Llams simple to follow settings guide...

[Bluepippa]

Hi, just wondered if anyone has ever come up with a simple to understand settings guide?
Although the instructions that come with the unit are clear, it may be easier to have a simple quick reference guide..

So if the car controls are "A" access mode "N" normal mode "O" off road and the Llams are "-1" "0" "1" "2" "3" "R" (I understand the red button can be used for some settings..)

What do the different combinations give you

Eg
"N-1" normal road height -30mm.. Good for highway, same setting from LR as if going over 160kph
"N0" normal road height... Factory standard as set by LR
"N1" normal road height plus 30mm.. No speed restrictions, good for off-road corrugations,

It would be great if someone could come up with a complete list of combinations that could be put in a simple quick ref guide for the new Llams user..

Just a thought :-)

[winaje]

I agree that this would be useful, particularly with suspension and total body heights of a "standard" vehicle. I'd probably make a small sticker to put on the inside of the visor, or similar.

[Redback]

Here's my thoughts on this, once we install ours, I will be using it this way.

I have no use for the lowered setting so I will only be using the Plus 30 and plus 50

Set plus 30 for all offroad, just set it and select a mode.

Plus 50 will only be used for deep water crossings.

If you keep fiddling with it, you run the risk of over heating the compressor, so for me, set it and forget it.

Baz.

[BobD]

Redback and others, you need to be aware that it is not quite as simple as setting and forgetting. The main problem / challenge, which catches me out all the time, is that the car sets it own off road height automatically every time you change terrain settings. If you don't realise that this has happened (nearly every time for me!) you then get off road height plus Llams height and only pick it up when the suspension starts behaving like a Jeep with limited downward extension and lots of thumping.


I now use the car's own settings most of the time and only use Llams when doing long high speed runs on sand or when I want extra height above off road height for some reason, such as water crossings.


Just another thing to consider.


Bob

[101RRS]

I have no use for the lowered setting so I will only be using the Plus 30 and plus 50

If you keep fiddling with it, you run the risk of over heating the compressor, so for me, set it and forget it.

Baz.

Why don't you want to use the lowered setting - certainly not a lot of use offroad but is great for normal every day use - ride is not compromised and easy to get in and out of the car.

I would reinforce your comment about not fiddling with it - pick your height and leave it there and save your compressor.

For me - onroad is set at onroad and LLAMS at -20.

Offroad - set at onroad and LLAMs set at +50 so you have the equivalent of normal offroad height - it stays there except:

If I come across a very tight bit offroad - I go to offroad with LLAMs still at +50 and this is good enough for most tight tuff - you still have on height to go in the system - the usual auto extended if you get caught up (with LLAMs at +50 you are the equivalent of super extended).

After the hard stuff is cleared back to onroad and LLAMs +50.

I find this minimises lift changes and is still OK on suspension and CVs etc. Be aware that the CVs are most vulnerable at high heights when power and lock is required - softly softly is the way to go in this scenario.

Garry

[Redback]

Redback and others, you need to be aware that it is not quite as simple as setting and forgetting. The main problem / challenge, which catches me out all the time, is that the car sets it own off road height automatically every time you change terrain settings. If you don't realise that this has happened (nearly every time for me!) you then get off road height plus Llams height and only pick it up when the suspension starts behaving like a Jeep with limited downward extension and lots of thumping.


I now use the car's own settings most of the time and only use Llams when doing long high speed runs on sand or when I want extra height above off road height for some reason, such as water crossings.


Just another thing to consider.


Bob

I pick one mode and leave it in that mode all day, it only comes out of that mode when finished.

Baz.

[BobD]

I pick one mode and leave it in that mode all day, it only comes out of that mode when finished.

Baz.



Baz,


You are very lucky to have such uniform conditions. We often have sand then roads then sand then rocks then get stuck and use RockCrawl to get out etc etc. You turn your engine off for some reason and everything except Llams is reset and so on. I often get caught out.


Bob

[Graeme]

My thoughts, not that my vehicle sees much other than a bumpy track...

if clambering over rocks is involved then leave Llams off except when needed in addition to off-road height,

if cruising tracks then use Llams +30 or +50 as applicable,

If sneaking under a fallen tree then access height +(-) Llams extra low (bump-stops) providing there are no rocks on the track!

[~Rich~]

Graeme has just about nailed it.
Common sense will normally see you through.
BTW some D3's only can get -20 not -30/35 as with the latter models. ( Apart from if you use the special functions button)

The only exception is perhaps we should post the 'expected' heights with standard tyres when using each setting, this would be useful for entering carparks.

But as always Buyer Beware, each vehicle may calibrate slightly different and you should measure your own vehicle to be more accurate.

[Tombie]

And focus! Pay attention to your systems as well as the track :)

[Bluepippa]

Ok, so if asked nicely (please :-) ) can I have some line by line replies based on the "N1" type coding system from "A-1" to "O3" with typical heights if you have them.. I will put them all together as a PDF and post here for comment..... I will also take some measurements at the weekend based on my setup as comparison...

[Redback]

Why don't you want to use the lowered setting - certainly not a lot of use offroad but is great for normal every day use - ride is not compromised and easy to get in and out of the car.

I would reinforce your comment about not fiddling with it - pick your height and leave it there and save your compressor.

For me - onroad is set at onroad and LLAMS at -20.

Offroad - set at onroad and LLAMs set at +50 so you have the equivalent of normal offroad height - it stays there except:

If I come across a very tight bit offroad - I go to offroad with LLAMs still at +50 and this is good enough for most tight tuff - you still have on height to go in the system - the usual auto extended if you get caught up (with LLAMs at +50 you are the equivalent of super extended).

After the hard stuff is cleared back to onroad and LLAMs +50.

I find this minimises lift changes and is still OK on suspension and CVs etc. Be aware that the CVs are most vulnerable at high heights when power and lock is required - softly softly is the way to go in this scenario.

Garry

Because I'm not driving a sports car or Range Rover Sport and when I'm touring 99% of the time, I have a camper Trailer on the back.


Baz,


You are very lucky to have such uniform conditions. We often have sand then roads then sand then rocks then get stuck and use RockCrawl to get out etc etc. You turn your engine off for some reason and everything except Llams is reset and so on. I often get caught out.


Bob

Bob,

If I'm doing hard tracks, in most cases, the tracks around this part of the state will have a combination of ruts and rocks and loose sandstone, so I'll use what ever I feel will cover it all, either Rock Crawl or Mud Ruts usually, I probably wouldn't use Llams in these conditions, because when you're driving these tracks the car goes into extended mode quite a bit, especially when it's a combination of steep, sandy, rocky and damp conditions, this might be the only time I'll change between modes, because height selection is not affected, but as I've found, in either mode, it hasn't made any difference that I could tell.

If I'm just cruising forest tracks or gravel roads, I don't bother with any mode, standard mode is pretty good for only light 4WDriving, I don't pic a mode until the going gets tough, as for sand, I have only driven sand twice, once for 100mtrs at Plomer Point and the other was Big Desert in Victoria, in those cases Sand mode was used of coarse, not into beach driving, in the first case, I just wanted to test out Sand Mode.

What I'm trying to say, it's more about changing height on a continual basis, tuning Llams on and off with the modes.

Graeme has pretty much summed it up.

Baz.

[Bluepippa]

So here are some measurements from my D4
Running 1/2 worn 255x60x18 road tyres.. Inflated 35 psi... Also fitted with full length roof rails
Measured from ground to top clearance of car and rail.. All figures rounded UP to the nearest centimetre......

A-1 182cm
A0 184cm
A+1 187cm
A+2 190cm

N-1 187 cm
N0 189cm
N+1 192cm
N+2 195 cm

O-1 191cm
O0 193cm
O+1 196cm
O+2 198cm

[The Fizz]

A-1 182cm
A0 184cm
A+1 187cm
A+2 190cm

N-1 187 cm
N0 189cm
N+1 192cm
N+2 195 cm

O-1 191cm
O0 193cm
O+1 196cm
O+2 198cm

Any chance you could replicate these measurements to the bottom of the air intake please?

[TuffRR]

Any chance you could replicate these measurements to the bottom of the air intake please?

You could measure the distance from the top of the rails and your intake and subtract. Much easier than getting someone to take a heap more measurements...

[Stuart02]

Possibly slightly off topic unless LLAMS is a solution - does the height automatically return from offroad to normal when you switch from lo to hi range and/or change from special programs (rock crawl in my case) to on road? My wife tells me I'm hitting the height button when going for high range. Of course I don't believe her... :$

[Bluepippa]

Any chance you could replicate these measurements to the bottom of the air intake please?

Hi..
From the bottom of the air intake to the the top of the rails is 98cm..
Simply subtract the 98mm from each of the below heights will give you your wading depth.

Cheers
D

[Bluepippa]

Possibly slightly off topic unless LLAMS is a solution - does the height automatically return from offroad to normal when you switch from lo to hi range and/or change from special programs (rock crawl in my case) to on road? My wife tells me I'm hitting the height button when going for high range. Of course I don't believe her... :$

Hi.
LLAMS does not change unless you change it..
Changing program or increasing speed will not effect LLAMS height.. if LLAMS and car height is used, then yes when you change program or speed, the height will change but again only the car setting not the LLAMS setting.

Cheers
D

[Graeme]

I think the poster is asking, unrelated to LLAMS, if the vehicle lowers when exiting rock crawl by selecting high range, which it does.