Long Range Tanks. Replacement or

[Babs]

Hi Guys,

Want to get some feedback on Long Range Tanks, I wanted to see what options you all have.

My last Deefer had the Rear 1/4 Mulgo 45L tank but apparently they are not available anymore in Australia.

So I have been looking at the Brown Davis 130L Replacement Tank, does anyone have this, photos would be appreciated.

Or there is the Brown Davis Auxiliary 80L sil Tank that goes under drivers side.

I have been told the Auxiliary tank hangs down too low and am swaying towards the Replacement Tank.

Anyways I look forward to any recommendations you might have.

Cheers, Babs.






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[JoeFriend]

Following this as I also want to know.

I believe you can still get a frontrunner aux tank from mulgo or dolium - but I am curious about other options as I have 255/85s fitted and apparently they arent compatible!

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[loneranger]

Following this as I also want to know.

I believe you can still get a frontrunner aux tank from mulgo or dolium - but I am curious about other options as I have 255/85s fitted and apparently they arent compatible!

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I sent Mulgo an email a week or so ago as he still has it listed on his website and still haven't received a response. You can get them from Singapore for a reasonable price.

FRONT RUNNER 45L ADDITIONAL FUEL TANK - RIGHT FENDER / LAND ROVER DEFENDER 110 (http://www.4wd.com.sg/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_77&product_id=140)

[rick130]

LRA and Long Ranger also make alternatives including supplementary sill tanks.

My 130 has an LRA sill tank, ostensibly around 70l but it's a bitch to fill.

[Blknight.aus]

I've always advocated extra tanks over a single larger one. gives you a reserve incase you get contamination or rupture a tank.

Dads landy has an equivelent of the 130 your asking about bolted up.

[Babs]

I think it might be someone from the forum here, that has a YouTube walk around vid of his Deefer.

I'm pretty sure he has a LRA Replacement Tank and said he had to remove the rear sway bar for it to fit.

Can anyone clarify this. Is this the case with all replacement tanks or is it just a LRA Balls Up.

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[landy]

Hi Babs,
I have a 130 litre LRA tank and I couldn't fit a rear anti roll bar when I put one on the front.
It's not so much an LRA balls up though as anti roll bars weren't fitted to early models when the tanks were released.

Good tanks though and I get ~1000km from mine on a run. Regularly get ~940 -950 km normal everyday driving. Just fill up when it's cheap.

[ozy013]

I have the Long Ranger 120ltr replacement tank on mine, it came with 75mm spacers to allow the sway bar to clear the tank.

I think this is the build your looking for, https://youtu.be/m7cj13CtkJU

At about 7:15 in.

[Babs]

I have the Long Ranger 120ltr replacement tank on mine, it came with 75mm spacers to allow the sway bar to clear the tank. I think this is the build your looking for, Video Link: https://youtu.be/m7cj13CtkJU (https://youtu.be/m7cj13CtkJU) At about 7:15 in.

Yep that's the one.

Any pics of your tank?

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[Babs]

Hi Babs, I have a 130 litre LRA tank and I couldn't fit a rear anti roll bar when I put one on the front. It's not so much an LRA balls up though as anti roll bars weren't fitted to early models when the tanks were released. Good tanks though and I get ~1000km from mine on a run. Regularly get ~940 -950 km normal everyday driving. Just fill up when it's cheap.

Thanks Landy

I don't particularly want to remove my sway bar.

That's good range your getting.

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[Babs]

I've always advocated extra tanks over a single larger one. gives you a reserve incase you get contamination or rupture a tank. Dads landy has an equivelent of the 130 your asking about bolted up.

Is he happy with his?

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[Babs]

Spoke with Brown Davis this afternoon, they don't do a replacement tank for Puma, only 70L auxiliary under drivers side. He said they don't hang down and is a push button electric feed to the main tank.

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[Blknight.aus]

Is he happy with his?

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no choice, its how it came.

but yes, he enjoys the range it can give him.

[Black 110]

Spoke with Brown Davis this afternoon, they don't do a replacement tank for Puma, only 70L auxiliary under drivers side. He said they don't hang down and is a push button electric feed to the main tank.

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So they don't do this one anymore?

http://www.browndavis.com.au/tank-images/LDER4.pdf

I was under the impression it would fit a Puma as a replacement...

[Black 110]

Hmmm...sorry that didn't work.

Do a search for LDER4 in Google...

[rick130]

I've always advocated extra tanks over a single larger one. gives you a reserve incase you get contamination or rupture a tank.



This.

And the replacement tanks appear to hang down a long way, although it may not be as big an issue as it appears.

[landy]

I don't drive particularly hard and it's a lot less if I'm towing the camper. Camper touring gets me ~ 850-900 km per tank. But in fairness thats topped up to the brim. I,ll get about 100 km before it even starts to register the needle starting to move when full to the brim.

If you do get one check want size and shape it is. Mine is 130 litres and 'wraps' under the rear chassis member affectivly covering the right hand rear anti roll bar chassis mount. 75mm spacer or not you can't bolt up a rear anti roll bar.

[Babs]

So they don't do this one anymore? Video Link: http://www.browndavis.com.au/tank-images/LDER4.pdf (http://www.browndavis.com.au/tank-images/LDER4.pdf) I was under the impression it would fit a Puma as a replacement...

Apparently not, he said they don't do it due to so many variations in towbars, and they don't fit with the standard LR Towbar.

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[numpty]

I have a Longranger fitted to the 130 (was already there) complete with anti roll bar.

Same tank as on my 110. Hayman Reese towbar is only compatible with this. not Land Rover towbar.

[Bushie]

I have a long ranger sill tank fitted to my Tdi, nominal around 75 litres. You loose the under seat (drivers) cubby, and have to remove the seat and lid to fill, but I've never really found it to be a problem. Fuel sender to the tank has never really worked properly, but I dont think thats a 'tank' problem.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/756.jpg

Hangs down to chassis level, I don't think I've ever hit it though.


Martyn

[defmec]

Put A couple of jerry cans on the back and use the spare $900+ for something worthwhile .I have done a fair bit of touring and never came short of a petrol station.

[Bushie]

I would tend to agree - unless you are doing remote touring and need the fuel load.

ie pic above approx 240 litres on board.

Martyn

[MrLandy]

A long range tank is much safer, more convenient and you're less likely to get dirt in the fuel from jerry cans. The fuel weight is carried down low, easier to fill, less weight on roof, no potential missiles. ...If you can afford it a long ranger tank would be the way to go IMO.

[Jesters Td5]

Recently did the Long ranger 127+ aux 37L gravity fed system.

fits nicely and no issues with sway or anything else back there as a replacement to the original. Now used a tank full around town with 2 trips into some very soft sand (testing the vehicle set up) requiring a little bit of "trax" action and manged 1200km before the little orange light came on.

[ATH]

I have the original tank plus a 45 ltr in rear wing giving approx. 120ltrs. I saw a shorty with nice looking rear wheel carrier and 2 jerry holders recently and thought that might be the way to go instead of tucking 2 jerries inside/uptop for those extra long trips.
Not at 2600 + bucks I won't be though and I don't care how well made they are, that's an outrageous price.
Plus it would mean getting rid of my existing Rijidig carrier and trying to flog that for a reasonable price and getting the whole new set-up at the above price plus fitting, although I'd probably do that myself.
And as a new vehicle is probably not far away it's all just a time wasting exercise for me. ;)
AlanH.

[filcar]

I have the original tank plus a 45 ltr in rear wing giving approx. 120ltrs. I saw a shorty with nice looking rear wheel carrier and 2 jerry holders recently and thought that might be the way to go instead of tucking 2 jerries inside/uptop for those extra long trips.
Not at 2600 + bucks I won't be though and I don't care how well made they are, that's an outrageous price.
Plus it would mean getting rid of my existing Rijidig carrier and trying to flog that for a reasonable price and getting the whole new set-up at the above price plus fitting, although I'd probably do that myself.
And as a new vehicle is probably not far away it's all just a time wasting exercise for me. ;)
AlanH.


Just acquired a Rijidij rear wheel carrier with jerry cans for my 90. For the around the cost of a fitted sill tank with about 45litres I can now carry 40 litres on the back PLUS I have the spare wheel off the back door removing any future problems with sealing or sagging. Money well spent I reckon.
Phil

[ATH]

I like the wheel carrier but the extra 1500 or so to cart 2 jerries is not for me. But they will be well made as is all Rijidiji stuff.
AlanH.

[MrLandy]

A Long Ranger 120ltr tank is better value than the two jerrycan holder for $1500 IMO. I'd go for that with a single wheel carrier.

[Babs]

So if you have a genuine Towbar I have been told the LongRanger won't fit?????

Can anyone confirm.

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[Jesters Td5]

So if you have a genuine Towbar I have been told the LongRanger won't fit?????

Can anyone confirm.

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Had no issues getting mine in and I have original towbar with rijidij spare wheel carrier above it. Not much clearance but more than enough for the rare towing I do.

[filcar]

A Long Ranger 120ltr tank is better value than the two jerrycan holder for $1500 IMO. I'd go for that with a single wheel carrier.
Choices for a 90 are rather limited.

[ATH]

I think your info is right Babs, as a previous Deafener I had was fitted with a Hayman Reece tow bar for just that reason. The LR product has angled side arms attaching to the chassis and the Loneranger won't go between them. Jester reckons his fitted OK so maybe there's a difference there somewhere with what his vehicle is set up with.
AlanH.

[DiscoMick]

Mine had a Long Ranger replacement tank fitted when I bought it, I think its either 110 litres or 120, gives a range of at least 1000 kms. I have a Hayman Reece towbar and the tank doesn't seem to cause any problems with the anti-roll bar, nor does it hang low enough to bang. I like the idea that one day I can still add the 40 litre tank to gravity feed between the filler and the main tank. Keep it simple. Much more convenient than mucking around with fuel cans.

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[MrLandy]

So if you have a genuine Towbar I have been told the LongRanger won't fit?????

Can anyone confirm.

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Yes I plan to get a Long Ranger tank when have the cash, which is why I fitted a HR towbar. Bummer if you already have a Land Rover towbar. Should be easy to sell though?

[blackapache]

I have the LRA as well on my TD5 2000 defender. I get 1050kms a tank every time, around town or freeway there's still at least 10L left in it when I fill up and I almost never see the fuel light come on. I can't fault it - or at least couldn't until I now have to install a new fuel pump in the next week... but thats really Land Rovers fault now isn't it...:angel:

[Col 110]

Yes I plan to get a Long Ranger tank when have the cash, which is why I fitted a HR towbar. Bummer if you already have a Land Rover towbar. Should be easy to sell though?

So - without any planning for a fuel tank I fitted a HR towbar on the new 110 :)

I will look at a Long Ranger Tank next year......

[Jesters Td5]

I think your info is right Babs, as a previous Deafener I had was fitted with a Hayman Reece tow bar for just that reason. The LR product has angled side arms attaching to the chassis and the Loneranger won't go between them. Jester reckons his fitted OK so maybe there's a difference there somewhere with what his vehicle is set up with.
AlanH.

I bought the girl second (well maybe 4th hand) and to my knowledge the towbar is standard as the owners have all been obsessive compulsive (I have the receipts from the very first 1K service right though until I bought her). There was some "moulding" to get the long ranger in, but it went in without any issue and I have now had it in for over 4 months and been on sand, telegraph tracks and a bit of fun in the mud and noticed no issues while driving or afterwards while under her with the karcher to get all that crap out of the millions of holes that Land Rover insist on putting in their undercarriage. I know there is a reason for every last one of them but after crawling through mud that dragged along the rock sliders and walking up a 24 - 27 degree slope full of red dirt and holes big enough to bury the mother in law in they are a real pain in the arse to get clean

[LR V8]

More recent news...

I had a chat with LRA this morning. Apparently they redesigned the replacement main tank 2 years ago and it is now compatible with the sway bar - no need to remove it.

I also asked if it was compatible with the HR Class 4 tow bar and they said they were not aware of any issues.

Also... looking at the photo, the rear of the tank is now angled at each corner. Perhaps the stock tow bar now fits with it as well ? Worth a follow up for those interested.

https://longrangeautomotive.com.au/Landrover-Defender-130-Landrover-Defender-110-134L-Replacement~256

Cheers,

Pete

[ozrob]

LRA and Long Ranger also make alternatives including supplementary sill tanks.

My 130 has an LRA sill tank, ostensibly around 70l but it's a bitch to fill.

I have both the LH and RH LRA sill tanks, it gives me lots of fuel capacity, no issues when off foad.
They were a bugger to fit by your self without a hoist, and there were no real instructions on how to connect the piping.
I ended up needing to put an additional vent pipe for when the tank transfer pump is running as it took for ever to empty the tank into the main tank.
I used a Mulgo Y filler for the RH tank and used the LRA filler for the LH tank.
All in all much better than carrying gerry cans as all i need to do is flick a switch in the cabin.
https://longrangeautomotive.com.au/Landrover-Defender-110-65L-Auxiliary~253

[Longtimer]

G'Day Gents,

The first things I went for after the roo bar, spotties, snorkle, HR tow hitch, cruise control (once you have it, you don't get speeding tickets.... :) and it's great on a long runs, even though I will choose to drive as well), electric trailer brake unit.... to go on my 90.

Was 2 belly tanks. I got them from Mulgro. He had them knocked up here in Oz, and they were cheaper than the SA prices e had advertised. Bolted straight in. I used his Y filler, and a second Y, so I can fill all three tanks from the filler. I have 150L of fuel before the light comes on. That's over 1500Km of normal running. OEM switches with fuel bousers to control the transfers. :) Got to have a bit of class. :)
Great for balancing the load. Simply empty the heavy side first.

I did the power line track a couple of months ago. They didn't touch, but I thought they had a couple of times. I thought there was going to be tears when I got out and looked, but not a mark on them. :) So my solution is to lift it a little. :) Which I wanted to do anyway. The bottom of the tanks are level with the bottom of the chassis.

I believe they are more than worth the money. Beats trying to put 5 Jerry cans in the back to get the same range.... Then having to pour them in at 2 in the morning..... Oh what fun that is.... :(
And you get better stability on angles when full. :)

If you pester Mulgro, he will get them made for you.

Cheers,

Phill.

[LR V8]

LRA 134 ltr tank fitted by TJM. No issue with swar bar or HR tow bar. Clearance looks ok.

Cheers,

Pete

[dcale]

LRA 134 ltr tank fitted by TJM. No issue with swar bar or HR tow bar. Clearance looks ok.

Cheers,

Pete

Hi Pete,

Did the sway bar mount extension come with the tank of did you get them fabricated?

Thanks,

Darren

[Rick Fischer]

Hiyas

Just some info on the RH rear 45ltr.

As the story goes - The Sth Effrican mafr was blufffed out of export to Australia by one of the big aftermarket retailers with threats of legal action, and supposed Oz non approval??????? Anyway local distributors could no longer source them. If one goes online to the SA web site they come up but with $0 Aus. Can't get them privately either.

Thinks it was Mulgo, is trying to get an Aust. replacement up and running. Did s say he'd call when they were up and running. So, suggest if you want one talk to them. Show demand.

However, did see the post about sourcing from Singapore. :0) might be the way to go.

Cheers

RF

[Babs]

Hiyas Just some info on the RH rear 45ltr. As the story goes - The Sth Effrican mafr was blufffed out of export to Australia by one of the big aftermarket retailers with threats of legal action, and supposed Oz non approval??????? Anyway local distributors could no longer source them. If one goes online to the SA web site they come up but with $0 Aus. Can't get them privately either. Thinks it was Mulgo, is trying to get an Aust. replacement up and running. Did s say he'd call when they were up and running. So, suggest if you want one talk to them. Show demand. However, did see the post about sourcing from Singapore. :0) might be the way to go. Cheers RF


Must have missed the post about them being available in Singapore.
Do you have any info on this ?

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[LR V8]

Hi Pete,

Did the sway bar mount extension come with the tank of did you get them fabricated?

Thanks,

Darren

Came with the kit Darren.

Tank was $1155. Install $450. Fill tank for leak test $121 (they only put in 120 ltrs).

I also like the fact that they are now painted black :)

Cheers,

Pete

[recalcitrant]

More recent news...

I had a chat with LRA this morning. Apparently they redesigned the replacement main tank 2 years ago and it is now compatible with the sway bar - no need to remove it.

I also asked if it was compatible with the HR Class 4 tow bar and they said they were not aware of any issues.

Also... looking at the photo, the rear of the tank is now angled at each corner. Perhaps the stock tow bar now fits with it as well ? Worth a follow up for those interested.

https://longrangeautomotive.com.au/Landrover-Defender-130-Landrover-Defender-110-134L-Replacement~256

Cheers,

Pete



I had one of these fitted to a 2011 110 a couple of months ago, fits with the factory towbar. They removed the towbar to put the tank in and replaced after fitting the tank. Also came with extended brackets to keep the sway bar.

[Cammo]

Okay.... so will it fit a Puma 130 with factory towbar, swaybar in place and a SALISBURY diff?

[DiscoMick]

I have a Long Ranger 120 litre in the 110 - fits fine.

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[Bernd VonCrashen]

Out of curiousity, how many of you have a long range tank in the rear and also while it was out, got the access panel in the rear boot cut in or had it cut in before?

What I am really looking for is, does this change the position of the actual pump position in comparison to the original when you have the larger tank in or do they in up in the same place. Just don't want to cut and then later install a long range to find out I can't access it. Murphy is a long time friend of mine....

I am about to drop and cut in with the original to get access, but not sure if I will go one large tank or go for the many smaller one to fit in the rear. I will eventually also like have the under seat sill tank too over time though that is of no effect to the above.

[Michael2]

My 300Tdi 110 had a Long Ranger main and sill tank combo (155 litres) when I bought it. Around 1,350km safe touring (either fully loaded high speed, or around town - I'm sure I could get better at unloaded highway cruise).
The 110 came with a tow bar.

It was good, but I still had to top up with expensive and perhaps dubious fuel in the Gulf, or across the Kimberley.

I fitted 2 LRA sill tanks, which are 70 litres (RHS) and 50 litres (LHS) (due to battery box). These sit flush with or slightly higher than the chassis rails. This gives me a safe touring distance of about 2,400km, or just a single refuel from Melbourne to Perth. I'm sure that if I kept it at under 100kph and drove on cool nights, I could probably push that to 3,000km :o

It keeps the centre of gravity low, allows me to 'refuel' the main tank without getting diesel on my hands, and balances the car well. My side steps didn't fit after the installation, so I had to fit Terra Firma rock/tree sliders. The rock sliders provide Side Impact Protection, but are too high to protect the bottom of the tanks. I've obviously lost some rock crawling clearance, where the rock or rock step under the wheel might be higher than the chassis rail.

I like that I can buy cheap, clean fuel at a servo of my choice, and that for remote trips such as the Canning Stock Route, or zig zagging through the Kimberley, I don't need to detour for fuel or carry jerry cans on the roof.

I don't tow, and because there are 5 of us, we carry light weight camping gear. Weight would be the biggest consideration, and if you're towing, why not just carry jerrys on the trailer.

[MrLandy]

My 300Tdi 110 had a Long Ranger main and sill tank combo (155 litres) when I bought it. Around 1,350km safe touring (either fully loaded high speed, or around town - I'm sure I could get better at unloaded highway cruise).
The 110 came with a tow bar.

It was good, but I still had to top up with expensive and perhaps dubious fuel in the Gulf, or across the Kimberley.

I fitted 2 LRA sill tanks, which are 70 litres (RHS) and 50 litres (LHS) (due to battery box). These sit flush with or slightly higher than the chassis rails. This gives me a safe touring distance of about 2,400km, or just a single refuel from Melbourne to Perth. I'm sure that if I kept it at under 100kph and drove on cool nights, I could probably push that to 3,000km :o

It keeps the centre of gravity low, allows me to 'refuel' the main tank without getting diesel on my hands, and balances the car well. My side steps didn't fit after the installation, so I had to fit Terra Firma rock/tree sliders. The rock sliders provide Side Impact Protection, but are too high to protect the bottom of the tanks. I've obviously lost some rock crawling clearance, where the rock or rock step under the wheel might be higher than the chassis rail.

I like that I can buy cheap, clean fuel at a servo of my choice, and that for remote trips such as the Canning Stock Route, or zig zagging through the Kimberley, I don't need to detour for fuel or carry jerry cans on the roof.

I don't tow, and because there are 5 of us, we carry light weight camping gear. Weight would be the biggest consideration, and if you're towing, why not just carry jerrys on the trailer.

Very helpful post, thanks Michael.