Under what conditions does a D4 self lock?

[dmdigital]

I know about the drive away locking and that if you unlock the D4 but don't open a door it will self lock in about 30 seconds. Also if you only open the tailgate the vehicle re locks it on closing. I don't have keyless entry.

Have I missed anything and is it possible for the D4 to lock with the fob inside?

My wife's Qashqai emits a high pitch beeping if you leave the fob in the car and close the door. But it has keyless entry, mood lighting and a1-speed transmission :Rolling: It's also a very nice drive and made in UK.

[BMKal]

I was going to reply to your question by saying that the most likely time for a D4 to auto-lock would be when you have left your keys inside. :eek:

I've met that bloke Murphy too many times ............... :o

Don't know if that's true or not - after having twice had my keys locked inside Prado's, I'm paranoid about and NEVER leave my keys inside the D4. At least with the Prado, it was easy to break in and retrieve the keys both times (once was through a front door, and once the tailgate). I would not like to be in a position of having to get into a D4 to retrieve keys. ;)

Other than the auto-locking arrangements that you've mentioned, I can't think of any others when the car would lock itself (mine is older than yours, but also does not have keyless entry.

I would imagine though that if you unlocked the tailgate only, and then placed your keys in the back of the vehicle with the shopping before closing the tailgate - you'd be cursing yourself. ;)

[LandyAndy]

When mine was delivered they warned me the only way to lock your keys in is via the rear tailgate as Brian mentioned.
Andrew

[Graeme]

I don't know about the tailgate but if a door is opened after unlocking my MY10 then it wont auto re-lock.

[scarry]

Mine won't auto re lock if the vehicle is unlocked,and then just the rear tailgate is opened and then shut.
Wouldn't want it to do it either.

Mine does it only if any of the doors or rear tailgate is not opened,and that is enough of a PITA for me.

In fact is there a way to disable the re locking function?
The dealer doesn't seem to think so.

If it isn't an ADR then you would think it could be disabled.

[LandyAndy]

I don't know about the tailgate but if a door is opened after unlocking my MY10 then it wont auto re-lock.

Try the tailgate;)
;););)
They specificaly warned me if I only opened that door,put some shopping in and left my keys in they will be locked in.
As you say the auto re-lock doesnt work on the other doors after opening one.
Andrew

[Bytemrk]

Thanks Derek.....I love this thread :D:D

I'm obviously not the only one, getting a little paranoid about looking like a total tool :p

Best I test out the tailgate tomorrow..... :angel:

[Basil135]

It is for this reason, I dont use the tailgate release button on the fob.

If I have to put something in there, I push the unlock button, and then lock it again after I have closed the back door.

That way, I can't lock the fob in the car, and it is only 1 more push of a button as I am walking away.

[dmdigital]

So I'm not the only one who is a little paranoid :angel:

My D1, D2 and Puma you couldn't lock the keys in. I suspect the D4 issue is only the tail gate unlock. I'm pretty sure :confused: that the vehicle won't relock once a door is opened. Guess there's one way to find out...I suppose that's why 2 fobs are supplied :p

[Graeme]

In fact is there a way to disable the re locking function?
The dealer doesn't seem to think so.
The CCF setting can be changed with a Faultmate.

I intended changing the setting until ours with my wife inside was "unlocked" (it was already unlocked) when a person unlocked their Asian vehicle that was parked next to ours. If ours hadn't already been unlocked then it would have re-locked itself.

[nat_89]

So I'm not the only one who is a little paranoid :angel:

My D1, D2 and Puma you couldn't lock the keys in. I suspect the D4 issue is only the tail gate unlock. I'm pretty sure :confused: that the vehicle won't relock once a door is opened. Guess there's one way to find out...I suppose that's why 2 fobs are supplied :p

Why not just sit in the car with the key instead of worrying about finding the other set of keys? Thats easy haha.

[scarry]

Yes mine does do it,i read the OP post incorrectly.

i never use the tailgate opening on fob only,just tried it and same as OP.

Not a great thought out idea IMHO.

[phra]

Well, when I bought the D4 (MY14) a few weeks ago at Southern's they assured me it was impossible to lock the remote key fob in the car...

It seems this may not the case, so, prompted by this thread, I carried out the experiment for myself...

1. After unlocking if no doors or tailgate opened, car relocks & re-arms itself as expected. Manual says after 1 minute, actually 40 sec in my case.

2. After unlocking if any door or the tailgate is opened and closed, car does not re-lock itself and must be manually relocked and re-armed using the key fob. I gave the car 5 minutes to relock itself automatically but it didn't.

3. If the tailgate unlock button ONLY is pressed on the keyfob, obviously the other doors remain unlocked and the tailgate can be opened. On closing the tailgate it locks and the entire car resumes its locked and armed status and indicates this with a flash of the indicators.

So is it possible to lock your key fob in the car in the third case above?

Off to get the spare key fob from its 'safe place' and try it out...

Press tailgate button on spare fob to unlock tailgate. Drop usually used key fob on floor of the car and close tailgate. The car 'slaps your wrist' with a double beep of the horn and the tailgate springs open. Try closing the tailgate again and the same thing happens. Try placing the 'spare' key fob in the kitchen (about 15 metres away) and close the tailgate again and the same thing happens.

In conclusion I am reasonably confident the dealer spoke the truth and it is impossible to lock your key fob inside the car... which is quite pleasing assuming I have covered all the possible lock/unlock scenarios?

Hopefully this feature applies to all MY14 or later D4s. Mine is a MY14 without keyless entry and with the usual 'multi-lock' feature enabled as per manual. I haven't tried it with 'single-lock' feature enabled.

cheers
phra

[phra]

When I bought the D4, I made a point of asking about the possibility of locking the key fob in the car because - anecdote ahead warning ;) - I succeeded in locking the remote fob twice (as if the first time wasn't embarrassing enough!) in a previous vehicle (an Alfa) and the second time took me and 2 RAC blokes with a small crowd of onlookers in a Bunnings car park on a hot day nearly 2 hours to break in.

The clever arming system had decided to disable use of dashboard button for opening the rear hatch after the first RAC man managed to trip the alarm by a sudden movement of the long pole which he had rigged up to press the dash button after springing the top corner of the drivers door. It took a while to figure out this is what happened because we kept pressing the dash button without any result.

We could see the key fob on the luggage compartment floor and eventually, with all 3 of us participating, we managed to rig up a contraption of poles that allowed the youngest RAC man (he had the steadiest hand) to press the unlock button on the key fob sitting face up on the floor and mocking us! The door locks clicked, I quickly pulled the hatch open (before the car could change its mind) and a little cheer and smattering of applause went up from the onlookers!

The Alfa was a lovely car to drive with a superb diesel engine (factoid: Alfa apparently invented the common rail diesel injection system and licensed production to Bosch) and amazing handling for a FWD car but the cheapskates only ever supplied ONE remote key fob with the new car (even my wife's little Hyundai shopping trolley is supplied with 2 as standard) so if you are dumb enough or distracted enough to lock the fob in the car you have to resort to breaking and entering. Yes you can buy a spare fob but $850 and 8-12 weeks? Forget it!

cheers
phra

[dmdigital]

Yours has keyless entry so it may be one of the sensors picks up that the fob is inside. This is what my wife's Qashqai does. As I don't have keyless entry I'll see what it does.

Just tried it. What do you know, two beeps and unlocked tailgate :D. So it works with either type of system.

[BMKal]

That's interesting phra - looks like you've proven my fears baseless - but I'm still paranoid about locking the keys inside the vehicle and will maintain my practice of NEVER leaving the keys inside the vehicle. :D

Might go and put a new battery in the spare key fob later on and see if I can duplicate what you have done with the tailgate just out of curiosity (mine's a 2011 model so worth checking). ;)

What has always made me very wary has been my experience with Prado's. Where the Disco will not re-lock once you have opened ANY door after unlocking the vehicle - on the Prado you had to open a FRONT door to stop the vehicle from auto locking.

I unlocked one of the Prado's I had for work one day (120 Series) and opened only the rear right door and threw some things on the back seat. I also threw my keys on the driver's seat through the back door, and then closed the door. A few seconds later, heard the doors lock. :eek:

As I said in an earlier post - I suppose I was very fortunate that this happened in a Prado and not something more "secure" like a Discovery. I quickly found out that it is very easy to break into a Prado, either through the front doors or through the tailgate (another occasion). And no - I'm not an experienced car thief. :p

[JamesH]

Try the tailgate;)
;););)
They specificaly warned me if I only opened that door,put some shopping in and left my keys in they will be locked in.
As you say the auto re-lock doesnt work on the other doors after opening one.
Andrew


Well that is strange. One day I did precisely that. Did not unlock the vehicle just used the pop tailgate option. Put the keys down with shopping and forgot to remove keys.

Shut the tailgate. Fail. Tried again a bit firmer. Fail. Cursed and gave it a good solid slam. Fail. Just about to try some serious swearing when I saw my keys. Took keys out and gently closed the tailgate. Success.

I would swear it sensed the keys were in the car.

Apologised to the car and declared eternal love.

[phra]

Yours has keyless entry so it may be one of the sensors picks up that the fob is inside. This is what my wife's Qashqai does. As I don't have keyless entry I'll see what it does.

Just tried it. What do you know, two beeps and unlocked tailgate :D. So it works with either type of system.

No mate, no keyless entry on mine, so presumably same system as yours

cheers
phra

[phra]

I unlocked one of the Prado's I had for work one day (120 Series) and opened only the rear right door and threw some things on the back seat. I also threw my keys on the driver's seat through the back door, and then closed the door. A few seconds later, heard the doors lock. :eek:


I know that sinking feeling only too well :eek:

I also try to make a point of not taking the key fob out of my pocket - except when approaching the car and unlocking it of course - and it is so easy to get distracted just for a moment and absent-mindedly put the key fob down on the floor alongside purchases instead of popping it back in your pocket...

cheers
phra

[LandyAndy]

Just went and tried mine.You cant lock the fob in the back on mine either,the dealer was wrong.
It was a question I specifically asked on delivery,good to know the dealer isnt always right.
Then again,they also told me there were no issues with LED lighting on the trailer:(:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

[Basil135]

My wife managed to lock the keys in the boot of my 2 week old XR6 Turbo, a couple of years ago. :angel:

Wouldn't have been so bad, except the 4 month old baby was locked in the car, and I had the spare remote with me at work, 40mins away. :eek:

RAA called, attended, unlocked car, extracted keys & child - all within 6 mins.

Neither of us have ever risked that situation again.

[BMKal]

Just went and tried mine.You cant lock the fob in the back on mine either,the dealer was wrong.
It was a question I specifically asked on delivery,good to know the dealer isnt always right.
Then again,they also told me there were no issues with LED lighting on the trailer:(:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

I've generally found that most car salesmen would probably be better off going back to Retro Vision or Hardly Normal and selling fridges. A recent visit to a well known VW dealership in Perth with the young bloke to look at new Amoroks confirmed this view.

However, I bought SWMBO a new fridge last week from one of the abovementioned fridge vendors. Told them that we were not interested in anything with inbuilt ice maker or cold water dispenser etc - would rather the larger interior capacity. So the salesman showed us the biggest double door unit they had in stock with "NO icemaker or cold water dispenser" included. It was what we wanted, and was cheaper than the same model with a door mounted cold water dispenser, so we bought it.

Was delivered next day and once unpacked, we opened the bottom (freezer) drawer on it to set up the shelving etc when SWMBO asked "what is this little plastic tray that sits on top of the top shelf in the freezer unit. Ahhh .... that'll be the box that catches the ice blocks made by the ice maker that is built into the top of the freezer compartment. :D:D:D

Oh well - at least the way this one is configured, it has no impact on the volume / capacity of the fridge compartment - and that is what really matters to us. But just goes to show that fridge salesmen know as much about the products that they are selling as car salesmen do. :p:p:p

[Epic pooh]

I'm still paranoid about locking the keys inside the vehicle and will maintain my practice of NEVER leaving the keys inside the vehicle.

I have ye olde keye for mine, but that's my practice too ... not paranoid, just don't trust any vehicle with central locking ... maybe i should get that seen to ... ;)

[LandyAndy]

No shortage of ice for your gin and tonics then Brian:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[BMKal]

Haven't connected it. Would mean that I've got to somehow run a water line under the kitchen floor (and there's no way that I would fit under there). Can't run it around the wall, as there's a brick chimney and wood stove between the nearest water supply and the fridge.

Now that I think of it though - might be able to come in from another direction. There's another bathroom on the opposite side of the house. :D

[JamesH]

"I've generally found that most car salesmen would probably be better off going back to Retro Vision or Hardly Normal and selling fridges. A recent visit to a well known VW dealership in Perth with the young bloke to look at new Amoroks confirmed this view."

When I drop off my car at the dealers for a service, Wing, a recent immigrant who is finishing is uni studies and works there gives me a lift into work. When he is away they haul out a poor apprentice from out the back, dust him off and get him to give me a lift. I always apologise but they say, don't worry, it's good to get out and do something different. Ive heard all about the apprenticeship program at the two (one) dealers in Perth and how they do their actual study in Sydney and are flown over for one week intensives. Very interesting and an enjoyable chat.

Anyway my point is Ive spoken to two Landrover apprentices and both of them see their training as a stepping stone to becoming salesmen and then onwards and upwards! I was a bit gobsmacked tbh but good on them for having career plans/goals.

But if their dreams come to fruition, BMKal, they'd have a pretty good basis for knowing their product!

[LandyAndy]

James,the SOR branch tells me to give them notice and I get a demo to drive around when they service mine;);););););)
Andrew

[BMKal]

James,the SOR branch tells me to give them notice and I get a demo to drive around when they service mine;);););););)
Andrew

The other place has always offered me the same. ;)

So far, has always been a Freelander.

[TerryO]

I don't trust the auto locking either, whether this is rational or not is debatable, if I am doing something where I don't want to be carrying the key in my pocket and have left it in the D4 then I always lower the drivers window.

So far the auto locking has never let us down, however just to be on the safe side when we go away anywhere we always take both sets of keys with us, the wife has one set and me the other. Mind you we also do this with the D3 and the Senator as well.

[BMKal]

I don't trust the auto locking either, whether this is rational or not is debatable, if I am doing something where I don't want to be carrying the key in my pocket and have left it in the D4 then I always lower the drivers window.

So far the auto locking has never let us down, however just to be on the safe side when we go away anywhere we always take both sets of keys with us, the wife has one set and me the other. Mind you we also do this with the D3 and the Senator as well.

We did the same when we went to Tassie a while back Terry. Having a key fob each also has other benefits - such as SWMBO being able to put the shopping in the car without any need at all for me to step outside the pub. :angel:

If I'm working on the car out in the back yard at home and don't want to carry the key fob - I have a hook just inside the shed where it hangs. Most other times, my key fob is always in a pocket, but also attached to a belt hoop via a large clip-on type key ring thingy. :D

[JamesH]

When I go on long camping trips it is as part of a convoy, so I always take a spare set of keys and keep them in another vehicle just in case, I lose the first set, or they stop working. I'm very absent-minded and the former happens more often than it should.

A couple of general points about keys, camping and D4s that I know you guys are well aware of ( you taught me!) but I put it out there for any new lurkers:

1. The advantage of using the rear tailgate popper to access your car at a campsite is that it just pops the tailgate; it does not start up the computers, open out the rearview mirrors etc as does unlocking the vehicle which uses much more battery power because all these behind the scenes things happen.

2. Do not leave your key fob in the car "safe & sound" when at a campsite or visiting friends in the country as you feel city/urban security concerns are no longer valid. Even though you increase the risk of misplacing your key away from the vehicle because you are not in your usual environment where you have a regular place yuo keep them, take them out of the car and lock it, as this is the best way to get to and maintain full "power down" mode. This minimises power usage.

If you need to go to the car to get another bottle of wine/boutique beer /pimms & lemonade/milk for the latte out of the Engel, and let's face it if you are camping properly, you will need to make these trips, then follow these two rules to save power. Do not think because you have one of those wonderful dual battery systems and you are only parked up for two nights and one day that yuo have all the 12v power in the world to waste. You don't.

[LandyAndy]

To futher this thread.
One CAN lock the car with a fob in the car;);););)
Off to the South Coast for a few days,thought I would try and lock the fob in to see if I can leave the spare fob in a travel bag.
YES it locks,had the fob on the console lid,locked it with the spare.
Andrew

[BMKal]

To futher this thread.
One CAN lock the car with a fob in the car;);););)
Off to the South Coast for a few days,thought I would try and lock the fob in to see if I can leave the spare fob in a travel bag.
YES it locks,had the fob on the console lid,locked it with the spare.
Andrew

Yep - you can definitely lock a key fob in the car using another key fob. When we went to Tassie, SWMBO had the spare key fob with her "just in case". More often than not, she left it in the glovebox, and I continued to lock / unlock the car as normal with my own key fob. (Not really sure what she thought the advantage was of carrying the spare key with us when it spent most of its time locked inside the vehicle - but that's female logic - I'll never understand it :rolleyes:).

But I think you'll find that the vehicle will not "auto lock" if there is a key fob inside it. ;)

[dmdigital]

When we drove home in the D4 the same scenario occurred so few times. Also if you're sitting in the vehicle with the doors close you can lock it with the fob. Haven't tried super lock in that situation though.

[rocmic]

It is for this reason, I dont use the tailgate release button on the fob.

If I have to put something in there, I push the unlock button, and then lock it again after I have closed the back door.

That way, I can't lock the fob in the car, and it is only 1 more push of a button as I am walking away.
You are so right. Not a D4 but on my wife's old BMW 320Ci it was possible to open the boot without unlocking the car. Down at Coogee one day some idiot (who shall remain nameless) managed to shut the keys in the boot.
It cost me heaps (not just the dollars for taxi home to get the spare keys) but months of comments from SWMBO.
Cheers
Mike

[Dagilmo]

This was in a 3 so not sure if the same applies to a 4 and not auto locking related but.?

Is was getting some chlorine for the pool this arvo. Opened the top rear door and took out empty drum. Due to having a cargo barrier, being parked right out the front and a bit of laziness I left it open. Locked the car, horn sounded as expected and car locked. Returned with new drum, placed it in back, closed door and everything was locked. Luckily I hadn't put the key inside when I lifted the drum in.

As I said not about auto locking but thought it was worth sharing.