Engine and gearbox out

[crackers]

I've put this in the general section in the possibly mistaken belief that the process is more or less the same for all the series.

I'll be pulling the motor AND the gearbox out of Wombat (then suspension and axles etc, hence both of them now).

Is there a recommended/sensible/least idiotic procedure?

I'm thinking
Engine out.
Tail shaft off.
Gearbox out.

But would it be easier to go
Tail shaft
Gearbox
Engine?

Am I best served removing the firewall first? It's only in place now so I can steer the brute pushing her in and out of the shed.

I've got a heavy duty mechanical bottle jack (off a truck), so I can prop up the back of the engine or front of the gearbox or whatever if needed while doing other stuff - it's not going to sag like a hydraulic jack and is as stable as many axle stands.

Also, the engine head isn't bolted on and there are no studs in the block and I've got a horrid feeling I don't have any studs so the motor will be removed without the head (less weight, less size) and with straps (tow rope probably) slung underneath... at least that's the plan. I'm leery of trying to screw bolts into the block just to lift her.

Be more convenient (and cheaper) if I don't have to hire an engine crane either so I'm interested in suggestions there, though not overly passionate about the idea, it mainly means I don't have to be organised and get everything done in a day. Rented house so I'm not going to go hanging things from the shed rafters in case I pull it down.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

When we were lazy or short of time, we used to take the prop shafts off and remove the transfer off the back of the gearbox and drop that out the bottom. That then allowed the gearbox to be taken off the engine and also dropped out the bottom and then the engine out the front.

However if you're doing a complete re-build take all the floor panels and seat box out and lift the whole transmission up and out from the passengers side.

Engine still comes out the front.

[crackers]

I'm glad I asked, I didn't realise the transfer could be separated from the gearbox like that.

She's been stripped down to chassis and firewall so no floors or anything to get in the way

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/96909d1437898793-restoration-wombat-no-guards-side-2607.jpg

I was going to drag her out to clean her up first but maybe I could do that after pulling the motor and gearbox. It'd leave the motor and box covered in years of crud but they'd need to be cleaned again anyway.

[67hardtop]

Hi crackers, ive just done the same thing in my driveway ( rented house too ) here at home. Just cleaned the chassis today and the underside of the tub. 48 yrs of crud has been cleaned off. Now the job begins.....ohhhh so much fun ahead for both of us...lol

Cheers Rod

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[Slunnie]

From there I would most definitely lift the firewall and then take the engine and gearbox out as a single unit.

[crackers]

Hi crackers, ive just done the same thing in my driveway ( rented house too ) here at home. Just cleaned the chassis today and the underside of the tub. 48 yrs of crud has been cleaned off. Now the job begins.....ohhhh so much fun ahead for both of us...lol

Cheers Rod

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I see you're at Blair Athol - wouldn't be scarred by a disreputable visitor would you?

[67hardtop]

Hi crackers, Nah. Very quiet street. Chassis blocked in by s3 landy. Welcome to come check it out if u want. Call me if u wanna come visit. 0419847861. Be prepared to talk lots of land rover language...lol

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[crackers]

From there I would most definitely lift the firewall and then take the engine and gearbox out as a single unit.

I'd definitely need a crane to do engine and gearbox as one unit, then would need to be able to store them as a unit.

Maybe push her out for the big wash. Back in the shed. Pull the firewall (and steering column seeing they're bolted together). Then follow Lotz-A-Landies' routine to get the gearbox and engine out.

I think there's no doubt I can get the gearbox out with just jacks and my son.
I reckon we can do the motor too seeing it's effectively a short motor (just lift the head off, it ain't bolted on) and don't have to lift it too far to clear the chassis - if that proves too silly, then I'd organise a crane.

Of course, I'd have to book my son - his fiance seems to think she's got a call on his time :eek:

[67hardtop]

Take it from me, ( im a mechanic ), crackers, use a crane. Gbox n transfer case pretty heavy, as is the motor. U dont wanna do ur back or crush any fingers. Things have a habit of falling of jacks.

Cheers Rod

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[Slunnie]

Same. I ended up buying a crane and have used it more than enough to justify it. Every time engines, axles, firewalls etc etc need to be moved, lifted etc. They are handy and its a very safe operating procedure to use when doing heavy lifting, especially if you need to get under the vehicle. I've never had a motor that just happened to drop into the right place. they all go in and need shoving and pulling and twisting and tilting and lifting again and lowering just for the engine mounts - thats not to mention trying to not smash or dent everything else around it.

Actually, I couldn't lift an engine and barely a gearbox.

[crackers]

Right you pack of worriers, this followed me home, can I keep it? :D

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98989&stc=1&d=1441886506

I've actually been looking on Gumtree and the like for some time in the hope of finding a bargain... and not finding anything (how many of these brutes are sitting in sheds collecting dust?). Anyways, our conversation here combined with some unexpected generosity from Joe Hockey then meshed with an ad on Gumtree. Some text messages later and now I'm the owner of a little used engine crane and an obviously used engine stand.

It was fun getting them into and out of my MG which is, afterall, just a small hatchback with a very high lift into the boot.

So now I'm running out of excuses :(

[slug_burner]

Good to see. There is the hard way and the easier way, that's closer to the easier way.

[Slunnie]

Great move, you won't regret it, and if you tried to do it without this kit then you will never ever regret it.