2.2 Puma Oil Filter

[cookie monster]

Hi All,

Ill be changing the oil every 10kkm on my 2015 90, but want to change the oil filter at 5kkm, as it is very small(certainly compared to my previous TD42 Patrol) and I'm planning on keeping the car for a long time(in time ill look at setting up a by pass filter for the oil, but thats a different story).

Does anyone know if the oil filter is flooded when the engine is not running ? IE, can i replace it and just have to deal with the oil thats in the filter, or will more oil come out behind the filter ?

cheers Cookie

[Beery]

Hi Cookie
You're right about the small size of the filter, but the puma engine should be a lot cleaner running engine, especially with the low sulphur diesel we get now.
IMO, if you really care about looking after the engine, get a remap that permanently closes the EGR valve. I disconnected mine from day dot (im putting up with the check engine light for now), now just ticked over 4000km and the oil is still incredibly clean for a diesel. Im planning to change the oil in the next week or so.


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[Beery]

Didn't really answer your question though. The anti-drainback valve in the filter will hold oil up in the galleries, so yes you'll get a little bit run back out when you take it off. More importantly, its a vertical mounted filter, so nice and easy to prime the new one with oil before screwing it on.
Cheers
Tom

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[MrLandy]

Hi Cookie
You're right about the small size of the filter, but the puma engine should be a lot cleaner running engine, especially with the low sulphur diesel we get now.
IMO, if you really care about looking after the engine, get a remap that permanently closes the EGR valve. I disconnected mine from day dot (im putting up with the check engine light for now), now just ticked over 4000km and the oil is still incredibly clean for a diesel. Im planning to change the oil in the next week or so.


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Thanks Beery, can you tell us a bit more about the EGR valve, what closing it does, how does it affect engine running?

[Beery]

It stands for Exhaust Gas Recirculation. An emissions control device.
Abomination of an idea.

It feeds exhaust gas back into the intake manifold. The idea is to make less oxygen available for combustion to prevent oxides of nitrogen forming.

Put simply, EGR ruins engines, increases fuel consumption, increases particulate emissions, the soot chokes up the intake manifold and ports and contaminates the oil.

But hey, it means the engine will produce slightly cleaner exhaust, for a while, until the warranty runs out. After that, the manufacturer doesnt care how long the engine lasts.

[MrLandy]

Thanks, how did you disconnect yours? Is it easy to re connect for dealer service? Any noticeable difference in performance?

[cookie monster]

Thanks for the reply Beery.
Ill grab a filter and throw it on and yes, very easy to change.

Also interested in how you disconnect the EGT and what effect it has on performance.

cheers cookie

[Beery]

This is what the valve on the 2.2 puma looks like.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/232.jpg
Its mounted towards the back of the engine on the passenger side. The yellow cap is where the electrical connector goes. You just need a flat blade screwdriver to release it.

I find the difference in performance is more noticable after I've had it disconnected for a period of time and then reconnect it (i.e. taking for a visit to the dealer). The engine will feel sluggish and out of sorts.

I wouldn't recommend unplugging it as a long term solution, but more a temporary fix til you can get a remap done.

In time I plan to physically remove all the EGR components and use the coolant hoses to plumb in a 240v forced circulation block heater. But thats after the warranty has run out.

Cheers
Tom

[Azza2013110]

This is what the valve on the 2.2 puma looks like.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/232.jpg
Its mounted towards the back of the engine on the passenger side. The yellow cap is where the electrical connector goes. You just need a flat blade screwdriver to release it.

I find the difference in performance is more noticable after I've had it disconnected for a period of time and then reconnect it (i.e. taking for a visit to the dealer). The engine will feel sluggish and out of sorts.

I wouldn't recommend unplugging it as a long term solution, but more a temporary fix til you can get a remap done.

In time I plan to physically remove all the EGR components and use the coolant hoses to plumb in a 240v forced circulation block heater. But thats after the warranty has run out.

Cheers
Tom

Hi Tom,

My 2.2 EGR cooler sprung a leak and was leaking into the inlet of the car making it blow some nice white smoke.

I bypassed the cooler so the water no longer flows through it and have unplugged my EGR. It is booked in to get the new map so i can get rid of the engine check light next week.

The best thing is that the fuel economy since disconnecting the EGR has been getting better and better.
Improved 70km per tank of fuel.
now getting 650Km out of my 110 at 10.6lt/100km.

[Beery]

Hi Tom,

My 2.2 EGR cooler sprung a leak and was leaking into the inlet of the car making it blow some nice white smoke.

I bypassed the cooler so the water no longer flows through it and have unplugged my EGR. It is booked in to get the new map so i can get rid of the engine check light next week.

The best thing is that the fuel economy since disconnecting the EGR has been getting better and better.
Improved 70km per tank of fuel.
now getting 650Km out of my 110 at 10.6lt/100km.

Too true Azza, I've got a 130 with a steel tray, tare weight 2250kg, only 4000km on the clock and last tank I got 10.95L/100km. Not bad on a brand new engine and considering the aerodynamics and permanent 4wd. EGR is evil!

[Azza2013110]

EGR bypass map done.
Wound the tune up as it is now not limited by the egr pressures and feels alot smoother down low. Holds gears extremely well on all hills.
I will wait a few tanks before finding the gains in fuel economy.

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[MrLandy]

Thanks Azza, which EGR bypass map did you have done?

[Azza2013110]

Thanks Azza, which EGR bypass map did you have done?

Done by Bruce Davis at Davis performance landys.

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[MrLandy]

Thanks, intriguing.

Back to original post re oil filter...who's found the best value supplier of genuine 2.2 filters and correct Castrol oil?

[Beery]

Thanks, intriguing.

Back to original post re oil filter...who's found the best value supplier of genuine 2.2 filters and correct Castrol oil?

I recently bought a genuine spin on filter for the 2.2 for $34 from the dealer. They initially tried to get $42 out of me!
Also, today I ordered a 20L drum of Castrol Edge Professional A5, 5w30 (the correct oil for a non-DPF 2.2 puma) for $215.

Cheers
Tom

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[PuckawidgeePete]

Excuse my ignorance but how do you go about getting a remap done? Who does it? Thanks.
Pete

[ozy013]

Excuse my ignorance but how do you go about getting a remap done? Who does it? Thanks.
Pete

The two places on the top of my map list would be either
BAS Performance Remaps. Landrover tuning at its best! (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/)

or
Alive Tuning (http://alivetuning.com/)

Either drop Pete at bellautoservices or Gary at Alive, a line. Both have put a hell of a lot of time and research into the products they offer, and will answer any questions you may have.

[Tombie]

My 2 would be BAS and then IRB...

[TheDobinator]

This is what the valve on the 2.2 puma looks like.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/232.jpg
Its mounted towards the back of the engine on the passenger side. The yellow cap is where the electrical connector goes. You just need a flat blade screwdriver to release it.

I find the difference in performance is more noticable after I've had it disconnected for a period of time and then reconnect it (i.e. taking for a visit to the dealer). The engine will feel sluggish and out of sorts.

I wouldn't recommend unplugging it as a long term solution, but more a temporary fix til you can get a remap done.

In time I plan to physically remove all the EGR components and use the coolant hoses to plumb in a 240v forced circulation block heater. But thats after the warranty has run out.

Cheers
Tom

Howzit Tom just a quick question on the above

By long term solution do you mean once the warranty is up after 3 years (2 left on mine) you would then get the remap done instead of just unplugging it? I imagine you wouldn't get it flashed while the dealer is still is taking care of it?

Thanks in advance

[DazzaTD5]

Hi All,

Ill be changing the oil every 10kkm on my 2015 90, but want to change the oil filter at 5kkm, as it is very small(certainly compared to my previous TD42 Patrol) and I'm planning on keeping the car for a long time(in time ill look at setting up a by pass filter for the oil, but thats a different story).

Does anyone know if the oil filter is flooded when the engine is not running ? IE, can i replace it and just have to deal with the oil thats in the filter, or will more oil come out behind the filter ?

cheers Cookie

As already mentioned, you will only have to deal with the oil in the spin on filter.

Just as a side note, there is a small amount of 2.2lt, first model that used the oil filter cartridge the same as the 2.4lt, same position just a bit more messy to change out.

Keep in mind either way, its the soot content and other impurities that load up in the oil that is the biggest issue, that the filter wont filter. But IMHO... I've actually always done 5000km oil changes on my own vehicles. No its not something I promote as 10,000km servicing is perfectly acceptable, but the choice is yours...

Regards
Daz

[isuzurover]

The transit version of the 2.2/2.4 has an oil bypass centrifuge - similar to the TD5.
I am surprised nobody has worked out how to fit one.

[Beery]

Howzit Tom just a quick question on the above

By long term solution do you mean once the warranty is up after 3 years (2 left on mine) you would then get the remap done instead of just unplugging it? I imagine you wouldn't get it flashed while the dealer is still is taking care of it?

Thanks in advance



Hi Dobinator
I only drove around with it disconnected for a few months. Ive had it remapped ever since and the dealership mechanics are none the wiser. Last service I even took it in with the remap still loaded. No issues whatsoever.
Still under warranty for another year.

DazzaTd5, as a specialist LR mechanic, is of the opinion that dealership mechanics can't actually tell if a vehicle has been remapped with their diagnostic equipment.

[Beery]

The transit version of the 2.2/2.4 has an oil bypass centrifuge - similar to the TD5.
I am surprised nobody has worked out how to fit one.



Different head I think and only on the 2.4 from what I've seen.

[karlz]

Hi Dobinator
.. ever since and the dealership mechanics are none the wiser. Last service I even took it in with the remap still loaded. No issues whatsoever....


Same for me :)