I didnt know things were this bad!!!!!!!!

[Ace]

I got these figures from the LROC Magazine. These are sales figures comparing Land Rover sales with Toyota sales. Its, not good so if you scare easily or have a weak heart look away now.

I have included the highest sales recorded in a month and the lowest sales recorded, this is for the year 2004.- these are nationwide.

Freelander- Highest- 50 (March), Lowest- 14 (November)
Rav 4- Highest 1371 (March), Lowest- 966 (April)

Discovery- Highest- 231 (Feb), Lowest- 94 (November)
Prado- Highest- 1796 (June), Lowest- 1052 (Jan)

Defender- Highest- 45 (October), Lowest- 12 (Jan)
Land Cruiser- Highest- 1460 (June), Lowest- 971 (Jan)

Range Rover- Highest- 51 (March), Lowest- 19 (Nov and Dec)
Lexus LX470- Highest- 49 (Sept), Lowest- 19 (October)

Defender Ute- Highest- 12 (March), Lowest- 0 (Dec)
Cruiser Ute- Highest- 1822 (June), Lowest- 829 (Jan)

The total sales for a month

Land Rover- Best month- 336 (Feb), Worst Month- 158 (Nov)
Toyota- Best month- 6472 (June), Worst Month- 3860 (Jan)

Not really good is it! Land Rover have a lot of answering to do. Not only are they withdrawing dealerships left right and centre, their already poor advertising routine is getting worse. Lets hope Discovery 3 breathes life into Australias love of Land Rovers. Matt

[Bushie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Lets hope Discovery 3 breathes life into Australias love of Land Rovers.[/b][/quote]

Don't see how it will, when 99.999% of Australia won't know it exists.


Bushie

[Ace]

Originally posted by Bushie
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Lets hope Discovery 3 breathes life into Australias love of Land Rovers.

Don't see how it will, when 99.999% of Australia won't know it exists.


Bushie[/b][/quote]

Lets hope Ford forks out some dollars and pays for some adds, Overlander 4wdoty wont be enough to sell as many as they need to. Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

the reason for those figures is simple.

you dont need to buy a landy every three years.

they dont die.

[Ace]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
the reason for those figures is simple.

you dont need to buy a landy every three years.

they dont die.

Thats a good point. People who tend to buy land rovers do so generally because they love the brand. People who buy toyos gnerally do so as a mode of transport and are more likely to trade up at 40000km or whatever. In saying this, Land Rover needs to steel these customers from toyo, more second hand disco's etc to choose from for us. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[slaughts]

My biggest fear with buying either a Defender or Disco is the worry about reliablity. Can I get the same as a Toyota. I know part of the fun of owning an old landy is being able to work on it yourself etc, but if I am buying something fairly new I don't want to be constantly spending weekends repairing it. I know this is blasfimy, but this is the image problem that Land Rover has.

[Ace]

Originally posted by slaughts
My biggest fear with buying either a Defender or Disco is the worry about reliablity. Can I get the same as a Toyota. I know part of the fun of owning an old landy is being able to work on it yourself etc, but if I am buying something fairly new I don't want to be constantly spending weekends repairing it. I know this is blasfimy, but this is the image problem that Land Rover has.

Unfortunately you are right slaughts, lets hope Ford turns this around, they seem to be quite serious about it. They have threatened closure of the Solihull plant when workers refused to change their ways. Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

the reason people are doing their own repairs is that they have had the thing that long and its cheaper.

the others need to change cars every three years to keep in warranty...they dont last much longer than that.

[Lucy]

Originally posted by slaughts
My biggest fear with buying either a Defender or Disco is the worry about reliablity. Can I get the same as a Toyota. I know part of the fun of owning an old landy is being able to work on it yourself etc, but if I am buying something fairly new I don't want to be constantly spending weekends repairing it. I know this is blasfimy, but this is the image problem that Land Rover has.

Landrovers are not any more or less reliable than Toyota, the main problem that I have seen is that LRA and the dealers don't offer the after sales service that Toyota does.

My parents have a 100 series cruiser, numerous problems, but all fixed very quickly by Toyota with no hassles. Try getting that from Landrover!

Toyota just work harder to protect their image of reliability

[slaughts]

Yes, and when you only get 2 year warranties compared to the 3 years plus with other makes. It only adds to that rep.

[Lucy]

Originally posted by slaughts
Yes, and when you only get 2 year warranties compared to the 3 years plus with other makes. It only adds to that rep. :?: :?: :?:

Our S2 Discovery came with a 3 year warranty.

[Frenchie]

In 3 years and nearly 100,000km my Defender has been very reliable and I have found the after sales service to be very good. LR warranties are all 3 years now (and have been for a while). I think I have only lifted the bonnet twice in 3 years.

Don't know what the fuss is about. :roll:

[OldDog]

Originally posted by Lucy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lucy)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-slaughts
My biggest fear with buying either a Defender or Disco is the worry about reliablity. Can I get the same as a Toyota. I know part of the fun of owning an old landy is being able to work on it yourself etc, but if I am buying something fairly new I don't want to be constantly spending weekends repairing it. I know this is blasfimy, but this is the image problem that Land Rover has.


Toyota just work harder to protect their image of reliability[/b][/quote]

Damn right, we use Toyo's exclusively in the mine and i can tell you these latest ones are nowhere near as good as the old ones, but they have a bloody good image as being reliable so we just keep buyin 'em. The closest analogy i can think of is Harley Davidson in the mid-seventies, those things were absolute crap. By the early Eighties with a lot of PR work and an improved product things changed..........look at 'em now! They're like rsholes style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif LR (ok F*rd) could do the same with Disco 3. Just my 2 bobs worth.

[Lucy]

Originally posted by OldDog
we use Toyo's exclusively in the mine

Which mine? When I worked for ZC/NBHC in Broken Hill which then becam Pasminco, they wouldn't touch them, used only Nissan Patrols, lasted about 5000km before needing to be replaced (the ones that were used underground anyway), thought they did the same at Cobar as it was the same company with the same management (Dad was in charge of stores, was back and forth from the Hill to Cobar every week). He retired about 3 years ago, after selling off everything when the guys from WA came in.

[Ace]

I, like mentioned above, dont think LR are any less reliable, the build quality is less. But that is just little trim bits and pieces. However I dont think Toyo are better at after sales service, it merely depends on who your dealer is. Remember also that if half of all dealers are good, that still leaves a helluva alot more toyo dealers that are better than Land Rover dealers. If things keep going the way they are people wont buy Land Rovers because of two reasons. 1) They will have to travel to far to buy the vehicle, not everyone lives near a major city. 2) They will have to travel to far to get it serviced by the dealer.

With a toyo you are assured that what ever town you drive into there will either be a toyo dealer or someone who know how to work on them. Not so with Land Rover. What land rover need to do is establish a parts network throughout Oz, make partnerships with centres in outback Oz, so that when people go touring, they know they will be able to get service. Matt

[Lucy]

Matt, you are right, and the dealer/parts/service network is most likely to be.......

FORD!!

and the take a look at the other threads regarding ford and Landrovers :?

[Ace]

Originally posted by Lucy
Matt, you are right, and the dealer/parts/service network is most likely to be.......

FORD!!

and the take a look at the other threads regarding ford and Landrovers :?

Yes but its not us we have to worry about, we are more than capable of looking around or doing the work ourselves. What the concern is, is that no one is just wanting to buy a 4wd and looking at all the options. I bet 90% of new 4wd buyers dont even think of land rover, its not in their face like the other brands. If there is more of a network then it will be in their face. I do agree that Ford dealers have alot to answer for interms of their knowledge of land rovers, but i think with time and experienc things will improve. I am sure there are land rover dealers around with less ability than some of the ford dealers, and vice versa. Its really 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Just dont go to D&J Ford in Lithgow. I have found the Dealer in Bathurst is quite good, and they are ford aswell. Matt