Discovery Sport

[tiddy]

Saw this on CarAdvice, being released in Sept..7 seats too, at least the key fob looks familiar..

Land Rover Discovery Sport: seven-seat cabin revealed in sneak peek video | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/302639/land-rover-discovery-sport-seven-seat-cabin-revealed-in-sneak-peek-video/)

[cruiser1]

Just got an email from dealer with invitation for Sept 3 for this "reveal".

[Canaussie]

I'm still up in the air on this new vehicle. I'm sure it'll be awesome as far as it's capabilities but the styling is more catered to the soccer mum style of vehicle. I'm not sure how it would look as an offroad tourer with bar snorkel and the likes!

[Lobster]

Email contents.....

NEW DISCOVERY SPORT
An exclusive invitation.

All will be revealed 3 September.

The countdown to the launch of New Discovery Sport has begun.

On 3 September 2014, all eyes will be on a remote desert in New Mexico where the newest member of the Discovery family will be revealed.

Sharing the original full-size Discovery's famous characteristics of versatility and refinement, the compact New Discovery Sport heralds a new direction in design and technology. As someone who has previously expressed an interest in our vehicles, we would like to invite you to join us online to witness the event.

EVENT DETAILS

Date: 03.09.2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHdIP5af9DY

[LandyAndy]

I too got the email from Land Rover.
Andrew

[Meken]

7 seats in a car the size of freelander 2 - no luggage space with 7 ?

[Celtoid]

7 seats in a car the size of freelander 2 - no luggage space with 7 ?


There ain't much luggage space in my D4 with all seven seats in use. More than the Disco Sport but you certainly couldn't get a decent amount of luggage for seven people in a D4.


Good for day drives or maybe overnight but when I've had to use the back seats, a lot of stuff ends up in another car, the trailer or on the roof rack.

[DI5CO]

Also probably no transfer case if it's based of the Freelander chassis.

[Marmoset]

I reckon it'll have a 9 speed auto with an ultra low 1st gear to negate the need for a transfer case.

Interested to see what it's like. I always thought the Freelander was a little too small and short in the wheelbase to give it enough room inside.

[Celtoid]

Also probably no transfer case if it's based of the Freelander chassis.


Does an Evoque have a transfer case? I thought the Disco Sport was going to be based on that chassis?

[tiddy]

Does an Evoque have a transfer case? I thought the Disco Sport was going to be based on that chassis?

I think you're correct about it using the Evoque chassis, the other thing about not having a T/C is really how many people actually use it anyway.

Not having a T/C has not hurt the Amarok, which according to some reviews I have read. There was a review recently in 4x4 Aust of a single range RRS and they were pretty impressed what it would do without the T/C, not saying it's for me, but makes you wonder if the dual range case was offered as an option, what % of sales would actually take it up.

[Celtoid]

I think you're correct about it using the Evoque chassis, the other thing about not having a T/C is really how many people actually use it anyway.

Not having a T/C has not hurt the Amarok, which according to some reviews I have read. There was a review recently in 4x4 Aust of a single range RRS and they were pretty impressed what it would do without the T/C, not saying it's for me, but makes you wonder if the dual range case was offered as an option, what % of sales would actually take it up.


Yeah there are probably at least two sides to this ...


People who would potentially save thousands buying a car without all that running gear .... cause they would never use it.


And maybe the people who would get by with what more cogs in a gearbox would offer ... some beach work, dirt tracks, etc.


Fundamentally, wasn't a duel ratio gearbox introduced as a way of getting more gears in a standard box ... so logic would suggest, that with today's new boxes ... and future developments ... you wouldn't need the extra hardware as you could have 10 or more gears in the one transmission?

[DI5CO]

Does an Evoque have a transfer case? I thought the Disco Sport was going to be based on that chassis?

The Freelander and Evoque share the same chassis, as well as the Volvo xc60, s80, Jag X type and Ford Mondeo!! It's the Ford EUCD platform.
Dave

[p38arover]

I'm sure that when I was at the factory last week, they said it was the new Freelander.

Of course, they could have been feeding me a line.

[Celtoid]

The Freelander and Evoque share the same chassis, as well as the Volvo xc60, s80, Jag X type and Ford Mondeo!! It's the Ford EUCD platform.
Dave

Ah ha.

[Celtoid]

I'm sure that when I was at the factory last week, they said it was the new Freelander.

Of course, they could have been feeding me a line.

It might just be the context of the statement.... Like "they're getting rid of the Freeo ... This is replacing it". In other words the new Freelander....called Disco Sport.

[Meken]

Yes exactly the freelander. 2 nameplate will be no more - they are aligning the brand to 3 "styles" defender family for the no frills nuts bolts hardcore, discovery family for the utilitarian user who likes leather & electronic aids & range rover family for the real luxury market. Current evoque runs on the freelander 2 running gear. Freelander 2 goes most places just hindered by clearance. Close to 400nm in 1.6t makes it a beach eater. There was a rrs single range following me around land rover experience - seemed to go all the places the D4 went albeit a little faster & consequently harsher. I don't think I'd want single range if I was doing serious off-road towing though.

[SBD4]

Win the ultimate adventure to space with Land Rover

[SBD4]

Land Rover unveils the New Discovery Sport SUV at Spaceport America - YouTube

[nat_89]

Im not so sure i like it might have to see it in the flesh but the tail lights look a bit odd to me aswell!

[Marmoset]

On first glance I like it, brings the Freelander up to date.


A few more articles here. Not read them all yet but it looks pricey. The range starts at 32,000 pounds as opposed to 27,000 for the Freelander.

New Land Rover Discovery Sport unveiled | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-land-rover-discovery-sport-unveiled)

Land Rover Discovery Sport - first ride review | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/land-rover-discovery-sport-first-ride)

How the new Land Rover Discovery Sport was designed | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/how-new-land-rover-discovery-sport-was-designed)

[catch-22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c58rRzOAaSs

[CSBrisie]

Front and rear stainless steel protection (I assume that won't be very thick, but better than nought) and 17, 18, 19 or 20 inch rims available (great for tyre choice). A worthy successor to the Freelander me thinks.

[Meken]

I watched the video - now I'm convinced I need one so I can be one of those cool dudes that does outdoor things :)
Looks nice but the vid tells you nada about the car
Ps it will never catch on here - steering wheel is on the wrong side!

I like the black pack on the dark grey.... Sinister

[Crimdog]

I agree csbrisie, i think it will be a step up and i will look at upgrading the wifes freelander 2 when it comes out.

i think alot of people will be against it holding the discovery name plate. im not sure about the rear taillights but i like the styling of the rest of the car.

[duncanw]

Looks a bit too much like an updated version of the Ford Territory for me :(

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/1448.jpg

http://static.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery/public/6/88//lr_ds_exterior_location_05.jpg?itok=64QyaoHA

[chuck]

They could have had one model with transfer case & ediff.

Why do all car makers assume that serious 4x4's have to be huge.

There is only two of us & a newfie plus the grandkids occasionally.

[Meken]

They could have had one model with transfer case & ediff.



Why do all car makers assume that serious 4x4's have to be huge.



There is only two of us & a newfie plus the grandkids occasionally.


Only weighs 1.8t & 90mm longer than freelander 2 is not what I call huge

I found a small 4wd for you ;) http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/joondalup-area/cars-vans-utes/suzuki-sierra-lj50-2-stroke-/1050246656

[LandyAndy]

Looks OK,dont mind the Territory reference,we have one with the XR6 Turbo motor;););););););) Bloody good machine!!!!!!
Would I buy one,probably not.
Andrew

[chuck]

I meant I would be interested if they had a transfer case and ediff.

Don't need the size of a D4.

[Meken]

Looks OK,dont mind the Territory reference,we have one with the XR6 Turbo motor;););););););) Bloody good machine!!!!!!
Would I buy one,probably not.
Andrew


Because you have an 2014 D4 with what 10kms on the dial??? ;)

[Meken]

I meant I would be interested if they had a transfer case and ediff.



Don't need the size of a D4.


Oh yes I see what you mean now - I think the zuk has a transfer case (I remember bouncing around in the back of a mates all over Fraser Island many years ago - walked all over the other "real" 4wds ;) )

[LandyAndy]

Because you have an 2014 D4 with what 10kms on the dial??? ;)

We have a 2006 Territory Ghia Turbo,its a toy I bought for my Mrs,has less than 60000kms on it.I love steering it,its a rocketship and isnt that far behind the D4 in comfort.
EASY car to destroy ones licence;););););) When we bought it our 19yo son said there is a soccermum with no licence;););););)
PS,its standard lighting kills the D4;););););)
Andrew

[VladTepes]

Disco Sport

Looks good but two big problems
- too expensive
- not a Defender

[BMKal]

For the market they're aiming at, I think they'll do well.

Let's face it - look at the number of Freelander II's and Evoques getting around now. They're everywhere around where I am in Perth. The Disco Sport is aimed at exactly the same market, replacing the Freelander and looking a lot more like the Evoque.

I've driven Freelander II's a couple of times now and have been pretty impressed with the latest version - have even been thinking of replacing SWMBO's Camry with one. I might wait until this new Sport has been around for a while now, and get her one of these instead. I think it's something that would suit our needs pretty well - I don't mind the look of it at all, definitely better looking than its competitors.

I'd still be keeping the D4 for myself though. ;)

[tiddy]

I agree Kal, it's a very good looking device, certainly better than anything else in its class.

[Tombie]

I think its a tidy looking machine and should do well..

As for the "must have a TC" - how stuck in 19xx do people want to be?

With modern multi ratio boxes, if the 1st and 2nd gears are low enough then a single range gearbox will more than adequately do everything the same vehicle with less gears and dual range will... And less gear sucking power out of the driveline :cool:

[PAT303]

My mate has the single range Amarok and it goes everywhere his old 80 series did,I didn't think it would but he drove up all the same tracks without any issue except it hit it's guts a few times running factory suspension.I want a FL2 as our next vehicle,I've had a few as loaners and really like them,I think the disco sport like the FL2 and Evoque before it will bring more people to the marque and LR will continue to sell strongly world wide,I just wish they would pull their finger out on the defender and let us see it. Pat

[shanegtr]

I think its a tidy looking machine and should do well..

As for the "must have a TC" - how stuck in 19xx do people want to be?

With modern multi ratio boxes, if the 1st and 2nd gears are low enough then a single range gearbox will more than adequately do everything the same vehicle with less gears and dual range will... And less gear sucking power out of the driveline :cool:

I agree, and low 1st and 2nd gears coupled with an auto box would more than do for most mild offroading. I still like the option of true low range however.......

[nat_89]

I agree, and low 1st and 2nd gears coupled with an auto box would more than do for most mild offroading. I still like the option of true low range however.......

I'm with you there, they may not need it but its nice to have the back up if you do need it!!

[gghaggis]

Low ratio single-range boxes are all well and good - until you need to go backwards. ;)

Cheers,

Gordon

[LandyAndy]

Low ratio single-range boxes are all well and good - until you need to go backwards. ;)

Cheers,

Gordon

A mate bought an Amarock,it has no low range either.He tells me its not needed.Told him wait until he is stuck on a soft beach,backwards is often the only way out and you will need low-range.;);););););)
Andrew

[Dougal]

Guys it's a freelander.

[Meken]

Guys it's a freelander.


Well not quite.. It's a new chassis with new suspension. Are the engines carry over from the evoque? Or are they the new jlr diesel instead of the ford jobs ?
Low range ? Not sure. It's pretty light compared to a D4 so may not be absolutely necessary. I've had our freelander2 up to its belly in soft sand (tyre pressure too high) but there was no issue with not enough grunt in forward or reverse (it's clearance that's it's downfall - oh for eas)

[Tombie]

I agree, and low 1st and 2nd gears coupled with an auto box would more than do for most mild offroading. I still like the option of true low range however.......


Why? Dual range TC was a packaging exercise, just like V8s were made to reduce the length of the old inline 8s.

A dual range TC usually crosses over by 3rd low...

So 2 crawler ratios and 7 above in a single range should have it covered nicely :)

And backwards isn't usually a concern as most reverse is quite slow and could be lowered...

[Dougal]

Well not quite.. It's a new chassis with new suspension. Are the engines carry over from the evoque? Or are they the new jlr diesel instead of the ford jobs ?
Low range ? Not sure. It's pretty light compared to a D4 so may not be absolutely necessary. I've had our freelander2 up to its belly in soft sand (tyre pressure too high) but there was no issue with not enough grunt in forward or reverse (it's clearance that's it's downfall - oh for eas)
It's the new freelander. They just reorganised their range to call it a discovery sport.

It's competing in exactly the same market as the previous freelander. Just with a 7 seat option.

[shanegtr]

Why? Dual range TC was a packaging exercise, just like V8s were made to reduce the length of the old inline 8s.

A dual range TC usually crosses over by 3rd low...

So 2 crawler ratios and 7 above in a single range should have it covered nicely :)

And backwards isn't usually a concern as most reverse is quite slow and could be lowered...

I Think it's more a personal comfort thing:) it would take some getting used to not having "low range" when off road. But in all honesty, with the likes of 9 speed autos coming out now why can't the first 3 gears be low range type ratios with the remaining 6 ratios similar to the current 6 speeders. Could just electronically lock out the lowest ratios and call them low range. I'm surprised no manufacturer has grabbed a hold of the idea, being able to shift into low range on the fly would have to count for something right?

And I agree with you reverse comment

[nat_89]

I Think it's more a personal comfort thing:) it would take some getting used to not having "low range" when off road. But in all honesty, with the likes of 9 speed autos coming out now why can't the first 3 gears be low range type ratios with the remaining 6 ratios similar to the current 6 speeders. Could just electronically lock out the lowest ratios and call them low range. I'm surprised no manufacturer has grabbed a hold of the idea, being able to shift into low range on the fly would have to count for something right?

And I agree with you reverse comment

I think you'll find the new RR and RRS can shift into low range at speeds up to 60 or 50kmh cant remember what it is and the D4s can shift out of low into high at speeds up to 60kmh. Im pretty sure the new 8spd Amarok dont use first gear unless needed they normally start off in second unless you hit the off road button or it really needs it. I could be wrong but i think thats what the salesman told me.

[Dougal]

I Think it's more a personal comfort thing:) it would take some getting used to not having "low range" when off road. But in all honesty, with the likes of 9 speed autos coming out now why can't the first 3 gears be low range type ratios with the remaining 6 ratios similar to the current 6 speeders. Could just electronically lock out the lowest ratios and call them low range. I'm surprised no manufacturer has grabbed a hold of the idea, being able to shift into low range on the fly would have to count for something right?

And I agree with you reverse comment

There's no point locking out any gears. If it needs them, it'll use them and if it doesn't then it won't. The whole idea behind autos with a lot of gears is so the can be in positive drive with the torque converter locked virtually all the time.

[PAT303]

Isuzu auto's have locked out lower gears,they start in 2nd or 3rd and if you want lower you manually select via a switch on the gearstick,it's a simple easy idea.VW also start in second or third,the gearbox decides. Pat

[Dougal]

Isuzu auto's have locked out lower gears,they start in 2nd or 3rd and if you want lower you manually select via a switch on the gearstick,it's a simple easy idea.VW also start in second or third,the gearbox decides. Pat

If those are the gearboxes I think they are, they are automated manual gearboxes. A little different to a torque converter auto.

[Meken]

I think you'll find the new RR and RRS can shift into low range at speeds up to 60 or 50kmh cant remember what it is and the D4s can shift out of low into high at speeds up to 60kmh. Im pretty sure the new 8spd Amarok dont use first gear unless needed they normally start off in second unless you hit the off road button or it really needs it. I could be wrong but i think thats what the salesman told me.


My 12 year old bmw325 auto doesn't use 1st unless you use the stick in s mode
Then you get a big grin ;)

[nat_89]

My 12 year old bmw325 auto doesn't use 1st unless you use the stick in s mode
Then you get a big grin ;)

Haha i bet good fun!!

[Dougal]

So now it's been launched and is on the landrover websites.
2.2 diesel. 6sp manual or 9sp auto (in the UK at least).

The most interesting thing is the mention of air suspension on this page under standard ride height (not sure if link will work): Build your Discovery Sport - Preview Vehicle (http://rules.config.landrover.com/jdxl/en_gb_hoodup_seatoff/l550_k15/28ho8/a-se_a-std_a-std-wb_a-zytv-078bp/a-accessint_a-bcroof_a-cirrus_a-p3_a-p5-v1_n-022eb_n-025mf_n-029ud_n-033gq_n-047ab-rhd_n-063bc_n-064cw_n-086fa_n-867_vplcp0204_vplcs0280_vplcs0300_vplct0142/jdxpayoff.html)

Evoque didn't get air suspension.

[Marmoset]

Air suspension - if that's true then given it's weight, the DS has the potential to be one of the most capable LR's ever made, assuming the gearing is short enough in the lower gears.

[Meken]

The leaked photos in the lead up had coil springs - and the blurbs talk about some new rear setup that eliminates the suspension towers so they could fit the. 3rd row seats.
It definitely would be a great car if it had eas

[Pedro_The_Swift]

max Nm of 450 from a diesel

Gear Ratios:[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_9HP_transmission#cite_note-3)

1st 4.70:1
2nd 2.84:1
3rd 1.90:1
4th 1.38:1
5th 1.00:1
6th 0.80:1
7th 0.70:1
8th 0.58:1
9th 0.48:1
Reverse 3.80:1

[Dougal]

max Nm of 450 from a diesel

Gear Ratios:[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_9HP_transmission#cite_note-3)

1st 4.70:1
2nd 2.84:1
3rd 1.90:1
4th 1.38:1
5th 1.00:1
6th 0.80:1
7th 0.70:1
8th 0.58:1
9th 0.48:1
Reverse 3.80:1


Total gear spread: 9.79:1. That's impressive.

[Crimdog]

It mentions standard and access hight with EAS. Potential to trick it to go higher :)

[Dougal]

It mentions standard and access hight with EAS. Potential to trick it to go higher :)

By "trick" you mean pushing the button that's marked "up".:p

[Meken]

They are probably referring to extended off-road height which the car will do if it thinks it is on it's belly - but you cannot manually select it

[Dougal]

They are probably referring to extended off-road height which the car will do if it thinks it is on it's belly - but you cannot manually select it

The specs were referring to "access mode" which lowers the air suspension by 50mm for ease of access.
There is also a high mode which can be selected manually on a switch but is over-ridden if speeds get too high.
Extended mode is automatic. But no-one is talking about that.

This basic scheme hasn't changed between my 93 classic with EAS and a MY12 RRS.

[TerryO]

Chances are it has an extended height so if you get stuck and bottom out like a D3/4 has, if that's the case then hopefully a Llams kit will plug in and then give access to the extra height at the turn of a switch.

[Celtoid]

Maybe they were referring to the point that you can use 'Access Mode' to trick the suspension into going into extended height?


Which isn't completely automatic in a D4 .... it automatically raises, but has some more height in the bag of tricks if manually selected, once auto is engaged.


Guess we'll have to wait and see. Even now, after D4's being on the road since 2009, Journo's still get it wrong ... so what chance have the guys in a brand new car got? :)

[Dougal]

Maybe they were referring to the point that you can use 'Access Mode' to trick the suspension into going into extended height?

Huh?
Access mode is lower. Not higher. It is mentioned in the specs in reference to lowering the height of the vehicle.

This isn't a journo article. This is on landrovers site.

[discotwinturbo]

Huh? Access mode is lower. Not higher. It is mentioned in the specs in reference to lowering the height of the vehicle. This isn't a journo article. This is on landrovers site.

Heh Dougal,

You can put something under the car (or a naturally occurring rock on a track), drop the car down, and when it grounds, the car detects this and then rises to extended height....and you can then hold the brake and select the offroad height button and it goes to super extended height, so essentially it is being tricked.

This might be in context what he was taking about.

Brett....

[Meken]

Of course this is if it has air

[Schty006]

Anyone care to guess the price point?

Would be great if it wasn't that much more than he current freelander however i can see it climbing up will into the reaches of 90K plus for the luxury with some of the option boxes ticked.

[VladTepes]

I reckon you are right I anticipate the top end Disco Sport will be about on par with a 'base' model RR Evoque.

LR is positioning itself as a premium brand... in case it had escaped anyone's attention ! :lol2:

[Crimdog]

I was referring to the specs that were linked. In d4 specs it outlines of all (selectable) heights. In the linked specs for the disco sport it mentions normal and access hights but nothing about offroad hight, so I'm wondering if they will include an offroad hight or not? If not, i wonder if they will include a "help me I'm stuck" extended mode. If so, surely rods or Liam's could be used to "trick" it and get more control over the eas.

Regarding price I think I read it was about a 4k pound increase on outgoing freelander. My guess is about is the base model will have nothing and be about $5-6k increase and top of the range will be "sky is the limit"