Puma power..

[cafe latte]

First big trip towing with the new Defender. Ravenshoe to Townsville a very relaxing drive with the caravan on. For a while I was irritated with a back backer who drove at 85 ish and at the overtaking lanes speeded up to 105, very annoying!!
In the end I decided to have a go with my 16 foot van on this guy was driving me nuts. As I speeded up to overtake he did too :censored:. I put my foot down still in top gear and we hit 125km/h and passed they then slowed down, he was just messing about trying to annoy. The Defender was amazing it never felt like it was running out of steam, even with the van it went like a train. 125m/h was annoying he pushed me to it with a van on, but the Defender could do it, the best car I have ever owned!!
Chris

[Pickles2]

Those sorts of drivers give me the ****s,....can't understand why they do it.
Same sort of drivers sit in front of B Doubles etc at around 90kph in 100 zones, & don't move over, even though they've got a MASSIVE truck radiator filling their rear view mirror?
Pickles.

[cuppabillytea]

I kid you not Chris, with a B.A.S.2 remap you would have blown him to the weeds with ease.

[ATH]

Yes they make you mad but 125 with a van behind? I think you should control yourself a bit better and not put you and the family and possibly others in danger at those speeds.
All OK without the van though.
I would just drop back and let him have his fun and games.
AlanH.

[cafe latte]

Yes they make you mad but 125 with a van behind? I think you should control yourself a bit better and not put you and the family and possibly others in danger at those speeds.
All OK without the van though.
I would just drop back and let him have his fun and games.
AlanH.

Nobody was in any dander, not in a long over taking lane, I would not have done it if I did not feel safe. In Europe I have seen caravans going a LOT faster than that and drivng at that speed all the time. As soon as I passed I backed off back to the speed limit anyway.
Chris

[Tombie]

Yes they make you mad but 125 with a van behind? I think you should control yourself a bit better and not put you and the family and possibly others in danger at those speeds.
All OK without the van though.
I would just drop back and let him have his fun and games.
AlanH.

Settle down :p

I've been quicker than that safely with the van behind on dirt.. (Ask Sitec or Alien)...

And certainly quicker than that when overtaking on Bitumen..

As long as your rig is set up right its not an issue...

"Those speeds" pfffttt...

[tact]

A lot of people don't yet realize how well the TDCis go well above 100kmh. I suppose it's people used to Defenders barely capable of reaching 100kmh and if tuned to get there - it's white knuckles and fear time! ;)


There is a reason TDCis have speed limiters on them! They hit the limiter speeds (148kmh/90mph in the 2.2) very easily. And at 110kmh on the highway you have to be alert not to drift well over posted speed limits - it is so comfortable and effortless at those speeds.

[LoveB]

I can vouch for said speed limiter. :wasntme:

[debruiser]

First big trip towing with the new Defender. Ravenshoe to Townsville a very relaxing drive with the caravan on. For a while I was irritated with a back backer who drove at 85 ish and at the overtaking lanes speeded up to 105, very annoying!!
In the end I decided to have a go with my 16 foot van on this guy was driving me nuts. As I speeded up to overtake he did too :censored:. I put my foot down still in top gear and we hit 125km/h and passed they then slowed down, he was just messing about trying to annoy. The Defender was amazing it never felt like it was running out of steam, even with the van it went like a train. 125m/h was annoying he pushed me to it with a van on, but the Defender could do it, the best car I have ever owned!!
Chris

I came across a couple of these on the way home from Maryborough a few days back. Although, I wasn't towing anything so the little 90 blew past all of them! I however was running 32x11.5R15's ATs, so it started to feel a little squirmy up over the 130 mark....

[cuppabillytea]

I have to admit that I didn't expect my Defender to handle to handle very well,with it's two live axles high ground clearance and so on. Traveling up to Frazer I drove it accordingly. However, I took it up to Newnes Plateau on Tuesday to give the B.A.S.2 Re-Map, and I was determined to give it a bit of stick. OK, it doesn't handle like a WRX or the like but it isn't bad either. I stuck to the speed limits mostly, except for when the road got hilly and windy. It didn't let me down at all even though a few times I put too much power down on some tight bends and lost traction on the inside tires. No problem. When I was coming back off the Plateau I picked a couple of smoothish bends and deliberately put it into a slide. one left and one right. I found it to be quite controllable. So, I don't think I would have too much fear now to tow a well set up trailer at 125 or even a fair bit quicker. if I had to.
Cheers Billy.

[Tombie]

Remember too your MY15 has DSC, so the slides are electronically corrected in part...

Older Defenders (like my TD5) once induced into a 4 wheel drift could prove most entertaining ;)

[steane]

A lot of people don't yet realize how well the TDCis go well above 100kmh. I suppose it's people used to Defenders barely capable of reaching 100kmh and if tuned to get there - it's white knuckles and fear time! ;)


What Defenders have you driven that struggle to reach 100km/h?

What have they changed on the Puma that makes it handle so much better at 100km/h compared to these other Defenders that you have driven?

[PAT303]

The TDCi does everything better,you can come on here and start talking **** about electrics,P38 diff's etc as much as you like but the TDCi is just better.My eldest sister drove the Great Central in mine and I had to slow her down as she felt completely confident in it even though she had no prior experience,the TDCi holds the road better than any Tdi/Td5 I've ever driven. Pat

[tact]

What Defenders have you driven that struggle to reach 100km/h?

What have they changed on the Puma that makes it handle so much better at 100km/h compared to these other Defenders that you have driven?


PAT303 was pretty clear and eloquent. I will only ask whether you have spent much time at speeds over 100kmh in a TDCi? And point to your own tag line:


"You can go fast. I wish I could..."

[steane]

PAT303 was pretty clear and eloquent. I will only ask whether you have spent much time at speeds over 100kmh in a TDCi? And point to your own tag line:


"You can go fast. I wish I could..."

Spent plenty of time in a 2.2 Puma.

You were very specific. Pat hasnt answered any question I asked and I didnt direct the questions fo Pat.. You can still have a go at answering them though.

What defender struggles to do 100kmh and what makes a Puma so much better at that speed? You mentioned white knuckles and the need for tuning...

You said it, I'm just asking for more info.

My tag line applies to all Defenders. They aren't Porches, not even the 2.2. Tag line is also a play on a well known phrase associated with Land Rovers.

I agree wholeheartedly that the 2.2 is a great machine. Id have one. I could buy one now but I like my 300tdi and dont want to change. Im not debating which defender is best, I like them all, I'm just asking you to expand on your very specific comments. I'm not aware of a Defender that cant do 100 and the 2.2 I drove didnt handle any better or worse at that speed than mine did. Neither is or was a white knuckle experience.

[Disco Muppet]

Steane beat me to it :D

[tact]

Spent plenty of time in a 2.2 Puma.

You were very specific.

[...]

I'm not aware of a Defender that cant do 100 and the 2.2 I drove didnt handle any better or worse at that speed than mine did. Neither is or was a white knuckle experience.

Actually I was far from specific.

Here is what I wrote:
"A lot of people don't yet realize how well the TDCis go well above 100kmh. I suppose it's people used to Defenders barely capable of reaching 100kmh and if tuned to get there - it's white knuckles and fear time!"

1. I made a statement
"A lot of people don't yet realize how well the TDCis go well above 100kmh."

Are you challenging the validity of this statement? I doubt that it will be easy to prove or disprove. I have no stats to fall back on. I doubt any reader would be under any delusion that the statement is no more than an opinion. Would you have stats to disprove it? Wouldn't think so. So it is what it is. Hardly worth debating. I don't think it is insulting to any people group or vehicle. Has it upset you?

2. I made a supposition (it even starts with the words "I suppose..."):
"I suppose it's people used to Defenders barely capable of reaching 100kmh and if tuned to get there - it's white knuckles and fear time!"

A supposition by definition is "an uncertain belief"

So let me rephrase what I wrote to make meaning clearer. Not change the meaning. Just make it clearer:
It is my "uncertain belief" that some people, those who have experience with landies that are scary at 100kmh if indeed they can get to that speed in stock tune, may be those who do not yet realise how well TDCis go at speeds well over 100kmh.

Are you in that group of people? (I think not as you have indicated you have driven TDCis at speed and TDx's at speed and not been scared)

Are you offended that, if such people/vehicles even exist, they have been unfairly treated?

Do you know if such a group of people/vehicles do exist? (Those who have experienced landys being scary at over 100kmh). That would change my "uncertain belief" that they do.

Are we still excited?

[Toxic_Avenger]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/533.jpg

I like the tuna here.

[Disco Muppet]

I like his hair.

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[Toxic_Avenger]

This needs to be settled with a drag race. Racing for slips.
Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.

[tact]

[...]
What defender struggles to do 100kmh and what makes a Puma so much better at that speed? You mentioned white knuckles and the need for tuning...

You said it, I'm just asking for more info.

Last reply was an attempt to point to the supposition thing and its NOT being any kind of statement about Pumas being better than any other defender. Last response hopefully made it clear that I supposed its those people (with defenders scary at speed) who perhaps don't know how good TDCIs are at speed.

Now to specifically respond to your statements and questions:
The Defender that inspired the exact terms I used (struggled to reach 100 and was a white knuckles scary ride) belongs to a fellow who is barely an acquaintance and we happened to both be on a trip organised by mutual friends.

On the highway transit home (7hr drive) we stopped for a meal. Convoy lead raised the travel speed topic, "Is everyone happy to continue on at 100kmh?" (The highway speed limits 110kmh). I ventured to suggest its ok to up to 110 if thats ok with others. The acquaintance asked to keep it at 100. So it was agreed to convoy at 100.

Chit-chat then touched on speed. I said that when not in convoy and far from traffic and speed police I don't hesitate to sit on 140 for long periods. Acquaintance then regaled how much hard work it is to keep his defender inside the lines at speeds over 100.

In the nature of good hearted banter we ended up trading keys. He drove mine. I drove his. It was a scary white knuckle experience for me, and a struggle to maintain 100kmh on anything but dead flat, or downhill sections. The experiment terminated in less than an hour. I wanted my TDCi back!

This led to my "uncertain belief" that it is perhaps people who have experienced defenders that struggle to reach 100kmh and are scary at speed - who don't yet understand how good the TDCi is at speed.

Answering your question, directly, in two parts:
What Defender struggles to do 100?:
THAT Defender in the story above struggled to make 100 and is definitely scary at that speed (no specific grouping like "all TDi's" was implied in my writing)

What makes a Puma so much better at that speed?:
TDCi's generally, as a vehicle grouping, and the 2.2s specifically are
- newer
- quieter
- have a lot more get up and go still in reserve (safer overtaking etc)

(Probably more but I am getting tired of my own writing - the rest of you must be positively sick of it.)

[Disco Muppet]

Directions to Race Wars to settle this.

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[cuppabillytea]

I knew an African girl once. She had hair like that but a bit longer sooooooooo soft.

[Toxic_Avenger]

I live my life 0-100km/h at a time. For that 14minutes and 21 seconds of my life... I'm free.

[tact]

I live my life 0-100km/h at a time. For that 14minutes and 21 seconds of my life... I'm free.

ahhhhahahak! Saw it written somewhere but cannot remember where to give fair credit.

My defender can do low 4's for the 0-100. My preferred unit of measure is km not seconds.

[Toxic_Avenger]

I guess we'd be in the running for the wooden spoon at the snowy mountains 1000 though.... amiright?!

[PAT303]

Spent plenty of time in a 2.2 Puma.

You were very specific. Pat hasnt answered any question I asked and I didnt direct the questions fo Pat.. You can still have a go at answering them though.

What defender struggles to do 100kmh and what makes a Puma so much better at that speed? You mentioned white knuckles and the need for tuning...

You said it, I'm just asking for more info.

My tag line applies to all Defenders. They aren't Porches, not even the 2.2. Tag line is also a play on a well known phrase associated with Land Rovers.

I agree wholeheartedly that the 2.2 is a great machine. Id have one. I could buy one now but I like my 300tdi and dont want to change. Im not debating which defender is best, I like them all, I'm just asking you to expand on your very specific comments. I'm not aware of a Defender that cant do 100 and the 2.2 I drove didnt handle any better or worse at that speed than mine did. Neither is or was a white knuckle experience.

OK,to answer your question.The TDCi has an engine with more power and more torque in more places,the TDCi has a gearbox with more gears that are more evenly matched,more gears in more places,the TDCi has sway bars,they help with body roll,less roll in more places,Overall the TDCi has a stronger engine,better gearbox that uses the power more effectively,is quieter,turns better and has less rolly polly,is that a better answer?. Pat

[steane]

Thanks Tact.

That's all I wanted to know ;)

I figured it was some chap you probably barely knew driving a clapped out old Defender. Seemed the logical answer when I gave it a bit of thought.

[PAT303]

Forgot to answer one question,''what defender struggles to do 100'',one with a horse float,boat,camper,caravan hanging off the back unless it's a TDCi. Pat

[steane]

OK,to answer your question.The TDCi has an engine with more power and more torque in more places,the TDCi has a gearbox with more gears that are more evenly matched,more gears in more places,the TDCi has sway bars,they help with body roll,less roll in more places,Overall the TDCi has a stronger engine,better gearbox that uses the power more effectively,is quieter,turns better and has less rolly polly,is that a better answer?. Pat

Not really Pat, you keep answering questions I'm not asking:p. I'm cool with that as what the hell else are we going to do on a Friday night!

I simply wanted to know what Defender struggles to do 100 and is a "white knuckle" experience at that speed when/if it is ever obtained.

Tact has answered my questions.

All is well;)

[PAT303]

I answered the 100k/hr question :p. Pat

[steane]

I answered the 100k/hr question :p. Pat

Yep, I'll give you that one :)

[Tombie]

This needs to be settled with a drag race. Racing for slips.
Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.

I can see the film... "The slow and the laborious"

[Ancient Mariner]

GPS speedo which logged top speed last trip away 2600 rpm 8 psi boost and no white knuckles:o 20 year old 110 :D

[cuppabillytea]

I'm going to challenge my brother Dennis to a drag race. He's only got a 260 Boss in his and no turbo.

[Tombie]

You can race at each other and just drive over!

[cuppabillytea]

You can race at each other and just drive over!
Easy. It's only 40 inches high.

[PAT303]

GPS speedo which logged top speed last trip away 2600 rpm 8 psi boost and no white knuckles:o 20 year old 110 :D

The taco reads zero and the left hand side red warning lights are glowing :D. Pat

[tact]

Thanks Tact.

That's all I wanted to know ;)

I figured it was some chap you probably barely knew driving a clapped out old Defender. Seemed the logical answer when I gave it a bit of thought.

Strange as it may seem - there do seem to be a few clapped out old defenders about. That struggle to do 100 and ....etc.

Not that it matters, 6 of one, half dozen of another, just for completeness: I wouldn't have said his barge was clapped out. He said it had some engine work (to improve performance) but can't remember what. He was pushing a lot of weight (bars/racks everywhere and winch etc), 35" XTs, and with the all the gear inside may have been pushing GVM (guessing). Maybe tie-rod ends were shot to account for the steering(?)

(And at no time (in this thread) was I suggesting TDx vehicles are all generally incapable of 100kmh. That said - if you really want to debate whether 110's are the best and only real Land Rover, there is a fairly current thread for that. You can tackle my comments on TDCi ABSOLUTE superiority over ALL it's predessors in there. ;) )

[jimr1]

If I go back to my first 109 , 75mph ,with the wind behind ,down hill . I used to drive It hard as I could around bends to see if I could get It on two wheels ! never could . That had 750 x16 cross ply's . That was 40 years ago I've settled down heaps since those long ago day's . I've had a stage One v8 for quite a few years . Onece again not a great speed machine , even with stage two cam and rebuilt 3.5 . Then a 110 county , swapped the 3.5 for a 4.4 plus r380 gearbox . Now that will accelerate up a hill with a caravan on the back easy . Next td5 there do the job , but a bit underpowered with say a tandem tailor and short wheel base Land Rover on the Back . Forget trying to overtake at 100ks . So now the 2.2 110 I'm loving to feed back about there towing ability , as I have a 16ft van weighs about 1.2 ton empty . I do think you need speed at overtaking , especially to get past a long load !!.. Jim :):)

[Ancient Mariner]

The taco reads zero and the left hand side red warning lights are glowing :D. Pat
Maybe the engine is not running:o The GPS log can be accessed and resets when you start the engine Silly enough to take hands off the wheel but not eyes off the road to take a pic :twisted:

[n plus one]

I don't understand what this thread is about...

Just saying, is all...

[cafe latte]

I don't understand what this thread is about...

Just saying, is all...

Read the title and the first post..
Chris

[AndyG]

I'm going to challenge my brother Dennis to a drag race. He's only got a 260 Boss in his and no turbo.

Start 50 m from the bottom of Big Red :D

[Pickles2]

Latte, Yes there are some very stupid, selfish drivers around that's for sure,...same thing happened to us today whilst out in the Country in Gracie, although we weren't towing a trailer.
We came up behind a Ute towing some sort of farm implement,..he was doing about 80kph. We normally sit on around 90/95 so went to overtake, whereupon he proceeded to speed up,...I had to get to 120/130 by the time I got past, after which He slowed down, & slowly receeded into the background!!
Why do people do this stuff?!
Pickles.

[tact]

Latte, Yes there are some very stupid, selfish drivers around that's for sure,...same thing happened to us today whilst out in the Country in Gracie, although we weren't towing a trailer.
We came up behind a Ute towing some sort of farm implement,..he was doing about 80kph. We normally sit on around 90/95 so went to overtake, whereupon he proceeded to speed up,...I had to get to 120/130 by the time I got past, after which He slowed down, & slowly receeded into the background!!
Why do people do this stuff?!
Pickles.

Here in Malaysia the one and only universally observed rule of the road, "Me First", embodies the behaviour you mentioned above...along with a whole lot more poor driving practices.

[DiscoMick]

A lot of people don't yet realize how well the TDCis go well above 100kmh. I suppose it's people used to Defenders barely capable of reaching 100kmh and if tuned to get there - it's white knuckles and fear time! ;)


There is a reason TDCis have speed limiters on them! They hit the limiter speeds (148kmh/90mph in the 2.2) very easily. And at 110kmh on the highway you have to be alert not to drift well over posted speed limits - it is so comfortable and effortless at those speeds.

Our Defender TDCI 2.4 is only ticking over at 100 kmh in sixth at just 2000 rpm. I don't know how fast it will go, but it can certainly get along.

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[ramblingboy42]

GPS speedo which logged top speed last trip away 2600 rpm 8 psi boost and no white knuckles:o 20 year old 110 :D

mmmm, is that at 0 rpm producing -ve amps ?

what are all the other lights illuminated?

[n plus one]

Read the title and the first post..
Chris

Haha, yeah did that, bears little to no relation to where it went to though eh?

I'll go back giggling quietly to myself :D

[Ancient Mariner]

For those that don;t know what a log is try a record of a past events.When I read that crap about fear white knuckles and struggling to reach 100k I went and took that pic .Its from about 5 weeks ago the engine is not going so the lights are oil pressure and hand brake.When you press the recall button the needle moves to the highest recorded speed and resets when you start the engine it also records 0- 100k and standing 1/4 mile ET:cool: With a little work a new Puma could be made to give that white knuckle fear feeling if thats what you desire:twisted:

AM

[EastFreo]

Just got back tonight to Perth from Albany. Did just over 500km with ease.

Had a couple of those bloody drivers in front. Do 90 kph wherever there is a double white line or a bend and then up to 110 wherever you might be able to pass them.

Anyway I have mastered the Defender wind up where you start accelerating a good bit of time in advance and then pull out and pass in a blaze of glory (in my mind at least). I love seeing the surprised look on people's faces when they see what they think is an old style Landy passing them! Even better when it is a Toyota!

Also I am not sure if I would want to go much faster but I have been up to 135kph when I was passing a truck. To be honest it didn't feel too bad but I was going in straight line.

[cafe latte]

:D You are right about the surprised look from Toyota drivers. I just got home and on the way home I got stuck behind a small caravan towed by a V8 petrol 200 series Cruiser. I ended up passing romping passed with ease in an overtaking lane he did look rather surprised to see a green classic looking Defender flying passed him with a caravan on the back.
Chris

[cuppabillytea]

A bloke in a holden ute tried to drag me off at the lights this morning. Sorry mate, for that bit of a shock.:twisted:

[tact]

A bloke in a holden ute tried to drag me off at the lights this morning. Sorry mate, for that bit of a shock.:twisted:

Yeah I am finding it hard to resist flooring the throttle in 2nd, 3rd, 4th around the city. Just feels so good...

Not sure if I will see better fuel economy figures as a result of the tune - until I am over that. :twisted:

[cuppabillytea]

Stand by. Later in the week I'll check my fuel economy and let you know. So far it's looking normal.
That Commodore was an SS too. A mate from work saw it and he was still laughing this morning.

[filcar]

Economy is good following the BAS remap.


Recent trip saw 10.6 litres per hundred kilometres with highway speeds up to 108kph.


Second stage of the trip returned 10.9 litres per hundred kilometres with a mornings 4x4 work including low range and then highway speeds up to 115kph.


My D90 had driver and passenger with light luggage, steel bulbar, winch with steel cable and a steel expedition roof rack on AT tyres. Happy with those numbers (manually calculated as the ultraguage needs to be recalibrated).

[Tombie]

Stand by. Later in the week I'll check my fuel economy and let you know. So far it's looking normal.
That Commodore was an SS too. A mate from work saw it and he was still laughing this morning.

Element of surprise I'm guessing.. Because a decent driver in an SS/FPV will obliterate a Defender - tuned or otherwise...

:D

[tact]

Element of surprise I'm guessing.. Because a decent driver in an SS/FPV will obliterate a Defender - tuned or otherwise...

:D

I get done by old corollas... :angel: The DCPU isn't a drag master.

[cuppabillytea]

Fair enough. Given that he only had 60 meters to get me in, he should have had better reflexes.
But hey Tombie? Can't a bloke be allowed a bit of delusion, just for a little while?