Blue smoke

[tiddy]

When I started my TDV6 this morning, plumes of blue smoke came from the exhaust. It disappeared gradually went away after a minute or two of running but it was thick & it stank.

Now it was a cold morning in Canberra this morning, -2 or thereabouts, so I'm hoping this is the cause.

Any thoughts

Cheers
tiddy

[Meccles]

Is your car one that needed turbo drains rectifying? We had same issue on SDV6 but not sure it relates to TDV6

[LRD414]

The problem of blue smoke caused by oil in secondary turbo tract was from a few years ago and IIRC from other threads was fixed from maybe MY12. EDIT: fix of updated drain pipe not confirmed by model year.

Here's a couple of related thread links:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/160122-3-0-turbo-reliability.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/117270-3-0-d4-using-oil-blue-smoke.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/145113-rrs-3-0-blowing-smoke-lots.html ... and ... http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/151738-new-pics-body-off-rrs-3-0-major-surgery-blue-oil-smoke-issue.html

However, I think these ones were all symptomatic under acceleration (related to turbo coming on) rather than on start up in the morning, so perhaps not helpful to you. Possibly not relevant if yours is a newer model.

Regards,
Scott

[Meccles]

We have 2013.5 SDV6 RRS and it did not have the rectification done on delivery. Started blowing blue smoke on start up. Apparently LR did not fit the drains as matter of course.

[LandyAndy]

Blue smoke on start up in a diesel is normally oil.White smoke that burns your eyes,is normally unburnt diesel.Black smoke whilst accelerating normally means power;););););)
Andrew

[tiddy]

The problem of blue smoke caused by oil in secondary turbo tract was from a few years ago and IIRC from other threads was fixed from maybe MY12. EDIT: fix of updated drain pipe not confirmed by model year.

Here's a couple of related thread links:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/160122-3-0-turbo-reliability.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/117270-3-0-d4-using-oil-blue-smoke.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/145113-rrs-3-0-blowing-smoke-lots.html ... and ... http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/151738-new-pics-body-off-rrs-3-0-major-surgery-blue-oil-smoke-issue.html

However, I think these ones were all symptomatic under acceleration (related to turbo coming on) rather than on start up in the morning, so perhaps not helpful to you. Possibly not relevant if yours is a newer model.

Regards,
Scott

Hi Scott

Thanks for that, mine is a MY'14 model. It seemed to blow a lot less this morning when I started it, but it was still there.

I will keep an eye on it for the rest of the week and see how it goes. But it really stinks when it's starts too, even inside the car you can smell it

Cheers

Chris

[maggsie]

The problem can be as simple as too much oil in your sump. I had the same problem with blue smoke following a top up by myself after the electronic oil level indicated a top up was required. As a service was due, Jordan Rovertech checked it out and determined it was caused by a high level in the engine sump. Following the service no more blue smoke. Obviously the accuracy of the electronic dipstick is questionable.
Regards
Maggsie
09HSE 3.0TT

[LGM]

I am no expert so I would be back to the dealer ASAP to get it checked!

[cafe latte]

Has your break fluid level dropped?
Happened to a friend years ago in a Rover, the seal let go on the master cylinder and break fluid got sucked into the engine, LOTS and LOTS of smoke. My feeling though is it is probably due to the cold morning oil getting sucked to where it should not be as the temperature drops. Maybe turbo? I would pull the output hose off the turbo and see it there is signs of a lot of oil.
Chris

[LandyAndy]

I will find out tommorow if Ive done a turbo on my grader,its only done 715 hours!!!!
Hell of a rattle on startup yesterday,by time I got out of the cab and opened the service doors it stopped,came from the turbo area.Its been leaking exhaust gas,there is soot in the engine bay,no obvious leak.In the last 3 weeks its used 5 litres of oil,never used a drop in the past.
This morning no startup rattle,however it did force some oil out from between the manifold and the turbo mount,the dribble stain wasnt there the day before.Service is due at 750 hours,so they are doing it tommorow and bringing a turbo,just in case.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/205.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/005_zpsybbv8zjd.jpg.html)

Andrew

[Meccles]

Ours has just started doing this again also:mad: And it has new drains fitted. Back to dealers next week

[LGM]

Call me slack but when I have changed the oil in my D4 3.0L I have not really measured the amount going in rather I have used the electronic measure thingy on the dash. :angel:

Anyhow last weekend I changed the oil and bugger me if the actual oil required to get the dash gauge to say full was almost 12 pints. When the good book says 10 max. Yeah all right, it should be in liters, however I have oil jugs that are measured in pints / quarts. So O.K. they are old!

Anyhow Maggsie is right on the money.

With the oil gauge showing full I can make like a destroyer laying a smoke screen (much exaggeration) which in reality it is the odd puff of blue smoke now and again depending on how fast and far down the loud peddle is depressed.:cool:

So my job for tomorrow is to remove a bit (2 pints) of the oil and run with the oil gauge showing at least 2 marks below full knowing that the sump is actually at the correct level.

It's amazing what you learn on this site!

[Meccles]

Understood re oil level however ours last service was at dealer ,and it is showing 2 marks below full. When I rang them they said they would need car for at least 3 days as they most likely would need to get parts. What parts I wonder? A turbo?

[Meccles]

Well an update for all. Car has been in dealers since 14th July. Still no closer to being fixed. Has had injectors tested, then replaced. Turbo replaced. That is all I have been told about. LR Technical are advising dealer to do further "testing" as they require. So 5 weeks without solution. :o Still smokes on cold start up. I suspect valve stem seal however they say this is unheard of on 3.0SDV6. Which makes me even more convinced that is problem, because if it has never happened before, it will....to me:)

[JamesH]

5 weeks at the dealers? So what model did they give you to drive while they messed around with yr $100k car?

[Meccles]

Take a guess....zilch...and now being told that blowing blue smoke on start up is "normal" for SDV6:o

[Ferret]

Normal? My SDV6 don't blow blue smoke on start up. Seems I need a trip to the dealer to get it looked at.

[letherm]

Take a guess....zilch...and now being told that blowing blue smoke on start up is "normal" for SDV6:o

Must be one of the optional extras I didn't pay for :p - mine doesn't blow smoke.

[SimmAus]

Normal? My SDV6 don't blow blue smoke on start up. Seems I need a trip to the dealer to get it looked at.

This may help the OP...get 5-10 "non normal, non smoke blowing" vehicles to all book in and request a diagnostic!!! ;-)

[Meccles]

:) yeah all a bit depressing I just want it fixed:mad:

[Graeme]

My MY10 3.0 started blowing oil smoke on start-up prior to the secondary turbo drain fix being done, then no smoke on start-up thereafter. I'm reminded of my 1st TD5 D2 when the service manager told me that all engines use some water - that was prior to destroying its head from overheating.

[letherm]

My MY10 3.0 started blowing oil smoke on start-up prior to the secondary turbo drain fix being done, then no smoke on start-up thereafter. I'm reminded of my 1st TD5 D2 when the service manager told me that all engines use some water - that was prior to destroying its head from overheating.

It's amazing what some service managers will claim to avoid fixing something. It just beggars belief sometimes. They must think we're idiots. My first car had numerous minor issues. I gave them a typed up list and said keep the car as long as you need. Needless to say half of the problems weren't fixed including the drivers seat leaning against the sear belt tensioner - apparently quite normal until I asked why the passengers seat wasn't the same - washers missing from the drivers seat mount. I then rang the Sales Manager and complained saying that at this rate they'd never see me or any of my friends again. Fixed in one day after that. Haven't been back since.