internal fire damage - 130 TD5

[Ean Austral]

Gday All,


Would you buy a internal fire damaged wreck 130. Damage is to the dash, passenger seat, roof lining, and fire extinguisher damage to the rest.


Roof, floor and firewall all seem ok as does the rest of the vehicle.


I would assume would need a full re-wire, not sure where the ECU is in a 130. Would the dash etc be hard to come buy, it has a air con compressor so would basically need a full interior.


Worth the effort of not ?


Thanks in advance


Cheers Ean

[workingonit]

Cost? What engine?

And, uhmm, whereabouts?;)

Marko's stuff at Adelaide River of no interest? Going to the crushers otherwise. You got access to a twin axle trailer?

[JDNSW]

Basically, depends on what you want to do with it and how much you have to pay.

But if you are using it for anything except parts, the first thing is to find out for sure whether it has been written off! If it has been, you will never be able to register it.

John

[frantic]

If it has been written off get one of the damaged adf Isuzu defenders and make a bitsa using the adf chassis number, engine and the 130 chassis, body.

[Ean Austral]

Basically, depends on what you want to do with it and how much you have to pay.

But if you are using it for anything except parts, the first thing is to find out for sure whether it has been written off! If it has been, you will never be able to register it.

John


Its still in the hands of the insurer, but am told it will be classed as a repairable write off, looking at the car you wouldn't know it was damaged till you open the doors, (and smell the smoke of course ) . Looking at it, it basically needs a new interior plus re-wire. I don't know enough about defenders but they seem basic enough.


Not sure if the dash is just a case of unbolt and bolt another in, of course you need to have one to bolt in which am unsure if the are readily available. No visible damage to the firewall or roof (bubbling paint ) floor under the front mats is not damaged.


Cheers Ean

[Disco Muppet]

ECU would be under the drivers seat.
I'd take a punt on it :)

[Ean Austral]

Cost? What engine?

And, uhmm, whereabouts?;)

Marko's stuff at Adelaide River of no interest? Going to the crushers otherwise. You got access to a twin axle trailer?


As the title say 130 TD5.... Didn't know Marko had any defenders. Yes I can get a twin axle car trailer.


Cheers Ean

[workingonit]

Sorry, my mistake re the engine.

Not sure if there are defenders at Marko's. Some series vehicles though - don't know if the dashes would fit the Defender, if they still had them.

I was speaking to Dan (Dandylandy?) a couple of days ago. He is pulling a few vehicles out of Marko's, some to repair and some to part out - maybe worth talking to before you decide to buy the 130 - he has 29(?) vehicles - 2 of them running :)

[AndyG]

I would be browsing a few sites like paddock spares tonight

[strangy]

Would be dependent on $ TRS in Adelaide have plenty of dash units and ECUs but usually want a premium. There are stitched leather skins available on ebay. The dash is a very simple and quick change over compared to anything else. If you need an ECU you may also need the main loom?
Seat cover/ rebuild kits from Paddocks or Britcar. Cheap DIY and as close as perfect to factory.

[isuzurover]

What sort of extinguisher? DCP extinguishers cause corrosion.

To answer your question - if it was cheap enough. However don't underestimate how much work replacing the dash will be - and maybe even a complete new loom...

[Wicks89]

Paddock spares would charge a fortune!

May well be worth it depending on what the insurance company wants for it.

As a guide my interior door trims from paddocks were about 600 bucks, before freight which was another fortune.

My instrument cluster with speedo and fuel gauge second hand from TR spares in SA was 245 bucks.

The best way to tackle it in my opinion is if you can score another written off defender and steal its entire interior if you want to do it cheap. The only difference in interior between tdi and td5 130 is the speedo gauge and some of the wiring. Depending on the damage/origin of the fire some of the ECU wiring may not even be damage. or it could ALL be damaged.

Id say you could just buy only what you need, being a dash, aircon unit and wiring to instruments etc (Ive got a spare aircon unit from a td5 130) and then go full custom on all the superfluous crap like door cards and roof linings and floor matting.

If you want to look around my td5 to see what a running example entails PM me mate.

[Ean Austral]

Thanks guys,


So the ecu is under the drivers seat ? does the wiring travel inside or run under and along the chassis to the engine ?


Would be great to buy a wreck and change it all over but defender wrecks are not that common in Darwin. I did see 1 that looked to have been rolled but the dash was smashed so no joy there.


Will speak to the guys at TRS and see what they say, bought the D3 and a lot of other stuff from them so they may give me some options.


Cheers Ean

[towe0609]

Yep " under and along the chassis to the engine"

[AndyG]

For example
MUD Defender Console (http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/mud-defender-console.html)
Just need to browse
And a bit of custom metal work

[slug_burner]

It comes down to what price you can get it for and apart from the fire what condition is the rest of the vehicle. What mileage? Any service books?

Unfortunately wrecks still get a bit of interest as breaking them out can still get a bit of money.

If the damage is well contained you may have a chance at a sought after tourer or work vehicle.

[Sitec]

Depends on how tidy it is, and how tidy you want it... There is an early 110 in storage here that was bought for parts... The engine, box and a few other things have to come out of it, and then it'll b sold.. Perhaps send Offender90 a PM as it belongs to him....

[Ean Austral]

I will go back and have a closer look tomorrow. The other wreck I seen which looked like it had been rolled is going to auction as a non repairable wreck so might even go along and see if any interest in that.


Cheers Ean

[MLD]

before handing over folding stuff get an absolute commitment from the insurer that it will not go on the written off vehicle register (WOVR). Or if it will that it's registered as a repairable write-off.

I raise it because if you plan to sell it to someone interstate the WOVR status will cause consternation for registering it in, say NSW and QLD. An interstate buyer will expect a significant discount to compensate for the regulatory hurdles and uncertainty to transfer rego. I went through that with my 130 from VIC and it was a pain. Luckily i had an understanding engineer to sign it off.

best of luck if you take it on, plan on a complete wiring harness. A fire damaged dash will inevitably have compromised insulation on the harness leading to an never ending trail of electrical gremlins.

don't discount a Puma dash transplant. They do it in the UK so it's possible. No idea of the fiddle factor.

MLD

[Disco Muppet]

Gaz(?) on here, whoever has the pair of Defenders with the 6.6 Duramax transplants has put a Puma dash in, I'm sure he'd be able to tell you about the fiddle factor.

[Basil135]

What sort of extinguisher? DCP extinguishers cause corrosion.

To answer your question - if it was cheap enough. However don't underestimate how much work replacing the dash will be - and maybe even a complete new loom...

What he said... :D

DCP gets into every single nook and cranny. And then eats more than a family of rats in a warehouse full of food. it just takes a bit longer.

Bargain for a total interior strip & scrub, and then do it again, and again....

[Ean Austral]

What he said... :D

DCP gets into every single nook and cranny. And then eats more than a family of rats in a warehouse full of food. it just takes a bit longer.

Bargain for a total interior strip & scrub, and then do it again, and again....


Slightly off topic, but yep I know all about it, 3 months ago one of the crew on the company fish trawler shot a flare of inside the wheelhouse, was put out with DPC and that done more damage to the boat than the flare.


Not 1 piece of electronics was saved, forget the bill but it was $60,000 +


Cheers Ean

[JDNSW]

As MLD points out, in NSW there is no longer any such thing as a repairable write off. If it is written off, it can never be registered in NSW, and probably other states as well. And other states can be expected to follow suit in (near) the future.

Even if this does not present an immediate problem in the NT, it may limit options for reselling it into the future.

John

[Ean Austral]

Well had a closer look and under the passenger seat is 1 battery, everything looks ok, just a spaghetti junction of wiring even has wiring for a 2nd battery...under drivers seat ?? , couldn't get the drivers seat to lift so could look under there but crawled underneath and no serious isuues with wiring I could see. Except for the top of the steering wheel the drivers side is reasonable, even the dash. From the stereo to the passenger door is just a melted blob, but cant see any heat damage to the firewall., basically up for a good clean and new interior.


Couple questions.


With battery where it is I guess you can only have the defender style seats.


its 10/02 model so anything else , other than the normal TD5 issues to look for ? see it has CDL so unlike the 02 disco.


Priced up a dash out of a puma today and thought it was pretty reasonable. Any other things from a puma fit...seats etc.


Thanks and Cheers Ean