D4 Sat Nav

[LandyAndy]

Is Sat Nav available as a dealer fit option on the D4????
If so how much to they want.
Will be asking my salesman monday,would like to know the cost to ensure they arent having a lend seeing the deal is closed.
Thanks
Andrew

[sheerluck]

Pretty sure the sat nav is factory fit only Andrew. Not believed to be the most outstanding navigation feature that has ever been designed either.

[GP1200]

Hi Andrew,
I think it would be a factory fit only, quite often it's packaged up as a " Tech Pack " with a reversing camera, sensors and maybe a sound system upgrade. The price varies depending on current deals and specials on offer.

At my elevated age, I wouldn't consider a new car without the goodies!
I find jumping in a car without a good reversing camera and sensors quite disturbing!:)

Jack

PS: in answer to the price, the tech pack option on my first D4 was about
$3500-00 to $4000-00 at the time, but like everything it can be discussed...

[LandyAndy]

Hi Andrew,
I think it would be a factory fit only, quite often it's packaged up as a " Tech Pack " with a reversing camera, sensors and maybe a sound system upgrade. The price varies depending on current deals and specials on offer.

At my elevated age, I wouldn't consider a new car without the goodies!
I find jumping in a car without a good reversing camera and sensors quite disturbing!:)

Jack

PS: in answer to the price, the tech pack option on my first D4 was about
$3500-00 to $4000-00 at the time, but like everything it can be discussed...

Mine has the HiIce/camera/sensors.I doubt it has Sat Nav,its not on the invoice.
Thanks
Andrew

[nat_89]

The sat nav is pretty ordinary our iPhones do a much better job than the sat nav sadly haha.

[LandyAndy]

Better off getting a new Tom Tom then,mine died.
Andrew

[sheerluck]

Better off getting a new Tom Tom then,mine died.
Andrew

Yep. And it'll probably cost you a tenth of the price of the OE one too.

[Epic pooh]

Yes and if the D4 version ages like the D3 version and it's lack of updates, it will be next to useless after about 5-6 years. iPhone in a cradle with google maps with turn by turn voice guidance via the sound system using a parrot BT interface.

The only thing my screen is good for is 4x4 info and displaying camera outputs when I get motivated to fit a gvif.

Money better spent on vodka id say. 81554

[letherm]

Mine came as standard with the HSE which has the bigger video screen and HK 11 speaker audio. There was a recent update mentioned in a thread here but recent is debatable. I rang the dealer to see if my Nov 13 D4 had it and they said it would. There's no way to check which update is installed apparently and I wasn't going to spend the $199.00 when I didn't know if it would do anything. As far as use goes, I personally find it ok generally with a few idiosyncracies but agree that a windscreen attached one from Tomtom etc has more features and is a better option if you don't have it as a standard item. It is handy having it in the dash but I would not have been too upset if I had had to buy an aftermarket attachment.

Here's a link to the update page (provided by someone on the other thread - apologies but I can't remember who) in case anyone wants to check it out.

https://www.landrover.whereis.com.au/shopdisplayproducts.asp'search=yes

[BMKal]

Andrew - I run a Hema HN6 in mine (believe they've now released a new model - HN7??).

Very happy with it, both in town and out in the bush.

I've also got a TomTom which is good in the City, but not much use some of the places I go. SWMBO usually uses that in hire cars etc when she comes down to Perth.

I tried one of those VMS units they were flogging in 4WD Action (got it cheap at the 4WD Show a couple of years back). I liked the larger screen on the VMS but unfortunately it was pretty useless in the city. I would usually arrive at destination, sometimes after finding it on Google maps on the phone, before the bloody thing even found a satellite signal. Works well in the country though - Shaun now has it in the D2.

The only thing that the Hema does not have that you get with the TomTom is the "fixed speed camera" register and warnings - but that doesn't bother me because I don't speed ............. :angel:

For going offroad though - I've seen nothing that beats the Hema. ;)

I deliberately opted NOT to have the factory system in the Disco after I was told how much it costs to have the maps updated (you can only have it done at a Land Rover dealer I'm told).

[Epic pooh]

My off the beaten path navigation is done using an otherwise fairly useless iPad (version 1) running HEMA maps supplemented by detailed maps from memory map, gps signal comes from an aviation quality external Bluetooth GPS/glonass receiver. Works well for us and as it is not bound to the vehicle trip planning can be done anywhere comfy.

Personally think that sat nav built into vehicles is a bad idea because they will be quickly eclipsed by mainstream consumer tech (as is the case with mine).

Just gotta motivate myself to fit a gvif and some additional cameras (rear, front, under) and my screen will be slightly useful !

[Basil135]

I am going to go against the grain here, and say that I love the factory Sat Nav.

We drove to Sydney over Easter, had the nav on all the way, and the only time we made a wrong turn, was when I thought I new better... :angel:

It also puts the next turn on the centre display, between the taco & speedo, with a distance count-down, so you dont have to be an expert at guessing distances.

It has all the features of any decent GPS, like history, take me home, way points, POI ect.

Plus, if you are thinking of ever selling the car in the future, it would probably be expected to be included with such a high quality investment that the D4 is. :D

[tiddy]

I guess I was just pig headed & decided not to get factory sat nav as I considered it way over priced & that I also had a perfectly good TomTom at home & I use that.

I know that factory one looks the good with the integration but I just felt given the price of the car, it really should have been standard equipment, and that plenty lesser priced cars including the Grand Cherokee in the Limited model up have it fitted standard.

Having said all that, I still wouldn't mind having it....lol, too late now though.

[letherm]

I deliberately opted NOT to have the factory system in the Disco after I was told how much it costs to have the maps updated (you can only have it done at a Land Rover dealer I'm told).

Rusking posted this thread a few weeks ago.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/201611-updating-satnav-maps-my12.html

It shows how to do an update yourself via a DVD/CD. As explained in the thread, it's not intuitive and you get error messages that would make you think it's not working.

HTH

Martin

[dindsy]

Plus 1 for the Hema.


I just bought the HN7 which does have the fixed speed camera warnings. It actually has the combined speed/red light camera warnings as well. And it also has "high accident Zone" warnings :)


I love this unit. I have a $23 ebay camera plugged into it and I am running a wire from the AUX port at the rear seat area to the unit so that I can load an play music from it through the Car stereo. It works great for that.


I have it mounted by one of the below so it hangs down in front of the useless screen (partially) and doesn't block the windscreen view at all.


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The good thing is that it uses version of Oziexplorer so all the maps I bought years ago can still be loaded onto it.


PS. I'm not sure why the add appeared in the thread. I thought it would be just the link :~

[Redback]

The factory SatNav is good for main roads, soon as you go of the beaten track, it's any non offroad satnav, great for around town.

I can recommend VMS as a good offroad GPS, we have two, old and new, just updated.

Touring 700HDX | VMS 4x4 - Find A New Path (http://www.vms4x4.com/collections/portable-navigation-1/products/touring-700hdx)

Baz.

[BJM]

I've used the factory GPS in a few different brands of cars now and I have to say the one in my new D4 is one of the better ones. We optioned Meridian Audio and Tech Pack.

There are aftermarket GPS available but they're not cheap...
Discovery 4 GPS Navigation | CarKitMe (http://carkitme.com.au/disco4-touch-gps-navigation/)

[Celtoid]

Hi All,

I had factory Sat Nav in D4 number one and bought the second one without ..... Christ I wish I'd given it more thought. Latest D4 is an SE with Hi-Ice ... so H&K Sound System, Touch Screen, Reverse Camera.

I agree with every point on this thread .... because there are some very good pros and cons.

I bought a GO 600 TomTom in lieu of the factory fit Sat Nav. My thoughts are:

Pros:

Depending on what options you buy, the Tom Tom appears very cheap (although I wonder in lieu of everything would it stack up if you have already paid for the Hi-Ice system....probably worth paying the extra for the Sat Nav).

The Tom Tom updates all the time, free of charge .... yet it still has incorrect speeds, turns, etc. You can join the update 'club' (input your own updates) but you need a smart phone and it sucks data like you wouldn't believe and it appears like very few owners do ... since I constantly find areas that have the wrong speeds posted. Great concept, poor execution.

Much better graphics in some instances but often a bit more show than go!. The OEM Split Screen is simple and very, very effective, the Tom Tom is not, it's sometimes difficult to predict the turn in time. In a CBD, the buildings block your view in 3D mode. I've found it slower to calculate a re-route and has often gone out of 'focus' while it does this. ... great in city traffic ... NOT!

Can take Hema map plug ins.

Cons:

You have to find somewhere on the windscreen that doesn't block your vision and/or **** you off. The bigger the screen ... which seems like a cracking idea at the time, seems less so, when you stick it on the screen ... especially at night. The OEM system doesn't produce any glare at night and seems less affected by sunglasses polarisation during the day.

The OEM Sat Nav has voice command for Sat Nav and phone ... not sure if any windscreen jobs do that. You don't realise how much of a PITA it is until you don't have it. OEM will zoom in and out, find POIs all on voice command. It will also call phone numbers, etc.

When parking, you may wish to remove the Sat Nav off your screen, in case somebody else wants to borrow it. You also have to modify any sun-visors to work around the mounting stalk.

I'm sure the list of Pros and Cons goes on .... but for me, I'd take the LR OEM system anyday.

Oh and btw, one member said he thought the OEM system was better than others he'd used .... absolutely! Try Merc, BMW or Audi. Their systems are more integrated but are freakin horrible to use.

Oh ... after market fit for LR ... no Dealer wants to or possibly knows how to. Non OEM has been done very easily ... for $2K + (if you already have Hi-Ice) but you will not have Voice Command ..... and ... LOL .... will have the same system fitted to a Toyota (Igo Primo).

Cheers,

Kev.

[BJM]

The Sat Nav in our Subaru Forester needs something like 6 or 8 button presses just to turn off the guidance. It also has issues with only connecting to certain phones.

In comparison the system in our D4 is a dream come true.

[rufusking]

Another pro for the D4 SatNav is muting audio when giving guidance. Wish it also worked on the passengers!

[mowog]

My Satnav is now used as an expensive Compas. I have a HEMA HN6 as my main nav unit now. I also refused to be robbed of my hard eraned dollars to pay what they want for map updates.

[SBD4]

Another plus for the OEM system is, when you get a low fuel warning the nav will automatically show service stations on the map, it also tells you if you have enough fuel to complete an intended journey.

The issues most people mention have nothing to do with the capability of the system and everything to do with the implementation by LRA. They refuse to pay any licensing to have the services provided (such as TMC). For those of us on older nav systems (pre 2013 I think), it seems impossible to get updates to the maps as, again, LRA refuses to come to the party(I'm checking on this currently).

Lastly, having to pay $300 to get the system updated every 3rd or fourth year is hardly a reason to forego the factory system (by the way that's the same price for other car makers and seems to be dictated by Whereis rather than LR). Regardless of the missing features, I would go for it every time to get its integration with the cars other systems.

[Celtoid]

Another pro for the D4 SatNav is muting audio when giving guidance. Wish it also worked on the passengers!


Ah yes, forgot about that....it's very handy. The OEM is also very easy and safe to turn the volume up and down. With the TomTom I have to reach over to the windscreen and select another screen before I can slide (read time consuming ... yes seconds only, but they count when driving) the volume controller and then I have to change back to the Nav screen.

[Celtoid]

My Satnav is now used as an expensive Compas. I have a HEMA HN6 as my main nav unit now. I also refused to be robbed of my hard eraned dollars to pay what they want for map updates.




That is a very big Con of the OEM system .... and a bloody Con-Job it is too....$500+ for an update.....or it was when I got the old one done in 2012. I believe that was hundreds cheaper than previous years, so maybe it will keep coming down.

[Epic pooh]

I can't believe that folks have working voice control. On my '05 that is the most useless and frustrating feature ever !

The whole "hands off" is why I route audio from my phone to the stereo via Bluetooth so directions are provided much as with the fitted nav system (but the oem satnav lady does have a nice voice!).

[rufusking]

Works a treat, "Navigation zoom out 2", zooms out two steps, "Phone dial voice tag ....." , "Navigation cancel guidance" for when I know the road from here. The more I use it the more I love it.

[Epic pooh]

Mine is more like that episode of top gear where clarkson spent an evening trying to get an a class Merc to recognise a command ... Don't think it's ever recognised a command from me.

[Basil135]

Works a treat, "Navigation zoom out 2", zooms out two steps, "Phone dial voice tag ....." , "Navigation cancel guidance" for when I know the road from here. The more I use it the more I love it.

And, if you push the voice button, you can cut off the confirmation, and go straight to the next step... ;)

No need to put your iced coffee & pie down while you are driving. :eek:

[nat_89]

And, if you push the voice button, you can cut off the confirmation, and go straight to the next step... ;)

No need to put your iced coffee & pie down while you are driving. :eek:

Ahh sweet didn't know that thanks for that. Also noticed the other day when your using voice command it stops the indicators ticking.

[SBD4]

Ahh sweet didn't know that thanks for that. Also noticed the other day when your using voice command it stops the indicators ticking.

Same if you have not buckled your seat belt.

[nat_89]

Same if you have not buckled your seat belt.

Oh didn't know that either I'm that bad with putting a seat belt on i bloody put it on to move the car out just habit haha

[rufusking]

Oh didn't know that either I'm that bad with putting a seat belt on i bloody put it on to move the car out just habit haha
Try putting the seatbelt buckle in and out (I think it's like 11 time) quickly and it turns of the "Bing" noise off if it's not plugged in when you move. Seriously it works!

[nat_89]

Try putting the seatbelt buckle in and out (I think it's like 11 time) quickly and it turns of the "Bing" noise off if it's not plugged in when you move. Seriously it works!

Haha wow I'm learning all these quirky new tricks!! Thanks!!

[LandyAndy]

I didnt bother chasing up factory Sat Nav.Decided to get a Hema or similar in the future.
Andrew

[Celtoid]

Mine is more like that episode of top gear where clarkson spent an evening trying to get an a class Merc to recognise a command ... Don't think it's ever recognised a command from me.


A bit like the YouTube skit with some Scottish guys stuck in an American voice activated elevator ....


"Eleven, Eleven .... I xxxxing show you, etc, etc" ... or words to that effect :-)


My older D4 had voice tuition .... which I never used in the 4.5 years that I had the car. I was stuck in 20KPH traffic once and thought that it would be a good time to try .... "Voice Tuition, Please Pull Over And Activate Handbrake" .... as I said .... never quite got the full use out of the system ... LOL!!!