D4 Service Oils

[eddy]

I am intending to change out all the oils in a MY11 SDV6 but am having some difficulty obtaining oils to the correct specifications.My vehicle does not have a DPF so the M2C913B or C should be ok?The only oil I noticed on the shelf with Ford specs was Liqui Moly 4500 5w-30 rated M2C934B for vehicles with DPF,would this be ok to use?
Moving on to the diffs,I have some Castrol Syntrax 75-90, left over from the Defender days.It is not the Long Life variety,guess it will be ok if changed in 20/30K kms.The rear E diff requires Castrol SAF Carbon Mod Plus, seems Holden use the Castrol SAF Carbon Mod without the Plus. Anyone used this or Royal Purple Max Gear Mod Plus which is an alternative.
The transfer box needs Shell TF0753, another oil that is not easily available[some have used Royal Purple Synchromax], but like the E diff oil, only seems to be available from the dealer.
What are other DIY D4 owners using for their servicing requirements?Or does it mean a trip to the dealers....bottle in hand?

[shanegtr]

not an SDV6, but Im using Valvoline Synpower FE in my D3 (TDV6)
http://www.valvoline.com.au/explore-our-products/all-products/engine-oil/passenger-car-motor-oil/synpower-fe-5w30-synthetic-engine-oil

[dmdigital]

I've been sourcing Castrol oils for mine. So far it seems the only engine oil to suite is in 20L minimum packaging but the Castrol agent is looking for lower volume options.

[PeterJ]

Hi Eddy, I have been using Fuchs Titan GT 1 Pro C1, meets ACEA-C1 specification for my D4 (it has particulate filter so this is the correct oil), but Fuchs also does Titan GT 1 Pro which is OK for your MY11, but check on their web site or send them an email. I did and found them very helpful. Oil is from Burtons Auto, around $45 for 5 L.
PeterJ

[eddy]

Thanks for the replies regarding engine oils for the 3.0 SDV6.Am I right in assuming Aussie specs do not have the DPF,although there is,what looks like a resonator before the main muffler?No mention in the vehicle CCF.The owners handbook does mention the DPF and the regenerating cycle.Presumably to cover all markets?
The oil in the e diff should be Castrol SAF Carbon Mod Plus which can also be used as a replacement for Holden #92184900 75w90 GL5 used in the VE Commodore.Whether they are the same I was unable to ascertain from the local Holden Dealer.There does not appear to be a widely used alternative to the Shell TF0753 transfer case oil though some in the States have used Royal Purple Synchromax with no apparent problems.
Basically it looks like a trip to the LR dealer,for me, Southerns or Barbagallos.

[Greatsouthernland]

Eddy, have a look through this thread, hopefully it helps :D

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/150379-dpf.html

[Greatsouthernland]

Thanks for the replies regarding engine oils for the 3.0 SDV6.Am I right in assuming Aussie specs do not have the DPF,although there is,what looks like a resonator before the main muffler...

this from Sniegy post #6 in the above linked thread -

Hi all
All 2.7's in Aus do not have DPF.
Was only introduced for the 3.0l.
If u have a 3.0l, your vin will have a G if u have a DPF.
Eg: SALLAAAG incl. DPF, SALLAAAF no DPF.

and

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/192163-dpf-dicso-4-a-2.html#post2094012

thanks to SBD4

[scarry]

Does the 3l have a sump plug,or will you have to suck the oil out?

[Ferret]

There is a sump plug but you will have to remove some under body protection plate to get access to it.

[eddy]

The 3.0 has a sump plug also the option to suck the oil out.

[kenl]

And as I recently found out the sump plug hole is aimed directly at the chassis, so that you end up with a foot wide Niagra falls of oil when you first start draining it.

I tried to make my own vacuum pump using a venturi vacuum pump and a garden spray bottle, it worked with some success but the bottle collapsed in part due to the oil temp I think. Either way the flow into the bottle was very slow.

[eddy]

Took a 160km round trip up to Southern's to pick up the e diff and transfer oil.Bloke in the spares dept took some convincing that the e diff requires different oil to the front diff.If you thought the Lifeguard6 price was exorbitant....check out the price for the 4 litres.If you do any creek crossings well worth fitting breather extensions or letting transmission cool down before wading.
Get home and go to file the invoice...wtf he has given me front diff oil....call him up and he still reckons the oils are the same!Mention BOT720 /SAF Carbon Mod Plus and eventually he concedes and confirms only 2litres in stock.....so another round trip.At least there was no attempt to claim the price difference.Makes you wonder though, if the mechanics go to the spares guy for the different oils required at servicing.

[Ferret]

.... Makes you wonder though, if the mechanics go to the spares guy for the different oils required at servicing.

I had previous trouble with oils specifications and Southern.

They used incorrect engine oil on a service for my SDV6 and tried to argue the oil they did use makes no difference. So does not surprise me they don't recognise a difference in front and rear diff oils even if LR says differently.

[PeterJ]

Hi kenl, try one of these evacuators. Fluid Evacuation Equipment | Product Categories | JSG Equipment Supplies (http://www.jsgequipmentsupplies.com.au/product-category/mityvac-diagnostic-tools/fluid-evacuation-equipment/)

Works very well, easy to use, no mess, no climbing under the car and before I got it I had a look on Youtube and found quite a lot of info, including a comparison between draining via the sump plug and evacuating with respect to contaminates remaining in the sump. The result may surprise.

PeterJ

[eddy]

Finally got around to changing the oils,simple job when you have the use of a hoist.Bit of a worry when I went to undo the filter housing.It was done up so tight it felt like the 32mm 'nut' would twist off!Engine oil showed OK with 5.7 litres,but took another 150ml to bring up to full.Transfer was full before the 1.6 litre went in.Front diff had a honey coloured oil probably Castrol SAFXO,replaced it with Castrol Syntrax red coloured, which I had over from the Defender transfer box.Fillers for the front diff and the transfer box are on the passenger side[LHS]the rear e diff it is on the drivers[RHS] side rear.NOT the larger forward facing plug on the passenger side.......oops! which has long pin on the other side of it.
Magnetic plugs had a bit of sludge on them, only the e diff oil and of course the engine oil looked fairly black.
As Kenl says the engine oil comes out in a rush straight into the chassis rail,luckily as I was forewarned,collected most of it,but still made a mess when the remnants dripped over the edge of the collection tray.Reused the sump plug.......be wary that the rubber washer does not dislodge and disappear with the old oil.
You could do the job with the vehicle at full height,with stands of course.
The Tom Thumb bottle with the pump and hooked hose is pretty much essential to get into the front diff and makes filling the others easy.
Had the transmission oil flushed and steel pan fitted by Global Automatics in Bibra Lake.
Vehicle has 90k kms on it,so should be good for a few years

[Grappler]

I am intending to change out all the oils in a MY11 SDV6 but am having some difficulty obtaining oils to the correct specifications.My vehicle does not have a DPF so the M2C913B or C should be ok?The only oil I noticed on the shelf with Ford specs was Liqui Moly 4500 5w-30 rated M2C934B for vehicles with DPF,would this be ok to use?
Moving on to the diffs,I have some Castrol Syntrax 75-90, left over from the Defender days.It is not the Long Life variety,guess it will be ok if changed in 20/30K kms.The rear E diff requires Castrol SAF Carbon Mod Plus, seems Holden use the Castrol SAF Carbon Mod without the Plus. Anyone used this or Royal Purple Max Gear Mod Plus which is an alternative.
The transfer box needs Shell TF0753, another oil that is not easily available[B][some have used Royal Purple Synchromax][B], but like the E diff oil, only seems to be available from the dealer.
What are other DIY D4 owners using for their servicing requirements?Or does it mean a trip to the dealers....bottle in hand?

Ive just refilled the transfer on RRS 2.7 with Royal Purple Synchromax. The product crossreference says its a substitute for Shell TF0753. Although if you look at the Royal Purple vehicle lube guide, for RRS, it refers to "manufacturer"

Anyone been using Synchromax longterm?

[Tinman]

Yeah have used syncromax for over 50 thou in my old 05 D3. My 09 D3 2.7 I use Nulon syntrans in my transmission and transfer case. Used Nulon Syntrans in the old D3 for around 70 thou. Motor I use Castrol Magnatec Professional A5 in a 20 litre drum is the recommended oil by Landrover $170 from repco had to order in. Hope that helps
Cheers

[Grappler]

I sent a technical enquiry to Royal Purple in Sydney and they have confirmed Synchromax is the correct substitute for TF 0753 in RRS Magna Steyr DD295 transfer case

I was surprised how small the volume is (only 1.5 litres) to refill the transfer. Others on here are concerned about the Defender, and enlarge casing to increase oil volume from 2.3 litres.
The drained oil looked in good condition, but i think i will change it more regularly in future

[PeterJ]

I have been using this Mityvac oil extractor ? example here Mityvac MV7400 OIL Extractor | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MityVac-MV7400-Oil-Extractor-/231727602225) but you can get them in other on-line stores, about $120, hook it up, extract the oil, it's too easy. Also my particular version can be used to pump it in as well, though I have not used it. I think it might be a worry getting it clean enough to use it for new fluids.

[Grappler]

To transfer oils into the casings I use garden sprayer, like this one.
Just remove the spray nozzle and replace it with some tube