D3 reliability woes

[noddy]

Who else in NSW read yesterday's Drive section in the Sydney Morning Herald??

In short, Drive did a review of the D3 (V8), X5 (3.0p), Prado (V6p), Towrag (V6), Paj (V6).

X5 won....while being barely acceptable off-road they believe no-one else has come close to matching its on-road performance/dynamics.

D3....air suspension **** itself 200km from civilisation and dropped to its bump stops :cry: Sorry, but in a brand new $81,000 motor car that is unacceptable. They do not believe the hole in the air line was as a result of a stone (would not matter if it was). Eventually, even turning a blind eye to the D3's reliability issue (putting it down to an early batch of pre-production vehicles) it only came equal second with the Prado. They thought it was excessively heavy and had poor fuel consumption on the test. (I think it was a bit of mismatch having a V8 Disco versus all V6 vehicles, but where was the V6 Disco?).

The only other thing was the V-dubbs power steering failed, which provided a relaibility companion for the D3.

LR need to develop some smart marketing campaigns to change these embedded perceptions around Landy reliability...

[hiline]

same old same old :oops: :oops:

need to get their act together

one of these days or years maybe :? :?

[noddy]

It was the LR dealer in Morwell who diagnosed and fixed the air line.

Will be interesting to see whether Morwell is one of the dealers on the 'hit-list' and whether they can get a reprieve?

Who would be the next largest dealer to Morwell?

[hiline]

wouldn't have a clue sorry noddy

but carn't be many left now :cry: :cry:

[one_iota]

I read it and wept.

The review was luke warm at best.

But Motoring Journos have families to feed and Newspapers have to sell newsprint. So a shock horror story will help.

I bet LRA's response will be conspicuous by its absence.

[Redback]

The first of any new vehicle is always prone to problems.

[hiline]

but land rover seem to be the worst at it :oops: :oops:

[Redback]

Someone is always the best at something :roll: just a shame LR is the best at this. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[hiline]

you would think the way the world is with all the technology

this would be better

[Redback]

Yep had time to perfect things i feel, going the same way as pommie motorbikes will they never learn style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[hiline]

lets just hope its a minor hick up style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

I am not really worried about it. You can really blame a hole in a suspension air hose on Land Rover. Unless they made the hose of course. For one its not mechanical, and its not like TR failed. Lets just hope its just one of those things. Matt

[Reads90]

All i am going to Say is the Words

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Nuff said really style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by Reads90
All i am going to Say is the Words

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Nuff said really style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Dont be like that Reads. Have there been any problems in the UK, as not being available to the public yet we cant really guage it yet. Matt

[Reads90]

Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Reads90
All i am going to Say is the Words

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Nuff said really style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Dont be like that Reads. Have there been any problems in the UK, as not being available to the public yet we cant really guage it yet. Matt[/b][/quote]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Nah nice looking truck
Loads on the road here, Have seen them on the road here since March last year, when they were doing test drives out of the factory. Chap told me they were driven around for 24 hours a day and were trying to get them up to 500,000 miles before they were reslied for sale

Everything has problem when it first comes out, just hope they are not too many and they get sorted and it does not end up like the 38A

[rmp]

This is the problem LR has. It's of their own making, but it's still a problem nevertheless and if they recognise it as a problem they appear to be in a quandary.

If anything goes wrong with an LR the assumption is it's a design fault and happens constantly to many vehicles and is indicative wide problems.

Now if say a Prado's diff blew up, that would be viewed as an aberrance because as we know Toyota build quality is good (and most people don't differentiate between build quality and strength).

The automotive sins of the ancestors are visited on their descendants, and that is to LR's detriment.

Now the enlightened few actually do a bit of research and find, like I did, that a late-model Landie is not going to fall apart at the seams. You may experience a few build quality issues, but they can be fixed and the fundamental vehicle is reliable and strong.

I also wonder about LR's consistently low standing in reliability surveys, and wonder if the figures are skewed by a disproportionate amount of relatively trivial malfunctions such as defects with trim panels. While these shouldn't happen, I'd be interested to how some statistics on how many reliability issues actually stopped the people concerned from getting home.

Your Sunday morning sermon thus ends.

[hiline]

Your Sunday morning sermon thus ends.

thank-you father rmp :wink: :wink:

praise the lord

long live land rover style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[rmp]

You're all blessed

<sprinkles the holy radiator fluid>

[hiline]

thats what i tell the wife , she's blessed to have me 8O 8O

but she doesn't,t believe me :wink:

[barney]

i remember an instance at one of the 4wd shows where they told us drivers that the nissan GU was to take a certain obstacle very wide otherwise the rear bumper would hit and the taillight would pop out.

look at toyota's 100series IFS problem, front suspension falling apart.
they are just two off the top of my head, i'm sure there's more from all manufacturers.
i'd like to be optomistic and give them the benefit of doubt. the 4x4 australia and overlander guys would have put them through a harder time than drive and they had no failures there.
one failure does not spoil the whole batch, granted, it could be a design or manufacturing problem but i think it would be best to wait and see before anyone jumps to any conclusions

[hiline]

i really don't care what anybody says

if i had that kind of money, i'd buy one tomorrow
i guess it comes for being a crazed landy nut :wink:

[one_iota]

These days, as they say: "perception is 9/10th's of reality".

I don't like that rule but that is reality and LR need to deal with the perception.

LRA if they had the balls would take up the challenge because this is one of the last countries in the world that can justify the use of a 4wd outside of an urban environment.

Maybe we should all move inland!

[one_iota]

Having dealt with the political:

I have driven 4500km in the last month without mechanical incident and naked of roadside support. All of this in a nine year old Land Rover with 140000 km on the clock.

Oh yes I have a curled dash.

I could have driven the company Holden and not have seen more than one tenth.

[rmp]

Originally posted by one_iota
Having dealt with the political:

I have driven 4500km in the last month without mechanical incident and naked of roadside support. All of this in a nine year old Land Rover with 140000 km on the clock.

Oh yes I have a curled dash.

I could have driven the company Holden and not have seen more than one tenth.

I don't follow the last sentence?

[one_iota]

The company car doesn't go off road!

[Ace]

I think the comments above, regarding Land Rovers need to do something about the publics perceptions of Land Rover and their reliability issues.

First of all most people mistake poor build quality (interior fittments mostly) with poor reliability, and as mentioned above is Land Rovers poor record simply as a result of just counting the amount of vehicles that have had warranty work done? Was the work done specified as being mechincal or merely the odd rattle or squeak?

Second, Land Rover need to push the fact that they have faith in the reliability of their vehicles by upping the warranty, somewhat like ****ubishi has done. A guy wrote a letter to 4wd Monthly regarding his extremely bad run with his Land Rover SII Disco TD5. Most of the complaints he had were wear and tear. He whinged about the air suspension needing replacing, saying this was poor build quality. If the vehicle had done 10000km I would agree, however the vehicle had travelled over ten times this distance (in the same issue the 4wd Monthly boys wrote an artice about buying used 4wds with electronic gadgets etc- a quote in the article "any air suspension system will get suss after 100000km" or something close to that. His windscreen needed replacing 4 times after an indpendent contractor used by the dealership couldnt get it right, agian not land rover's fault. So now 4wd Monthly has published this guys letter to stir **** and all the readers immediately think all land rovers are ****. Why arent Land Rover people reading the magazine reading and writing in responses to defend their product. I wrote two letter, do you think they will be published, i doubt it.

Lastly, we need more dealerships not less. People wont buy a vehicle if they cant get the warranty work done. And given LR's image this isnt good.

Ok, i will step down. Who is next on the soap box. Matt

[barney]

you're dead right.
4wd monthly may print your letter/s ut they will add their own smartarse comment at the bottom putting **** on landy.
eve this months issue, which has one of our member's cars on the cover, they did a big article on his defender and every second page, they managed to get a dig in about the same old cliche^d assumptions that so many people are prone to believe.

quote from 4wdmonthly; "land rovers are a pretty damn capable 4WD straight out of the box- and they fit perfectly into boxes too"
then in the next paragraph commenting on the wheel arch eyebrow extensions "...thinkin' outside the square (box) corey"

also in the latest issue is the letter from a guy who is bewildered by his poor fuel consumption on a recent trip. normally he gets around 12L/100km but on this trip he gotnearly 15L/100km, without reading 4wdmonthly's reply, i guessed it had something to do with the tinny on top of his 130. very funny

[Redback]

Just remember guys these mags are only one persons opinion the guy who tested the car, sometimes there is more than one tester also it all comes down to which manufacturer gives the best freebies to the testers and the mag :twisted:

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by rmp
You're all blessed

<sprinkles the holy radiator fluid>

and leaves the Landy to sprinkle it's own "holy oil" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif