Gas conversion place req in Melb

[matbor]

Anyone recommend a LPG conversion place in Melb, want to talk to someone about fitting a system in my disco !!

Matt.

[Rovernaut]

LP gas 1 Lilydale. I believe they speciialize in Land rover fittiing.
Mine has a very neat Scuba tank dual system. Scubas tucked up high underneath where the petrol tank was. Nothing to hang down and get banged and knocked.

[matbor]

Thanks, might go and see them on the weekend... need to talk to them as I want to keep my full 135lt fuel tank !!

[silverhammer]

Rovernaut

Are you happy with your LPG conversion? I'm about to go down the same path but can't get much reliable info on impact on performance, potential economy or savings.

I'd value any pointers on the most suitable LPG kit...vendors are pointing towards IMPCO, ELKO and LANDI HARTOG (European). What hardware have you got?

Silverhammer

[Rovernaut]

Siverhammer,
I bought the Disco second hand with the LPG system fitted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Rovernaut/LPG%20sys/d9856102.jpg
I get around 20 litre per 100 kms on gas.
Powerdrop is not really that noticable.Unlike some sytems like on Patrols where the tank hangs below in front of the rear diff.
The 2 scuba tanks neatly fit underneath the rear. ( there is then a flat mesh bash plate covering the tanks)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Rovernaut/LPG%20sys/tank.jpg

I have nothing hanging below and cabin space is as per original.
There is a 45 litre petrol tank tucked up in the righthand side quarter panel.
The filler cap is on top of the bumper on the drivers side next to the spare tyre. So I don't have to bend down all the time to fill.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Rovernaut/LPG%20sys/de0550e8.jpg
The Led fuel guage is a strip led light arrangement that is neatly inbedded in the bottom lip of the guage instrument surround. This is a neat and looks almost as if it was part of the car.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Rovernaut/LPG%20sys/bb7f1807.jpg
I get a cruising range of about 380 km per tank.
It appears to start on Petrol and then instantly the gas takes over.
I have a holden airfilter box with some neat plumbing. And Holden air fillters are cheaper too!
Only draw back is 380 kms is not a huge range when going bush, so refilling is a bit of a pain.

[silverhammer]

Rovernaut
The pics are great, thanks for your detailed response. 20L/100km is at the better end of gas economy I've heard of, thats quite OK.

I hope to fit a 120L gas cylinder and retain 85L petrol, hopefully getting 1000km range.

Disco V8s are just too good, eh...lurv the burble. With LPG I can give the big rev without getting a loan!!!

Thanks again, Rovernaut, the willingness of AULRO members is so Aussie!
If you're heading Tassie way, please give me a yell for any assistance.

cheers
Silverhammer

[RR5L]

You could also talk to Smithy in Bayswater, on 9762 2333, talk to Terry, they also seem to know thier Land Rovers.

[Rovernaut]

Silverhammer -Tassie!!!! Great Lakes 'Arthurs Lakes" Miena hotel are some of my most favorite places. I luv the trout fishing!
Gee I miss it. Will have to get there again this year.
Love Hobart too, don't mention it to my friends in Longford. ( South versus North You know what I mean/

[matbor]

Hi silverhammer, where are u going to fit the 120l gas tank ? I'm trying to achieve something similar as I want to retain my 135lt petrol tank for bush driving.

Thanks Rovernaut for the pics.

Matt.

[Rovernaut]

Forgot to mention, system hasn't had any real dramas.
But Fuse blew once, fitter hid it in the driverside kick panel where fuel pump relays are. Hard to find if you didn't know where to look. ( Blew as I was tinkering)
I cleaned and rekitted the converter, "full of heavy ends ", treacle like by product that clogs things, need to periodically drain these.
Blew my MAF due to backfire through the aircleaner box a couple of times due to poor tune only.
Had starting problem on gas, this disappeared by itself when I redid my heads due to oil leak. No one could find the fault. It seemed to go away when I refiited heads??????

And Finally the fuel/switching control module under the dash went and it was a cheap replacement. Fixed and replaced by myself.

[matbor]

Originally posted by Rovernaut
Blew my MAF due to backfire through the aircleaner box a couple of times due to poor tune only.

Any why of preventing this ?

[silverhammer]

Matt
Tankwise, the general plan is to fit the biggest tank possible lengthwise on rear floor up against wheel arch. Then construct beside it one large drawer and a flat floor above both.

Hoping to fit tank 900mm long 400-450mm diameter for usable capacity of 100-120L.

This also the cheapest way, I'm told.

Silverhammer

[matbor]

sounds good, interested to here how much to install and pics of when it is installed because that is what i was thinking of doing.

[Rovernaut]

Originally posted by matbor+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(matbor)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Rovernaut
Blew my MAF due to backfire through the aircleaner box a couple of times due to poor tune only.

Any why of preventing this ?[/b][/quote]
Keep your car intune.
Renew plugs regulary. gas needs a good spark. And keep the foot away from the accelorater when starting

[Kenyan]

I was just about to spent $3,300 on a gas conversion at LPG1, when I called VPW (Vic performance wharehouse) and a bloke there put me onto Gary, at Crane Cams (Adelaide) who then told me to not waste my money, but to purchase & install a Hi-6 ignition system, as just that alone saves up to 30% fuel, due to its very clever firing sequence: upto 12 sparks under acceleration per cyl. for 20deg. crank rotation. Also coming to Australia is a new LPG system that does away with mixers & converters: If you have fuel injection, the injectors are replaced with lpg injectors (that still allow for petrol) and the gas is routed in a closed circuit. The system has been in use in europe for the last 10 years and costs a third of the current systems here in Aus.

[matbor]

sounds interesting, might do some more research.

[Rovernaut]

The System described by Kenyan is a closed loop system. Yep hey have been around in the UK and Europe for many years.
The timing is also controlled by a dual processor that can alter the Spark Map for Petrol and can have an advanced setting for LPG as well.
There is lots of info on LPG and V8s on this site below.
They also have Donut tanks, but when checking this site years ago I notice that a lot of tanks are inside the cargo area , robbing what little room a Disco has already.

http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/

It is also interesting that the Poms pay in the 30p range for LPG, that's over a $1.per litre.

[Ralph1Malph]

Hi all,
I have also recently purchased a V8 Disco and will convert to LPG soon.
I have been looking at using a company called Parnell at www.parnell.com.au The director their owns an LPG disco that was converted in a similar manner to the pics shown here kindly posted by Rovernaut. They charge $3000.00 and use scuba style tanks manufactured by Manchester and a convertor that I forget the name of but was Poly-something brand I think.
I am interested in the closed loop system and would wait for that if it is worthwhile. Anyone know any more? as I have had many LPG sedans in the past and the troublesome bits are the convertors! It seems that many of us are opting for LPG, I know myself and Silverhammer are!
Anyone got any further info on the HI-6 system? I have heard of these before, but considered them to be a little 'magical' due to the lack of quality testimonials.
Keep it up AULRO!
Regards
Ralph

[Kenyan]

I have a file on the LPG liquid inject closed loop system. I am happy to e-mail it to anyone interested. Just provide your e-mail with a subject title: LPG info.
Interesting reading, says that it will actually increase power & torque by 10% whereas the normal system looses 15% .

[matbor]

Originally posted by Kenyan
Also coming to Australia is a new LPG system that does away with mixers & converters: If you have fuel injection, the injectors are replaced with lpg injectors (that still allow for petrol) and the gas is routed in a closed circuit. The system has been in use in europe for the last 10 years and costs a third of the current systems here in Aus.

Just spoke to someone briefly about this and they said it was about $1000 more expensive 8O, not sure it is excatly the one Kenyan is talking about. Also the guy said that not much point putting this system in your car if you don't have oxgyen sensors, which mine doesn't.

A basic quote for my car :
72 gas 45 petrol, takes 2 days $3400

This the option I'll be going for :
3x Scuba tanks = total of 68lt useable $2700 fitted to inside of the car.
With 3x scuba tanks in place it comes to 230 mm high. Donnut tanks are higher and have less capacity.

Fuel excise comes in 2011 and fully implemented in 2016.

Matt.

[Rovernaut]

Matbor, where are you getting it done?

[silverhammer]

Matbor

The need for O2 sensor is my understanding, too. LPGas1 already have an intelligent LPG system for vehicles with sensors (as tested in 4WDMonthly and 4X4 mags, a 4.5L Nissan Patrol I think).

But I've also been told that there is a European system with its own ECU & sensor. Perhaps this is the one Kenyan is referring to!!!

Silverhammer

[matbor]

Originally posted by Rovernaut
Matbor, where are you getting it done?

Have been told by a lot of people to go to LPGas 1... still shopping though, want have the cash until mid year anyway !!!



also i think u are right that the expensive unit that LPGas1 is talking about, is not the one we mention here.... but for older cars I don't think you need the more expensive system.

Matt.

[Rovernaut]

Matbor, mines a 96 Disco, I have no cats or oxy sensors, hence the system i have installed.
An aquaitance had a new Commodore fitted with LPG and I think his was gas injected.