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NavyDiver
23rd November 2015, 09:55 PM
"In the ongoing Syrian Civil War, rebels have developed their own tank, Sham II.
The tank is fitted with five video cameras and uses a PlayStation controller to
operate the machine gun. (Pictured) Sham II of the Al-Ansar brigade in action in Bishqatin, Syria."
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/194.jpg
If we got busy with our kids toys and our Landies just imagine:D
Ok stay with the Abrams http://www.army.gov.au/~/media/Images/Our%20work/Equipment%20and%20clothing/Vehicles/M1Abrams_460x306px.jpg?h=299&mh=299&mw=460&w=460&crop=1
Greatsouthernland
23rd November 2015, 11:14 PM
Well the name fits...Sham ;)
I give it 2 seconds against a real tank...or depleted uranium round from any source beyond the range of that rust bucket.
5 points for determination, 5 for creativity, Minus 20 for researching the opposition :D
https://youtu.be/py1P2vVfnl8
https://youtu.be/vXe5Me93oQc
AC/DC TANK CLIP ... :confused:
https://youtu.be/AlErcNY-VjQ
Eevo
24th November 2015, 01:15 AM
I give it 2 seconds against a real tank...or depleted uranium round from any source beyond the range of that rust bucket.
i agree, however, 2 things:
tank vs tank is so rare
there are no real tanks on the ground in Syria :)
NavyDiver
24th November 2015, 08:08 AM
Agree no tank battles. RPG or even a 50cal might make mince meat of a Sham.
The Shams playstation controlled weapons systems is ingenious. :D
Greatsouthernland
24th November 2015, 09:06 AM
i agree, however, 2 things:
tank vs tank is so rare
there are no real tanks on the ground in Syria :)
:eek: I just googled tank syria and there's heaps... or do you mean the apple siri - iphone controlled siri voice activated tank, just in time for xmas :D
...kidding... homophone thing
NavyDiver
24th November 2015, 12:25 PM
500 reasons to not be in a tank in Syria
Saudi Arabia just replenished Syrian rebels with one of the most effective weapons against the Assad regime | Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/syria-rebels-and-tow-missiles-2015-10)
"That's no fewer than 1,800 T-55, T-62 and T-72 tanks plus BMP fighting vehicles exploded, burned, disabled or seized by rebels"
How- TOW http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/hughes-bgm71-tow.jpg
Still think even a humble 7.62 SLR might trouble the Sham at a better cost given a TOW might be $58,908 :angel:
PAT303
24th November 2015, 07:57 PM
[QUOTE=NavyDiver;2455974]Agree no tank battles. RPG or even a 50cal might make mince meat of a Sham.
No way,look at the sloped glacis,thats T34 tech right there :o. Pat
NavyDiver
24th November 2015, 09:05 PM
[QUOTE=NavyDiver;2455974]Agree no tank battles. RPG or even a 50cal might make mince meat of a Sham.
No way,look at the sloped glacis,thats T34 tech right there :o. Pat
T34 2" to 5" in thickness armour Sham 1/4 inch steel (or less?)
The maker/designer of the Sham 11 Mahmud Abud of the Al-Ansar rebel brigade thinks it would stand up to "23 mm cannon fire" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2012/12/10/syria-rebels-playstation-tank-sham-ii-video_n_2272930.html?ir=Australia)
A 1/2 inch steel plate at 350 metres at LIttle River Rifle range looked like swiss cheese from admittedly a lot of shots. Not at all sure I would like to be driving Sham into 23mm fire:eek: Down the free way behind my bike could be cool
Blknight.aus
24th November 2015, 09:42 PM
Given my choice of
The nature of the Ammunition
The chucking device
the engagement area
Id happily brass up against that thing with as small as 5.56.
hell, with sufficient lack of caffine, on a bad enough day with a big enough head of angry up in a tight enough urban environment if it was unsupported Id have a go at making that things crew very unhappy with a 9mm pistol.
as to what it would survive against, thats a typo, the decimal is one digit too far right.
PAT303
24th November 2015, 10:12 PM
[quote=PAT303;2456310]
T34 2" to 5" in thickness armour Sham 1/4 inch steel (or less?)
The maker/designer of the Sham 11 Mahmud Abud of the Al-Ansar rebel brigade thinks it would stand up to "23 mm cannon fire" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2012/12/10/syria-rebels-playstation-tank-sham-ii-video_n_2272930.html?ir=Australia)
A 1/2 inch steel plate at 350 metres at LIttle River Rifle range looked like swiss cheese from admittedly a lot of shots. Not at all sure I would like to be driving Sham into 23mm fire:eek: Down the free way behind my bike could be cool
You realise I was joking,I've shot cast alloy bullets through 1/2 plate with one of my 303's at 100mtrs so you wouldn't catch me in that thing. Pat
BMKal
25th November 2015, 01:43 PM
I'm just wondering if their tanks are as high-tech as their missile launchers.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/134.jpg (http://postimage.org/) :wasntme:
lebanon
27th November 2015, 01:47 AM
The last one's shape remindsme of WWI tanks
http://news.yahoo.com/kurdish-fighters-are-making-diy-tanks-to-fight-171230402.html'soc_src=copy
Dark61
27th November 2015, 07:58 AM
"Al-Ansar brigade "
are these the goodies or the baddies?
cheers,
D
Lotz-A-Landies
27th November 2015, 09:45 AM
i agree, however, 2 things:
tank vs tank is so rare
there are no real tanks on the ground in Syria :)I'm not sure what this is then?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/96.jpg
However it may defend against very small arms fire, but a .50 cal will go straight through that plate, which likely isn't armour pate. On top of that they have a very tall side profile where they didn't learn the WWII lessons of sloping the "armour" to effectively increase the thickness of the plate without increasing the weight. After all their insurgent enemy are likely too come from any quarter.
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