D4 faster than 200series? Youtube video.

[Reevo]

Looks like the D4 is far quicker! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kapOaNA_UUY

[BobD]

Nice video. I will have to try to find the rest of the test and have a look.


When travelling in convoy with a 200 series with similar setup of touring gear and roof top tent, I was always backing off when following the 200 and overtaking slower vehicles on the open road. I also used less fuel at every fuel stop. My car is a 2010 D4 3.0SE.


I had a couple of drags with my son in law's 4.8 petrol Patrol in the NT last year. He had a roof top tent and I had a 1800kg camper trailer. I left him for dead on both occasions. This was starting from about 60kph, not standing start and the first time he reckoned he was in the wrong gear and wanted a rerun!

Bob

[LandyAndy]

Brilliant.
Andrew

[Graeme]

I suspect a 200 driver tried to get away from me yesterday on a few km section of local dirt back-road that resembled a rally course. My on-demand 30mm lift came handy on the rougher sections that also triggered TC but his dust was my limiting factor. I might have to grab the video before it gets over-written.

Edit: Not a 200, only its litte brother.

[Ferret]

Don't really know what any of that proves really. Both vehicles are non standard.


Engine Mods:
LandCruiser: Exhaust, Chip, Intercooler.
D4: Engine Remap.

[nat_89]

Great cant wait to see the rest of the videos!!

[Tombie]

Handy if you ever need to outrun a 200 series on a Station track I guess...

[BobD]

Interesting that the 200 was slightly faster off the line and then the D4 took over. Probably because speed on gravel means nothing to a D4, especially with Llams at +30, but the 200 backed off because it was too rough!!


Bob

[CSBrisie]

8 speed auto v's 6 speed too?

[101RRS]

Interesting that the 200 was slightly faster off the line and then the D4 took over.

Toyota develops max torque about 600 revs lower than the D4.

[Celtoid]

Toyota develops max torque about 600 revs lower than the D4.


I'm not questioning that stat but hasn't it been proven that the LC200 is on paper more powerful and has more torque but its ECU/drivetrain drinks up the 'advantage' .... which is why they are supposedly slower than a D4 in the real world ... as in being driven on the road.


It's a question.

[scarry]

My poverty pack, loaded D4 was left behind by a diesel, late model, empty low lux on the Toowoomba range a few weeks ago.:(

I convinced myself that it was probably chipped:)

When empty it will leave a mates empty LC V8 tray back for dead....:)

[shanegtr]

I'm surprised at the fact that a tv show has done a back to back comparison with a LR! Normally they would be the last on the list

[Bytemrk]

I've never driven a 200 Series, but without a doubt, the D4 is the hardest accelerating 3 tonne truck I have ever driven. :angel:

[nat_89]

I've never driven a 200 Series, but without a doubt, the D4 is the hardest accelerating 3 tonne truck I have ever driven. :angel:

I drove a new ML63 AMG the other week :angel: wow that was a machine and boy did it go amazing :eek: i almost wanted one haha!!

[coolum]

Donkeys to Donkeys - the donkey wins, but its still 'just a winning donkey'.


Why would this be of any interest to anyone - really. how many Landrover Drivers pull up next to a Tojo at the lights and even consider the thought that you could blow this bloke to the weeds? if you have, your in the wrong vehicle for the current surge of testosterone.


For a start we do have speed limits in the real world and if your doing these speeds on dirt roads you could be a looney anyway - especially if its loaded with the full swag - we all know that dirt roads tend to be changeable.


There are plenty of other comparisons that actually mean something to the driver - albeit less than 1% of the driving experience (in actual Km's travelled).


I would be more interested to see what else they come up with, hopefully better than this lame stat.


apologies for my 2 bobs worth


Steve

[nat_89]

Donkeys to Donkeys - the donkey wins, but its still 'just a winning donkey'.


Why would this be of any interest to anyone - really. how many Landrover Drivers pull up next to a Tojo at the lights and even consider the thought that you could blow this bloke to the weeds? if you have, your in the wrong vehicle for the current surge of testosterone.


For a start we do have speed limits in the real world and if your doing these speeds on dirt roads you could be a looney anyway - especially if its loaded with the full swag - we all know that dirt roads tend to be changeable.


There are plenty of other comparisons that actually mean something to the driver - albeit less than 1% of the driving experience (in actual Km's travelled).


I would be more interested to see what else they come up with, hopefully better than this lame stat.


apologies for my 2 bobs worth


Steve

I like drag racing away from the lights :angel: good fun it is :D

[BobD]

If I really want to drag race at the lights I can win against almost every car on my BMW K1600GT motorcycle. Just a bit of fun with the drag racing comparison of different 4WD's. As others have said, it doesn't mean anything in reality.


Bob

[nat_89]

That's right but it's always a bit of fun giving it a boot away from the lights.

[coolum]

If your 45 - 60 y/o + and in a donkey unleashing a bit of excess testo - if caught, then you'll get a fine and a -us a few points.


If your under 30, in anything more than an automotive joke (A to B car), you'll get a hoon law thrown at you .. and have the car dismembered and inserted in your colon piece by piece.


Peace out.

[HJF]

I love nothing more than planting the foot off the lights, the sound of the V8 and the surge that comes from the twin turbo's is fantastic. If I can blow off a prado, landcruiser or patrol then why not. But once I have made my point and enjoy the power I generally settle back and just cruise

[winaje]

If your 45 - 60 y/o + and in a donkey unleashing a bit of excess testo - if caught, then you'll get a fine and a -us a few points.


If your under 30, in anything more than an automotive joke (A to B car), you'll get a hoon law thrown at you .. and have the car dismembered and inserted in your colon piece by piece.


Peace out.

I would be VERY interested to see how a hoon law could be applied IF:
There was no wheel spin
The lane was adhered to
The speed limit was not breached

[Eevo]

I would be VERY interested to see how a hoon law could be applied IF:
There was no wheel spin
The lane was adhered to
The speed limit was not breached

in SA it can be.
excessive acceleration.
fanging it though the hills.

[scarry]

I've never driven a 200 Series, but without a doubt, the D4 is the hardest accelerating 3 tonne truck I have ever driven. :angel:

I stamped on the gas in a mates 4.2 V8 TD Audi,now that was incredible.

Probably weighs a bit less than three ton though.

Oh,and the D4 would kill it up a sand dune:D

It is shod with 22' rims which is not real good for comfort,the D4 is way better,even with LT's.

[coolum]

Next time your sitting next to a Hwy Patrol bloke at a set of lights (even if they are in an unmarked tojo)
Try this experiment.


Slam the pedal to the metal - but only up the speed limit.


WHEN the cop pulls you over and books you - in preparation for the insertion of metal parts - try saying


"Your just P__ed off because I beat you in the heap of crap your driving".


let us all know how you go.. lol


There are plenty of ways to make life interesting. Some of them are not the best option, but the roar of a v8 is very primal so who can resist.

[crawal]

Mate , has a new 200 that has been chipped and 3 1/2 " exhaust , sounds like a V8 and goes better than my disco 3 , but not as good as the bosses SRT , it lifts the front when you give it the boot, cant go that well off road though ...

[nat_89]

I stamped on the gas in a mates 4.2 V8 TD Audi,now that was incredible.

Probably weighs a bit less than three ton though.

Oh,and the D4 would kill it up a sand dune:D

It is shod with 22' rims which is not real good for comfort,the D4 is way better,even with LT's.

Those V8 TD Q7s are super fast and amazing that engine although not very good off road i guess there made generally for thundering up the autobahns in Europe but still a fast car.

Although the D4s arnt super fast still a good rush when you give it a boot plus they can handle off road to!!

[~Rich~]

I stamped on the gas in a mates 4.2 V8 TD Audi,now that was incredible.

Probably weighs a bit less than three ton though.



Yeah I had a ride in a Towrag R50, 5ltr V10 twin turbo.

2640kg / 258kW - 850Nm

Goes like the clappers.

[scarry]

Those V8 TD Q7s are super fast and amazing that engine although not very good off road i guess there made generally for thundering up the autobahns in Europe but still a fast car.

Although the D4s arnt super fast still a good rush when you give it a boot plus they can handle off road to!!

I was surprised it actually has air suspension,with different settings.

And a bigger fuel tank than the D4.

Off road,absolutely no hope,no comparison at all to a Disco.

[shanegtr]

If your 45 - 60 y/o + and in a donkey unleashing a bit of excess testo - if caught, then you'll get a fine and a -us a few points.


If your under 30, in anything more than an automotive joke (A to B car), you'll get a hoon law thrown at you .. and have the car dismembered and inserted in your colon piece by piece.


Peace out.
So what happens if your aged between 30 and 45 then?

[PAT303]

The D4 won because the D4D de-rated as soon as the torque exceeded the gearbox limit. Pat

[nat_89]

Yeah I had a ride in a Towrag R50, 5ltr V10 twin turbo.

2640kg / 258kW - 850Nm

Goes like the clappers.

Very similar figures to the V8 TTD Q7 Audi engine not much difference at all in power and torque figures if i remember correctly

[nat_89]

I was surprised it actually has air suspension,with different settings.

And a bigger fuel tank than the D4.

Off road,absolutely no hope,no comparison at all to a Disco.

Im pretty sure they have a 5 suspension settings with the air suspension and I'm not sure how high it goes although its not to far off the D4 for clearance. I believe they have about 100L of fuel which i would love the D4s to get.

I know a friend with a Q7 who took it down on the beach for some fun and was quite surprised by it although i think he had the 18" rims with Goodyear Wranglers on it although i think that would be about as good as it gets they are no where near a D4 off road and i dont really think they market that way!! But that V8 TTD is a stinking great engine!!

[scarry]

Im pretty sure they have a 5 suspension settings with the air suspension and I'm not sure how high it goes although its not to far off the D4 for clearance. I believe they have about 100L of fuel which i would love the D4s to get.

I know a friend with a Q7 who took it down on the beach for some fun and was quite surprised by it although i think he had the 18" rims with Goodyear Wranglers on it although i think that would be about as good as it gets they are no where near a D4 off road and i dont really think they market that way!! But that V8 TTD is a stinking great engine!!

Yep,forgot about that,it can fit 18" genuine rims,not like the D4.

No where near the room in it compared with a D4 either.

Yes the off road height is pretty high,but i haven't compared it to the D4

That V8 is excellent on fuel as well.

[TerryO]

It would be interesting to see how a reprogrammed 3.0 D4 goes against a standard V8 D4? ... :p

My money is on the V8. ... ;)

[Slunnie]

Very similar figures to the V8 TTD Q7 Audi engine not much difference at all in power and torque figures if i remember correctly
You should drive the SQ5. Its significantly quicker with the 3.0 twin turbo V6 diesel. Its a great vehicle!

[nat_89]

You should drive the SQ5. Its significantly quicker with the 3.0 twin turbo V6 diesel. Its a great vehicle!

I shall have a drive very soon as my mate who has a Q7 is trading it in on an SQ5 in the new few weeks so I'll have a burn. Although I know there super fast I can only guess it will be a bit rough!! As he has a Q7 and a Q5 on 20s and its rough so the SQ5 with sports suspension might be rugged!!

[nat_89]

Yep,forgot about that,it can fit 18" genuine rims,not like the D4.

No where near the room in it compared with a D4 either.

Yes the off road height is pretty high,but i haven't compared it to the D4

That V8 is excellent on fuel as well.

Nah I seriously looked into a Q7 before the D4 and the room inside is just cheap there is hardly any room in the front for storage and in the rear its so low even in the back seats you can't sit up like it would be kids only!!

Both Diesel engines are great on fuel Audi do make a good diesel!!

[Rich84]

I shall have a drive very soon as my mate who has a Q7 is trading it in on an SQ5 in the new few weeks so I'll have a burn. Although I know there super fast I can only guess it will be a bit rough!! As he has a Q7 and a Q5 on 20s and its rough so the SQ5 with sports suspension might be rugged!!



I saw one nail it a few weeks ago - was blown away by how good it sounded!!

[nat_89]

I saw one nail it a few weeks ago - was blown away by how good it sounded!!

Well I've driven my mates Q5 3.0L V6 TD and thats pretty quick and sounds good that thing but ill wait and see the SQ5!! Ill check out some acceleration videos on youtube haha :D

[Rich84]

Well I've driven my mates Q5 3.0L V6 TD and thats pretty quick and sounds good that thing but ill wait and see the SQ5!! Ill check out some acceleration videos on youtube haha :D



I love my 2.7 RRS, but I have to laugh when people 'race' 4wd's. After all, no one really cares as long as they perform acceptably. I'm sure that's not just me? Just like I don't really care which out of a Porsche 911 or a Ferrari 458 italia would perform better on the Gibb River Road. You already know they're both going to suck.


My last car was a stage 3 B5 Audi S4 putting down ~366awkw. 0-100 in under 4 seconds and a quarter in the 11's - in an understated looking sport sedan, no gay spoilers or anything, no lumpy idle. For the stop light drag it would take nearly any car on the road by surprise, even supercars!


THAT was a blast.


In comparison I remember about a year ago I had an edge-of-the-seat race in the RRS up the freeway vs a Toyota Prius. I manually shifted to fourth because the autobox was holding third way too long and the diesel has no grunt up high. I think that's what lost me the race.

[TerryO]

You got blown away by a Prius as well? ... the one that got me was a Taxi and it had fifteen Pakistani tourists in it ... I agree doesn't it just suck! ... :angel:

By the way anything that goes sub 4 to 100 is freaking fast, that must have been fun. ... :p and my bet is on the Porsche 911 on the Gibb River Rd. ...;)

[powerd]

The big downside for the Disco is the weight. The 3.0 SDV6 is a great engine, but it is carting around some serious kilos. Will be interesting to see what happens with the next generation when it is gone on the RR diet. Should help the fuel economy too.

Just look at the performance of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and its great fuel economy, 8 speed gearbox like the Disco but a few hundred kilos less.

Meantime, I never met a kilowatt I didn't love. But if you want to go really fast, get a motorcycle or stay at home - apart from Rich84 and his supersleeper S4. Usually the lads in hot WRXs and whumpetty V8s get disposed of without even nearing redline.

[nat_89]

The big downside for the Disco is the weight. The 3.0 SDV6 is a great engine, but it is carting around some serious kilos. Will be interesting to see what happens with the next generation when it is gone on the RR diet. Should help the fuel economy too.

Just look at the performance of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and its great fuel economy, 8 speed gearbox like the Disco but a few hundred kilos less.

Meantime, I never met a kilowatt I didn't love. But if you want to go really fast, get a motorcycle or stay at home - apart from Rich84 and his supersleeper S4. Usually the lads in hot WRXs and whumpetty V8s get disposed of without even nearing redline.

Thats right the SDV6 is a sweet sweet engine and I'm agreeing there hopefully it gets some good weight shed off it and that really makes a big difference to performance and fuel economy!!

My mates Q7 is great on fuel and pretty slippery to when you stick the boot in and i think its like 170kw and 550nm cant remember he's got one of the first ones but it still feels like it wants to go!


I love my 2.7 RRS, but I have to laugh when people 'race' 4wd's. After all, no one really cares as long as they perform acceptably. I'm sure that's not just me? Just like I don't really care which out of a Porsche 911 or a Ferrari 458 italia would perform better on the Gibb River Road. You already know they're both going to suck.


My last car was a stage 3 B5 Audi S4 putting down ~366awkw. 0-100 in under 4 seconds and a quarter in the 11's - in an understated looking sport sedan, no gay spoilers or anything, no lumpy idle. For the stop light drag it would take nearly any car on the road by surprise, even supercars!


THAT was a blast.


In comparison I remember about a year ago I had an edge-of-the-seat race in the RRS up the freeway vs a Toyota Prius. I manually shifted to fourth because the autobox was holding third way too long and the diesel has no grunt up high. I think that's what lost me the race.


Definitely agree there really to me performance isn't that big of an issue when buying a 4WD i had a TD 150 Prado Auto it was slow as but seemed to feel pretty acceptable when getting going.

As for the RRS i can imagine you would love the SDV6 3L they are so good to drive such a nice engine the torque is just so smooth and sweet i love it. I love giving it a boot away from the lights other than that it doesn't really bother me the speed.

Thats what i tried to tell my mate when he wants an SQ5 i said really its not that important i personally think it will be rough as crap for out back roads out in central QLD but anyway i said a Rangie Evoque would be great for what he needs long distance highway KMs although I've never been in an Evoque i imagine they would be pretty comfortable and smooth.

Ohh that Audi sounds like a machine!

[Rich84]

You got blown away by a Prius as well? ... the one that got me was a Taxi and it had fifteen Pakistani tourists in it ... I agree doesn't it just suck! ... :angel:

By the way anything that goes sub 4 to 100 is freaking fast, that must have been fun. ... :p and my bet is on the Porsche 911 on the Gibb River Rd. ...;)



ha! yes this one was a conservative looking bloke driving. Both empty cars so I can't offer any excuses... the sun was in my eyes? Autobox was in the wrong gear? (it was...)


At the end of the day it's a relaxed car that likes being driven in a relaxed way. Not really an autobahn stormer! The 3.0 might be different, I've never driven it, but for the first time in my life I wasn't obsessed with power when buying my Sport - I could've had the SUPERCHARGED model for similar coin (2 years older though) but for what I wanted the TDV6 was the perfect option, or maybe the TDV8, but at that point they were $15K more and I didn't want to dish that out.


It's not like I need more demerit points anyway! :twisted:


The Audi was fantastic, I had a ball with it and so now is the new owner. I sold it at the right time though. Can pick up a similar one for half the price or less now. I did a few trips from Adelaide to Cairns in it and realised that I needed something that was more suitable for that sort of thing, with longer range, way more room, good economy and most importantly, me not being worried if I hit a floodway in it, or bottoming out in road train ruts on some of the dirt roads around Aramac and Torrens Creek. Or the fact that the cast alloy sump was practically the lowest point on the car.


So yes it's funny you should mention central QLD! Love it out there, but the roads are at best, not great. At worst they are bloody awful. SQ5 might be great out there, but you seriously need some underbody protection, and the german stuff doesn't have it unless you buy an ML with the off-road pack (which there are NONE of second hand). RRS was the only car I looked at that adequately squared away my desire to do off-roading while also knowing that over 99% of my driving is on-road.

I may pick up another S4 if I find one cheap that needs work, someone's gotta keep those WRXs and EVOs in line!! :twisted:

[Tombie]

When I want sub 4s to 100 I get on the bike.
Beyond that the D4 is a pleasure to drive, does everything it should and more.
Boy racing a 2700kg brick is stupidity.

[nat_89]

ha! yes this one was a conservative looking bloke driving. Both empty cars so I can't offer any excuses... the sun was in my eyes? Autobox was in the wrong gear? (it was...)


At the end of the day it's a relaxed car that likes being driven in a relaxed way. Not really an autobahn stormer! The 3.0 might be different, I've never driven it, but for the first time in my life I wasn't obsessed with power when buying my Sport - I could've had the SUPERCHARGED model for similar coin (2 years older though) but for what I wanted the TDV6 was the perfect option, or maybe the TDV8, but at that point they were $15K more and I didn't want to dish that out.


It's not like I need more demerit points anyway! :twisted:


The Audi was fantastic, I had a ball with it and so now is the new owner. I sold it at the right time though. Can pick up a similar one for half the price or less now. I did a few trips from Adelaide to Cairns in it and realised that I needed something that was more suitable for that sort of thing, with longer range, way more room, good economy and most importantly, me not being worried if I hit a floodway in it, or bottoming out in road train ruts on some of the dirt roads around Aramac and Torrens Creek. Or the fact that the cast alloy sump was practically the lowest point on the car.


So yes it's funny you should mention central QLD! Love it out there, but the roads are at best, not great. At worst they are bloody awful. SQ5 might be great out there, but you seriously need some underbody protection, and the german stuff doesn't have it unless you buy an ML with the off-road pack (which there are NONE of second hand). RRS was the only car I looked at that adequately squared away my desire to do off-roading while also knowing that over 99% of my driving is on-road.

I may pick up another S4 if I find one cheap that needs work, someone's gotta keep those WRXs and EVOs in line!! :twisted:

The roads are rank in central QLD i said i think it would be too rough with sports suspension and 21s but thats up to him he seems to have turned into an Audi fanatic and won't change to anything else under any circumstances at all but good luck with it haha!!

I love how comfy my D4 is over the rough stuff just so nice!!

[Peteren]

I've just stepped out of a MY10 200 series into a MY15 D4 and in my very limited experience with the D4 to date the D4 runs away from the cruiser at highway overtaking speeds.
The pull from 80 to 140 kph is far better than any standard Toyota 4x4 diesel

[nat_89]

I've just stepped out of a MY10 200 series into a MY15 D4 and in my very limited experience with the D4 to date the D4 runs away from the cruiser at highway overtaking speeds.
The pull from 80 to 140 kph is far better than any standard Toyota 4x4 diesel

They certainly are a great car I'm sure as time goes by and you get more and more time behind the wheel of your D4 you'll just fall more in love with it as most people do and will find it hard to ever drive anything else they just such a great car!

[Billandy1]

When I want sub 4s to 100 I get on the bike.
Beyond that the D4 is a pleasure to drive, does everything it should and more.
Boy racing a 2700kg brick is stupidity.

+1 to that Tombie

[TerryO]

Each to their own and a number of the original comments in this fairly old thread were said tongue in cheek so there was no need originally for anyone to say people are stupid.

As for so called fast motorbikes that's no big deal either and in this conversation pretty much irrelevant, anyone today can buy a sub 0-100 4 second road bike for a few thousand dollars if they wanted to.
Actual fast road bikes do it in low 2's and the quarter in mid 9's in standard road registrable off the shelf trim. So 4's for a motorbike is actually now very slow.

Anyway back on topic, its obvious from this thread that all Disco and Rangie Sport owners need to watch out for those crazy racer Prius owners. ... ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Mornin big Tezza!
still breeding Disco's?:angel:

[TerryO]

That V8 D4 up in Qld is still for sale Pedro, it's just sitting there waiting for you. ... ;)