushings and Motorex fluids for about 8 years now. Bought in our own line of Monocrome BB's, bearings and bushings about 4 years ago. Recently took on staff and expanded into fork and some shock servicing.
Now the official NZ agent for Manitou.
We have dealt with just under half the bike shops in NZ and sell retail too.
Shockcraft Home Page (http://www.shockcraft.co.nz)

Budget keeps shrinking. The new clean workshop setup for servicing wasn't cheap, pricing up a new portable office right now.


Thanks for the link, I have actually read that thread too just didn't realise that's what my truck was.

Now I'm in a pickle, I had so much planned for my truck and now I'm not sure if I should just restore it?

Sorry I meant comfortable for me, not keen on industrial deafness! Actually does yours have standard wheels? My truck is revving a lot at 100-110 and is very loud, is yours not?

I think a functional build is far better than a true restoration. There's no point having rivet counting originality in a vehicle that never gets driven. I'd keep the camo, sort out the interior (incl sound proofing) and add a turbo.

Turbos do a huge job in quietening down diesels: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/isuzu-landy-enthusiasts-section/169564-4bd1t-turbo-sizing-performance-prediction.html

[isuzutoo-eh]

Now I'm in a pickle, I had so much planned for my truck and now I'm not sure if I should just restore it?




You paid for it, you do as you please with it. If a collector thought it was valuable enough they should have bought it before you did. Pony up or shut up. It makes the other 37 more valuable so those aleady with them should be happy!
I'm keeping my FFR mostly stock but that's my personal choice and nobody else can tell me what I can/can't modify...

[AIF]

Yes I agree, it's yours do what you want with it. I just wasn't sure you knew what it was in the first place.

[Paultan]

Hi mate. She certainly looks good. Sounds like you had a better run than me, I bought the FFR at the NZ Grays auction. Took 3 months to get registered but all good now. I work out at Westgate, so may see you around the traps, or at Muraiwai walking the dog!!

[Dougal]

I'd be keen to see any engine bay photos. Carjam says it's a 1988;) which was a year of significant change in the 4BD1 engines.

[BadCo.]

Hi mate. She certainly looks good. Sounds like you had a better run than me, I bought the FFR at the NZ Grays auction. Took 3 months to get registered but all good now. I work out at Westgate, so may see you around the traps, or at Muraiwai walking the dog!!

Oh nice! What took so long to get it complied? I'm in Ranui and frequent the west coast so probably will see you around.


I'd be keen to see any engine bay photos. Carjam says it's a 1988;) which was a year of significant change in the 4BD1 engines.

This can be arranged. Anything you want close ups on?

[Paultan]

Oh nice! What took so long to get it complied? I'm in Ranui and frequent the west coast so probably will see you around.

They insisted on me providing them with an original of the sale letter from the Aus Army to Frontline! But eventually they saw sense luckily.

[Dougal]

This can be arranged. Anything you want close ups on?

Cool, just either side of the engine.

[BadCo.]

They insisted on me providing them with an original of the sale letter from the Aus Army to Frontline! But eventually they saw sense luckily.

Well that is odd. Good thing you got it sorted. Do you know who got the panel van? I heard a navy guy bought two soft tops...


Cool, just either side of the engine.

Will do this tomorrow.

[BadCo.]

Cool, just either side of the engine.

Here you go. let me know if you need more.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280x200q90/743/67effe.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/743/67effe.jpg/)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280x200q90/674/092637.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/674/092637.jpg/)

Sorry they came out small. Imageshack are jews now.

EDIT: Hold on, try this
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Yj_19STAttQ/U8S7mexfmEI/AAAAAAAABVM/FbN4gJp7ZkE/w694-h521-no/IMG_20140715_165756.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8tboJnfnXV0/U8S7obTLc2I/AAAAAAAABVY/IB2ymJL35jA/w694-h521-no/IMG_20140715_165729.jpg

[Dougal]

Appreciated, thanks. That's a run of the mill 4BD1.

[BadCo.]

Appreciated, thanks. That's a run of the mill 4BD1.

As opposed too...? What are these significant changes you mentioned?

[Dougal]

As opposed too...? What are these significant changes you mentioned?

Some of the later engines were basically 4BD1T's without the turbo. Visually they have a different rocker cover and breather setup as the main clues. Also a blanking plate where the turbo drain would be and the intake manifold is slightly different.

[Mick_Marsh]

Some of the later engines were basically 4BD1T's without the turbo. Visually they have a different rocker cover and breather setup as the main clues. Also a blanking plate where the turbo drain would be and the intake manifold is slightly different.
Would they still have 4BD1 on the casting or are they a different casting with 4BD1T?

[isuzurover]

As opposed too...? What are these significant changes you mentioned?

What year is on the block? It may be hard to see. There is a 2 digit year cast on the RHS (near the Injector Pump).

I believe LR may have bought the engines in large batches, so the engine year could be a few years earlier than the vehicle.

Dougal - I think you need to look at the later batch made in the 90's to get the later type engine.

[Dougal]

Would they still have 4BD1 on the casting or are they a different casting with 4BD1T?

My 4BD1T only has 4BD1 cast on the side. But the drain location gives it away.


Dougal - I think you need to look at the later batch made in the 90's to get the later type engine.

Surely some of them get lucky with a later engine swap?

[BadCo.]

Some of the later engines were basically 4BD1T's without the turbo. Visually they have a different rocker cover and breather setup as the main clues. Also a blanking plate where the turbo drain would be and the intake manifold is slightly different.

Oh man, I want a turbo!

[Dougal]

Oh man, I want a turbo!

TD04HL-19T.
Factory turbo T2 high-mount manifold from an industrial 4BG1T.
The rest is just plumbing.

[BadCo.]

TD04HL-19T.
Factory turbo T2 high-mount manifold from an industrial 4BG1T.
The rest is just plumbing.

Got a number for the manifold?

EDIT: I see a Dougal... (http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?7562-4BD1T-to-4BG1T-swap-on-my-boat)

[Dougal]

Got a number for the manifold?

EDIT: I see a Dougal... (http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?7562-4BD1T-to-4BG1T-swap-on-my-boat)

Yeah that's me too.
I'll see what I can dig up for part numbers. The alternative 4BD1T manifold is well known but requires a t3 to t2 adapter.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Dougal, all,
Can you tell if this is a later type motor? According to the numbers it is a 1994 block. Inlet side photo didn't come out but can grab another if required.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/652.jpg

[Dougal]

Dougal, all,
Can you tell if this is a later type motor? According to the numbers it is a 1994 block. Inlet side photo didn't come out but can grab another if required.

Doesn't look like it.