Rivnut Tool(Nutsert,etc) [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

LandyAndy

11th July 2015, 07:29 PM

Ive just been reading the latest Kincrome cattledog,they have a Rivnut set thats M3 M4 M6 M8 M10 for $129.00,includes 60 nut inserts.
My next campertrailer job is to build the solar panel setup.I did buy a combination of pop rivets and stainless bolts/nylocks for the job.
Thinking now of using Rivnuts instead of pop rivets,thinking they are stronger.
Now,do I order Stainless nut inserts or Aluminium????
The stainless bolts I have are all 304.The frame will be 3mm and 4mm aluminium section.
Andrew

weeds

11th July 2015, 08:27 PM

I normally only use nutserts for spots you cannot get a second spanner too.......

Nylocks rarely come loose......same with big arse rivets.

There is a little trick after you have drilled the hole for a nutsert......grab a round file and file a little nick in the hole.....the reduced the chance the the nutsert spinning when you undo the bolt

scarry

11th July 2015, 08:55 PM

Make sure the nutserts are the type with splines on them,then they never turn,as long as the hole is the correct size.

We always use splined nutserts,often up to M12,and never have any issues.

LandyAndy

13th July 2015, 07:21 PM

Ive ordered a kit.
Now I know the answer,would like confirmation.
Using 304 stainless bolts,I should be buying 304 nutserts,fixing in aluminium.Avoiding electrolosis on the threads.
Andrew

LandyAndy

13th July 2015, 07:25 PM

Make sure the nutserts are the type with splines on them,then they never turn,as long as the hole is the correct size.

We always use splined nutserts,often up to M12,and never have any issues.

I assume they tell you what the drill size is for each nutsert size,correct???
Andrew

scarry

13th July 2015, 07:31 PM

I assume they tell you what the drill size is for each nutsert size,correct???
Andrew

They should do,if not make sure you ask.Different brand nutserts use different size drill bits,even though the thread may be the same.
Also different nutserts are designed for different thickness material,this is important as well.

I use Aerobolt for our nutserts,there is some good info about nutserts on their site.

Hope it all works out.:)

Toxic_Avenger

13th July 2015, 08:36 PM

I bought my nutsert gun off ebay. Nothing flash, but then again, i'm not using it in a hardcore production line environment. I think I've put 5 nutserts thru it in the past 10 months. I paid approx $80 and got a range of steel and aluminium nutserts to go with it.
The mandrels with mine don't necessarily instill supreme confidence, but then again, I wouldn't swing off it more than I needed to.

LandyAndy

14th July 2015, 07:14 PM

Thanks Mitch.
I nearly bought an ebay special last year but decided no.When I saw them in the Kinchrome cattledog I was more than happy to buy.I have plenty of Kinchrome tools,all top quality stuff.
Andrew

LandyAndy

2nd October 2015, 07:55 PM

I finally got my kit today,been on back order all this time,none have been available in aust.
Got it for the sale price advertised,$129 so very happy.Just ordered a few stainless nutsert kits.Will be able to make my solar panel setup for the camper trailer soon.
https://www.kincrome.com.au/nut-riveter-twin-handle-68-pce
Andrew

cripesamighty

2nd October 2015, 09:22 PM

Hey Andrew,

Looks like Bunnings now have this kit for $130. I might have to go in tomorrow and double check it is the same one.

Kincrome 68 Piece Twin Handle Riveter Blindnut Kit I/N 5910346 | Bunnings Warehouse (http://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-68-piece-twin-handle-riveter-blindnut-kit_p5910346)

LandyAndy

3rd October 2015, 01:38 PM

cripesamighty

3rd October 2015, 03:26 PM

Went in today and they hold none in stock as it is a special order. Missed that bit on the advert! Ha Ha. So have placed an order, paid my money and should see it next week.

gavinwibrow

3rd October 2015, 08:13 PM

Then you can come and show me how to work mine - or we can learn together!!!!!

LandyAndy

3rd October 2015, 08:30 PM

Then you can come and show me how to work mine - or we can learn together!!!!!

The instructions in the kit are VERY basic.I have watched some utube clips,looks easy enough to use.
It will come in very handy for fitting out the camper trailer.Ive ordered a heap of stainless rivnuts from ebay.
2 Kits OF QTY 105 Nutsert KIT M4 M5 M6 M8 M10 Stainless Splined Rivnut 304 31 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/291434019193?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Andrew

cripesamighty

4th October 2015, 12:44 AM

That looks like a decent amount of rivnuts to start with Andy! Thanks for that. Will have to grab some of those too.

damienb

4th October 2015, 06:56 PM

Masters sells nutserts in small packs for a few $. I don't have the tool and use the bolt trick instead. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/67408-nutserts-rivnuts-without-tool-pics.html

loneranger

14th December 2015, 10:47 PM

Went in today and they hold none in stock as it is a special order. Missed that bit on the advert! Ha Ha. So have placed an order, paid my money and should see it next week.

I've just rung Bunnings as I intend to buy one of these for Christmas and they are now a stocked item.

LandyAndy

24th December 2015, 09:31 PM

I used mine for the first time and almost stuffed it up.
A word of warning,make sure you use a spanner to wind the nut setter in you are using.The instructions arent too clear!!!!!I only went finger tight thinking it was tight,infact it caught on a burr and had only tightened on 3 threads.I set the first nut-sert and stripped the thread on the 8mm tool.I thought simple,just tidy the thread with a die.Nope,its left hand thread:(:(:(:(:(:(.I managed to tidy the thread enough with a hacksaw and pliers.Once repaired the tool worked a million bucks,wish I bought one years ago.
Andrew

juddy

24th December 2015, 09:38 PM

Having used a air driven one at ( $1000 ) the hand held one is very different to use, and as said the instructions are not too clear, the thickness of the material also means you have to have the correct force on the handles, or you will have a dud Insert. A pain to get out. How much thread do you leave on the tool when putting the nutsert on. I found the Instruction little hard to read.

LandyAndy

25th December 2015, 12:01 PM

I screwed the nutsert all the way onto the tool,had the adjustable nose at its minimum length.Was getting almost a full stroke of the handles to set the nutsert.Was fitting to 1.5mm RHS,all 6 worked well,even the first dodgy one.
THE INSTRUCTIONS SUCK,I must watch the Utube video before I use it again.
Andrew

scarry

25th December 2015, 12:29 PM

We have this one,the MFX-612 from these people.

Nutsert Tools (http://aerobolt.com.au/products/tools/nutsert-tools/)

We have done hundreds of 12mm nutserts with it,also difficult when you first start,instructions are absolute crap:mad:

There is a u-tube vid about it,but still difficult to understand.

Hard on the arm muscles as well.

The small tool suited us as we use it in cramped places on equipment in plant rooms,in ceilings,etc.

Perentie Brad

27th January 2016, 09:55 AM

Some of the cheaper built aircraft I work on (Cessna) use rivnuts for non structural applications, if it is something that gets undone regularly they are a pain in the butt because they eventually come loose particularly in aluminium as it is a soft material.
If you are doing a build for something that will be undone and done up to remove something fairly often I would recommend anchor nuts over rivnuts.
Google "Aircraft Spruce" they are an aviation parts supply company, and search anchor nuts, they are much stronger slightly more effort to install but not hard,
if anyone wants to know how to install them message me and I should be able to find and scan some instructions from a manual. Down side they are not that common in metric unless you have a part number from a French aircraft, available standard, metal lock or nyloc and also capped so they are air/water tight.

Rolly

26th April 2016, 07:09 AM

Trade Tools (Brisbane) have a Rivnut fastening kit on Sale $59.00 down to $29.00.

I'll put a report on how well it works once used!

Cheers.

karlz

26th April 2016, 06:21 PM

It looks pretty much the same at the Kincrome one thats sells in Bunnings for $68. I think the tool is fine for the M3, M4, M5 but M6 take a fair bit or force to crush, and because of the handles its hard to set them straight.

There is an alternative Kincrome for $140, it looks like it will work better but I have no experience with it.

Links

Trade tools $29 (https://www.tradetools.com/product-range/hand-tools/general-hand-tools/force-96pc-nut-fastener-kit)
Bunnings $68 (http://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-85-piece-single-handle-blind-nut-riveter-kit_p5910345)
Bunnings $140 (http://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-68-piece-twin-handle-riveter-blindnut-kit_p5910346)

oldyella 76

26th April 2016, 06:56 PM

Drive a bargain if you can because there is a 100% mark up on kin chrome tools as I know as I can get them wholesale.

Baytown

23rd June 2016, 03:43 PM

I have both Kinchome Rivnut tool sets.
I have found that non splined riv nuts may turn, and have spent ages trying to remove the tool head from the newly inserted rivnut. Too much compression on land rover defender panels can distort the rivnut with associated screw issues.
I had to purchase the second cheaper Kinchrome set as I buggered the thread on the M6 tool trying to hold the rivnut from inside the front fender space with pliers, so as to remove the tool threaded end from a turning rivnut.
If you do a good insertion, it's a thing of beauty, spinning or over compressed riv nuts are a pain in the backside.
If you can, play with some old sheet metal to get the hang of it.
The Kinchrome kits are very good by the way.
Ken

DoubleChevron

24th June 2016, 01:22 PM

oka374

26th June 2016, 07:48 PM

There is also an attachment to be used with an impact driver which pulls them up nice and tight.
You can also buy little kits for each size which have a HT bolt and specially machined nut to install them with two spanners.
Ovesco sell the individual spanner tools.
The impact tool can be bought Cordless Drill Nutsert Rivet Adaptor Attachment M7 M3 M6 Rivets | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cordless-Drill-Nutsert-Rivet-Adaptor-Attachment-M7-M3-M6-Rivets-/191603629945?hash=item2c9c775f79:g:~n0AAOSw~oFXIql J)

crawal

28th June 2016, 07:24 PM

We sell the M7 adaptors at work , good or alloy DO NOT use on steel or S/steel inserts .The best is a POP PNT210 not cheap but easy to use refer to Youtube.
The same manufacture has heaps of different sizes and styles.
You can get hex shaped the wont turn in the hole(must have hex hole ti start with)