Headlamps - Led surround

[pprass]

How come the LED surround strip of my headlamps on my D4 TDV6 MY15 don't illuminate? Do I have them to start with, or is that not available for the base models?
The first photo shows what I see on other Discovery's and the second photo is my vehicle.

[LRD414]

No LEDs in base model headlights. Assuming you are referring to the areas highlighted on the photo attached? No LEDs in there sorry.

Scott

[pprass]

No LEDs in base model headlights.
Ok - thought that was the case. Thanks Scott. They do look kinda cool though :cool:

[LRD414]

I agree. The higher spec lights is one thing I wish I'd spec'd.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

It's always the case, no matter what spec you order there always seems to be at least one function you wished you had, for me it was the Nav and rear cameras. :BigCry:

[LandyAndy]

Have you tried the dealer????
Im thinking they could actually be a dealer fit option.My Topix sheet says no DRLs,definately has them,the option cost was $524.48(Xenon headlights,signature DRL).
Could be worth enquiring if you want them.
Andrew

[LRD414]

IIRC the signature DRL is the LEDs that come with the Xenon lights, whereas the base level DRLs are the round halogen lights in the main light assembly (turned on in the photo I attached). But I can't explain Topix saying no DRL:confused:

Scott

[LandyAndy]

I can no longer enter my Topix ac for some reason.Perhaps it was no DRL signature lights.
Mine is a TDV6 pov pack,dealer special with leather,Xenon headlights,rear camera,upgrade meridian sound,free 12months rego CTP and free extended warranty to 5 years,$79,990 drive away.At the time a 3.0l SE with 100000km was around the $60000.
Andrew

[LRD414]

Mine is a TDV6 pov pack,dealer special with leather,Xenon headlights,rear camera,upgrade meridian sound,.....
Ok that's the difference Andrew, Xenon headlights gives you the signature LED DRLs.

I just checked Topix for mine. I have standard halogen lights .... it says "LESS DAYTIME RUNNING LAMPS" meaning this option is not fitted. But I think this may be referring to the LEDs that can be put into the front bumper low down (like the image below), rather than the round DRLs in the headlight.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Scott

[letherm]

Ok that's the difference Andrew, Xenon headlights gives you the signature LED DRLs.

I just checked Topix for mine. I have standard halogen lights .... it says "LESS DAYTIME RUNNING LAMPS" meaning this option is not fitted. But I think this may be referring to the LEDs that can be put into the front bumper low down (like the image below), rather than the round DRLs in the headlight.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/d3-d4-rrs/78171d1401765864-converting-fog-lights-daytime-running-lights-images.jpg

Scott

I have an HSE and no DRL's. Asked the dealer and he said that they weren't fitted. I thought that they were the led's around the headlight too but apparently not.:(:(:(

Martin

[LRD414]

I have an HSE and no DRL's. Asked the dealer and he said that they weren't fitted.

So you do have Xenon lights Martin?

[SBD4]

I have an HSE and no DRL's. Asked the dealer and he said that they weren't fitted. I thought that they were the led's around the headlight too but apparently not.:(:(:(

Martin
Martin, can't quite remember when the "solid" signature LED lights were introduced (I thought 2013), are yours the solid ones or the older "spaced" signature lights? If it is the spaced ones, then to have DRLs, the ones that are shown in the pic that Scott posted would have to be installed(on the lower bumper). If you have the newer "solid" sig lights then they themselves are the DRLs.

[pprass]

Have you tried the dealer???? Could be worth enquiring if you want them.
Andrew
No - but I have the vehicle booked in for 16 Dec with a dealer in Melbourne and I'll ask then.
Peter

[LRD414]

No - but I have the vehicle booked in for 16 Dec with a dealer in Melbourne and I'll ask then.
Peter
I'd be interested in the answer to this. Pretty sure it's a problem to change from halogen to xenon. I think I read on here where someone tried it but couldn't get the vehicle to talk to the xenon. So that would mean you'd need a halogen light but with signature LED DRL and I'm not sure if such a thing exists.

Scott

[letherm]

So you do have Xenon lights Martin?

Yes, I do.

Martin

[letherm]

Martin, can't quite remember when the "solid" signature LED lights were introduced (I thought 2013), are yours the solid ones or the older "spaced" signature lights? If it is the spaced ones, then to have DRLs, the ones that are shown in the pic that Scott posted would have to be installed(on the lower bumper). If you have the newer "solid" sig lights then they themselves are the DRLs.

I have the spaced ones so the bumper inserts would be DRL's for my model.

Salesman at a dealership (not where I bought the car) told me the spaced led's were DRL's.

I could always turn on the parking lights but I've gotten used to the auto setting now.:D

Martin

[BMKal]

I have the spaced ones so the bumper inserts would be DRL's for my model.

Salesman at a dealership (not where I bought the car) told me the spaced led's were DRL's.

I could always turn on the parking lights but I've gotten used to the auto setting now.:D

Martin

A lot of car salesmen generally don't know a hell of a lot about the vehicles they're selling. ;)

In the earlier D4 with Xenon headlights and "spaced" LED's within the light assembly (as I have on my D4) - the LED's are "signature" lights and NOT DRL's.

They are nowhere near bright / powerful enough to be considered DRL's, and are not wired up / programmed to function as DRL's. The only Land Rover OEM option for DRL's with these lights is the separate units mounted low in the bumper, as shown in Scott's photo.

[Celtoid]

I'd be interested in the answer to this. Pretty sure it's a problem to change from halogen to xenon. I think I read on here where someone tried it but couldn't get the vehicle to talk to the xenon. So that would mean you'd need a halogen light but with signature LED DRL and I'm not sure if such a thing exists.

Scott

Yeah, that was me.

I'd read on a UK forum that heaps of folks had done D3s so I'm certain it can be done on a D4 but I just couldn't find anybody locally that had made the CCF changes before and in one instance where I got an Indi willing to try, their diagnostic tool couldn't get into my CCF 'deep' enough. They were also worried that the wiring, etc., may not actually be the same in both cars, as in the Xenon lights might require heavier gauge wiring for example. So there may be a risk of fire or damage to the car. I followed that line of questioning but nobody I talked to could confirm one way or the other.

I managed to pull a fav with LR (cause they generally frown on changes like this, so I was told) but they could only find one file, which when changed didn't work completely. I was told on this forum that there may be at least two files that require a change.

I'm sure with time (or knowledge) and the right tool it would be simple enough .... however, I just gave up as I was short on all of those.

What hasn't been mentioned either is the prohibitive price of the lights as they are a complete unit containing ballast and shutter motors, etc. Or should I just say the prohibitive price 'cause they are LR .... LOL!!! The price itself is the main reason nobody changes over, I'd wager. Even on eBay in the UK they are very hexi.

Cheers.

[pprass]

I was at the dealer's today getting the radio checked out and I asked about the lights and Scott is correct - I have halogen lights and that means I don't have the xenon with the led surround.
I asked about a change-over possibility, but was told that it is a huge job with extra wiring loom and very expensive headlamps. Apparently if one globe goes on the xenon lights it costs around $600 to replace!
So - I will leave it as is knowing that if I do have a globe go, it won't cost me much to replace it.

[LRD414]

Peter, I recently changed the bulbs in my round DRLs within the standard halogen light for about $25.
The new bulb provides a much whiter light. It's not brighter but is more in keeping with the headlights in its colour and I think looks much better.
Certainly not as good as the strip LEDs but an improvement anyway.
Photo doesn't really do it justice.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/492.jpg

Some details here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/2464780-post49.html

Scott

[pprass]

That's a great compromise Scott - the yellow lights do spoil the look of the front end and those globes look very good.
I'll be ordering some when we return home to Port Macquarie

Thanks
Peter

[Celtoid]

I was at the dealer's today getting the radio checked out and I asked about the lights and Scott is correct - I have halogen lights and that means I don't have the xenon with the led surround.
I asked about a change-over possibility, but was told that it is a huge job with extra wiring loom and very expensive headlamps. Apparently if one globe goes on the xenon lights it costs around $600 to replace!
So - I will leave it as is knowing that if I do have a globe go, it won't cost me much to replace it.


So, if we're talking exact MY Halogen to Xenon, I'd actually like to see part numbers and wiring diagrams to ensure there are actually loom or other componentry differences. Nobody thus far has convinced me one way or the other that there are differences .... and no dealer, no Indi and nobody on this forum could say otherwise for a D4 when I looked at it not that long ago.....nothing against them, but at the time they just had no knowledge of it being done. When I looked at it, it was an MY13 SE Halogen to MY13 SE Xenon swap.


There are definitely wiring loom differences between any MY15 and older models regardless of them being Halogen or otherwise because the headlights are completely different ..... MY14 was the last model with a two part headlight I believe. But there is a fix for that.


There appears to have been quite a few options across D3 & D4 from basic Halogen, Halogen with LED, Xenon with LED and Active Xenon with LED ..... The headlights are a complete unit regarding shutters and ballasts but never got to the bottom of the parts differences outside that ... if any.


CCF is probably going to be an issue regardless....unless you have a tool.


Regarding the cost of the Xenon bulb, I'm sure with some shopping around you could get a better price than $600 a pop (no pun intended :D) but based on my first D4 ... it was 4.5 years old, close to 90K on the clock and there were no signs of light degradation in any way. Apparently they don't just pop, they start getting old. So maybe 6 years or more with far better, safe light, I wouldn't factor that cost as an issue into the equation. The cost of the lights themselves are just nasty.


However, some folks with D4s, once a little older and the parts are cheaper, and they have a diagnostic tool, may wish to know the full details.