Something interesting, but controversial

[bob10]

Now, please don't get on your high horses, jump up & down, without listening to this. No matter what you think of Latham, this is really interesting. And not directed at any side of politics, essentially. Bob [Mods, please listen to it before zapping it with the Mod laser, Bob


Mark Latham - ABC Conversations with Richard Fidler (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/08/04/4060297.htm'site=conversations)

[pop058]

Interesting ??, controvesial, don't know as I didn't listen to it, but it is political :mad:

[bob10]

Interesting ??, controvesial, don't know as I didn't listen to it, but it is political :mad:


You didn't even give it a chance. I would have thought a mature attitude would prevail. Obviously not. Until the time comes, when discussions of this type can be had, " around the campfire" , so to speak, we will always be immature children. Bob

[pop058]

You didn't even give it a chance. I would have thought a mature attitude would prevail. Obviously not. Until the time comes, when discussions of this type can be had, " around the campfire" , so to speak, we will always be immature children. Bob

Mature attitude and whether or not we can discuss it with out being immature children has nothing to do with it. It is political and as such, you should not have posted it in the first place.

[bob10]

Mature attitude and whether or not we can discuss it with out being immature children has nothing to do with it. It is political and as such, you should not have posted it in the first place.


I disagree. The article takes no sides. The article makes a lot of sense, in part. Are we to have a forum , AKA general chat, AKA " around the campfire" open to general comment, without bias,or not. I respect the MODS right to zap it into the ether, If they think that is what is needed. But I reserve the right to post it. I bet you haven't even listened to it. With respect, Bob

[Chucaro]

Bob, we are in the 5 post in these thread,(6 with this one) only one member commented on it and already we have problems :(
It is a shame really.
I started one couple of days ago about something that should concern all of us and the thread did not lasted long :(

[bob10]

Bob, we are in the 5 post in these thread,(6 with this one) only one member commented on it and already we have problems :(
It is a shame really.
I started one couple of days ago about something that should concern all of us and the thread did not lasted long :(


Old mate, we should remember we can post such threads here, without fear or favour. Our good friends can post a reply, for or against, without fear or favour. I respect that, and thank God every day I am in a country where that can happen. VIVA AULRO! vive Australia, & democracy.
AND, go the REDS next year. [ and, don't get too used to it NSW] Bob

[pop058]

Interesting ??, controvesial, don't know as I didn't listen to it, but it is political :mad:


I disagree. The article takes no sides. The article makes a lot of sense, in part. Are we to have a forum , AKA general chat, AKA " around the campfire" open to general comment, without bias,or not. I respect the MODS right to zap it into the ether, If they think that is what is needed. But I reserve the right to post it. I bet you haven't even listened to it. With respect, Bob

"General Chat" is just that, so I agree with you there. "Think of it as around the campfire with the kids" is intended to keep things "G-rated" which I believe your article is. So you are 2 from 2, BUT, to think that an article/interview/whatever about the political career of an ex-politician falls within the "No Politics" rule is a bit of a strech IMHO.

My point is, that the subject specifics is totally irrelevant, the thread has a political base and therefore should not be posted at all.



Bob, we are in the 5 post in these thread,(6 with this one) only one member commented on it and already we have problems :(
It is a shame really.
I started one couple of days ago about something that should concern all of us and the thread did not lasted long :(

Arthur, I do not believe Bob and I have a problem, we have a difference of opinion, a situation I am sure you are familiar with.

[Chucaro]

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Arthur, I do not believe Bob and I have a problem, we have a difference of opinion, a situation I am sure you are familiar with.

Paul, I did not mean in that way, what I try to said is that already there is controversy about the topic. Is controversy the right word??
Sorry that I do not expressed myself well at the beginning, it takes this old rusty brain a bit of time to come with words that are more acceptable.
I am sure that any of us can have a good exchange of opinions even on hot topics without loosing our composure. :D

[Rurover]

Bob,

Thanks for posting the link.

I heard the last half of the conversation and was keen to hear the first part, so I'll follow your link.

BTW, in my humble opinion (from what I did hear of Latham) , while he certainly talked about politics, his comments were very non-partisan, in that he bagged all sides of politics in a pretty even handed way!

Alan

[ramblingboy42]

Mature attitude and whether or not we can discuss it with out being immature children has nothing to do with it. It is political and as such, you should not have posted it in the first place.

Jeez mate.....just go to another thread.....no one is forcing you to involve your self in this one.

Let those who have an interest in it discuss it among themselves.

[solmanic]

Hmmm... I just noticed that Bob's avatar has his Discovery with its door open, but Pop's is closed. Is this a metaphor perhaps?

[spudboy]

I haven't listened to the link yet, but I like Richard Fiedler and I like Mark Latham (in a kind of crazy/brave way). Not my side of politics, but always has interesting things to say when he turns up on things like Q&A.

Pop085 - not sure why this has raised your ire so. If you are not interested in this, then there are 1000's of other threads to read....

[S3ute]

Hello from Brisbane.


Don't want to get into the whys and wherefores of the politics of the original post - leave that to you fellows and the rule book to slug out.


However, I must admit to having listened to the original show and found myself surprisingly agreeing with most of what the interviewee had to say. In fact, for the most part it came across to me as pretty level-headed stuff regardless of where on the spectrum your interests and biases might lie.


Pity that political debate and the media coverage of it has become such a debased currency these days.


Cheers,

[Rurover]

Hello from Brisbane.


Pity that political debate and the media coverage of it has become such a debased currency these days.


Cheers,

Which was the point of much of what Latham had to say. Politics is now a media "circus" , which the politicians sadly pander to.

Instead of them looking to the long term, good of the country and the people, they spend much of their time in this ridiculous gladiatorial contest where truth and common sense and credibility are sacrificed on the alter of one-upmanship and petty point scoring.

We used to have "statesmen" who had a vision for what a better Australian society would look like, and these men (in those days they were all men!) tended to rise to positions of leadership.

I think there are still men (AND women) with vision and strong ethics in politics but sadly they now get pushed down by the factions and the "winner takes all" system in modern politics. Democracy is the big loser.
Which echoes just what Latham was saying to Richard Fidler.

So even if you are not a fan of Latham or Labor, I do recommend listening to the Conversation. It's certainly about politics, but looks at what's wrong with the current dysfunctional "system", and how it might eventually be repaired.
Something we should all be concerned about as taxpayers and voters!
Very little "party politics" in the conversation.

Alan

[Chucaro]

I found the conversation very interested, informative and well balanced.
As it is expected after 10 years Latham have changed sounds more "mature"

[Pickles2]

When Mark was Leader of the Opposition, I thought he was an absolute ratbag,....so did a lot of others, that's why He didn't last long.
HOWEVER, during the last few years, He has been seen & heard a bit more in the media, & He certainly appears to have mellowed, & "taken stocK' if you like.
The last time I saw him on TV, it was with Andrew Bolte, and you know what, they actually agreed with each other.
So, yes, I believe Latham has changed, and He is now talking some sense.
Pickles.

[bob10]

Is it safe to come out now? Do I have to take my Groucho Marx moustache off. I have to say , I am pleased a few have seen the conversation the way I did. I'm over politics, big time. But there is an element of truth in what he said. BTW, back in the day, I thought Latham was a boofhead. He makes sense in this discussion. [ Probably means I'm a boofhead, which vindicates SWMBO, unfortunately] Bob

[bob10]

Hmmm... I just noticed that Bob's avatar has his Discovery with its door open, but Pop's is closed. Is this a metaphor perhaps?


You deep thinker, you. Actually, in the back of my disco is our old dog, which had to be put down. Best dog I've ever had, but he's in his beloved disco, & will be for as long as I am here, Bob

[solmanic]

You deep thinker, you. Actually, in the back of my disco is our old dog, which had to be put down. Best dog I've ever had, but he's in his beloved disco, & will be for as long as I am here, Bob

Ahh yes, but dogs aside notice I didn't delve into the metaphoric possibilities of it being your back door that's open.

[ramblingboy42]

....remember the handshake?

[bob10]

Ahh yes, but dogs aside notice I didn't delve into the metaphoric possibilities of it being your back door that's open.




Careful now, you are talking to an old sailor, hold fast & ease to 10! Urgers & malingerers clear off the upper deck, stand by to repel boarders! You'll feel the tip of my blade, Sir, if you keep that course up. Get my drift? Bob [ I love that nautical talk]



Sailing For Adventure with Lucky Jack.wmv - YouTube

[bob10]

AND, POP is ok by me. I appreciate & respect, a Man who speaks his mind, Bob

[bob10]

....remember the handshake?


Now I am confused. Or old & confused. Or just old. Or perhaps , just not with it. Then again , if I'm not with it, I must be without it. If I'm without it, then I mustn't need it. If I don't need it, it's not necessary. Now I feel better. Glad we sorted that out. I think. Bob
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