ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE HELL THIS IS???

[blackapache]

Hey guys, so I'm stripping the interior and cleaning up the truck in my time off, insulating it and all that. So im under the drivers seat and im finally going to untangle the mess that was there when I bought it, reline it, insulate etc etc.. I had a dual battery setup on the other side that was shot and also it was setup with trailer brake etc..

so what is this thing? I though it was just a trailer brake setup, as by the way it was just hacked into the ECU, i did a search on the part number SAAB FRCRTD5 and it comes up with a lot of pages in foreign languages but not a whole lot else, i've narrowed it down ( i think) to either an aftermarket ABS controller, a diesel performance setup - dimsport in Europe do this with this part number, or it's some sort of trailer brake attachment.

Any ideas guys.... FYI ive had a persistent surging problem for a loooong time now. Ive literally chased everything, wastegates, turbo hoses, thermostats, handbrakes, alternators - just redid the fuel pump and harmonic balancer too as they needed doing... I'm wondering if my NNN ECU upgrade from Jose is having conflict with what could be some sort of diesel tuning setup maybe? it has a little control box with a simple on/off switch and a blue light that comes on.. The car was sluggish as hell when i got it... joses map and allisports intercooler helped that out, but i have joses turbo coming soon and want to sort this out..

ANY IDEAS???:confused:

thanks again guys.

jesse

[blackapache]

here's the photos

[Eevo]

ejection seat button?

[Disco Muppet]

I've seen something like that before, it seems to have escaped me now...
But I think it could be a clip on tuning box?
Paging Tombie...

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[Phil B]

The first photo's look like some type of ECU chip.
If it is it could account for your performance issues.
Does the light come on when you push the brake pedal?
If it does then it could be a brake controller.
You could also check this by attaching a voltmeter between pin no 5 (service brake) and earth on the trailer plug.
If you get voltage across these two when you push the brake it means that the trailer brake is working.
Alternatively it could be a combination of both! :o
Best bet IMO is to rip the whole lot out, go back to the standard set up and start again.:wasntme:


Good luck!!

[Homestar]

What ever it is, with that many scotch locks, it's one heck of a dodgy installation. As suggested by others, I'd rip the whole lot out.

[Dopey]

Would it be a BAS fixed limit boost box?

Mike.

[Blknight.aus]

What it is, is worthy of me extending my expletive range...

Get it out, reterninate the harness plugs correctly and do it right. Its such utterly crap install work Im not even going to waste the bandwidth to see the full size pictures. Assuming the quality of the components is better than the quality of the install work (which isnt saying much) its probably still not up to par with other stuff you can obtain and I'll just shortcut the list here

traxide Dual Battery System (Drivesafe on here)
Tombies Remaps (was Tombie2 last time he was here) (IF you already have a remapped ECU then you dont need this unless your map is buggy)
A tekonsha trailer brake controller (alko suppliers)
Suspension stuff for your new springs/shocks (the mates rates kit)
MR automotive for NIRTS parts and Roverlord via the forum for routine/service parts
Daves interesting things (Incisor) for your workshop manual/Rave CD
and AULRO for short notice help and general comraderie
Various forum users taglines for chuckles and inspiration
And P38Rover if you need to spell something.

[Mick_Marsh]

And P38Rover if you need to spell something.
That would be "p38arover".

[Colin6]

I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I commit an offence, or get it completely wrong and it makes no sense. The wires it is attached to look to be the injector wires, yellow with a coloured trace. This may explain the performance issues if it is feeding power in. If you remove it check the wires carefully as some of the strands will have been cut by the connectors.

[mekon76]

The little black box is definitely the Internet.

[Homestar]

I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I commit an offence, or get it completely wrong and it makes no sense. The wires it is attached to look to be the injector wires, yellow with a coloured trace. This may explain the performance issues if it is feeding power in. If you remove it check the wires carefully as some of the strands will have been cut by the connectors.

No offence committed, all comments and insights welcome. :). Welcome to the forum. :)

[blackapache]

What it is, is worthy of me extending my expletive range...

Get it out, reterninate the harness plugs correctly and do it right. Its such utterly crap install work Im not even going to waste the bandwidth to see the full size pictures. Assuming the quality of the components is better than the quality of the install work (which isnt saying much) its probably still not up to par with other stuff you can obtain and I'll just shortcut the list here

traxide Dual Battery System (Drivesafe on here)
Tombies Remaps (was Tombie2 last time he was here) (IF you already have a remapped ECU then you dont need this unless your map is buggy)
A tekonsha trailer brake controller (alko suppliers)
Suspension stuff for your new springs/shocks (the mates rates kit)
MR automotive for NIRTS parts and Roverlord via the forum for routine/service parts
Daves interesting things (Incisor) for your workshop manual/Rave CD
and AULRO for short notice help and general comraderie
Various forum users taglines for chuckles and inspiration
And P38Rover if you need to spell something.

cheers mate - I got a fair chunk of that list already - got my rave and subscription here... tried to get a well tempered today from daves shop but they're no longer in production (anyone wanna sell me theirs?) Im a regular user of MR auto - they just converted me to oiled bearings a fortnight ago - got their trackrod/flanges/draglink/aframe at the same time...
ive got some random dual battery setup that i might toss so i'll check the traxide out and I don't tow anything so the brake controller is a bust for me..

I spell alright when i'm not in a hurry... well not to bad for a big guy with sasauge fingers anyways.

I use the forum as often as I use my credit card so all good there too. I've literally rebuilt this truck from the ground up all with nothing more than curiosity and the help of the guys on the forum. I just ripped the whole interior and dash to insulate it all today and sort out the ECU and battery compartments... it's nearly the last thing on my list of "to do's" diffs next then Jose's turbo and I'm done... till something breaks anyways..

It'll be nice to be on the forum as a spectator for a change instead of a victim :p

[stealth]

Hey guys, so I'm stripping the interior and cleaning up the truck in my time off, insulating it and all that. So im under the drivers seat and im finally going to untangle the mess that was there when I bought it, reline it, insulate etc etc.. I had a dual battery setup on the other side that was shot and also it was setup with trailer brake etc..

so what is this thing? I though it was just a trailer brake setup, as by the way it was just hacked into the ECU, i did a search on the part number SAAB FRCRTD5 and it comes up with a lot of pages in foreign languages but not a whole lot else, i've narrowed it down ( i think) to either an aftermarket ABS controller, a diesel performance setup - dimsport in Europe do this with this part number, or it's some sort of trailer brake attachment.

Any ideas guys.... FYI ive had a persistent surging problem for a loooong time now. Ive literally chased everything, wastegates, turbo hoses, thermostats, handbrakes, alternators - just redid the fuel pump and harmonic balancer too as they needed doing... I'm wondering if my NNN ECU upgrade from Jose is having conflict with what could be some sort of diesel tuning setup maybe? it has a little control box with a simple on/off switch and a blue light that comes on.. The car was sluggish as hell when i got it... joses map and allisports intercooler helped that out, but i have joses turbo coming soon and want to sort this out..

ANY IDEAS???:confused:

thanks again guys.

jesse



Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator???

[blackapache]

I've seen something like that before, it seems to have escaped me now...
But I think it could be a clip on tuning box?
Paging Tombie...

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Cheers Muppet, I was thinking the same thing too - all the listings I found online and also after further investigation seem to say its a diesel tuning setup in the UK.. be nice if Tombie or one of the other Sages could ID it though..

The funny thing is everywhere I saw it listed was on pages for the "bespoke" defender builders asking ridiculous money for cars we build ourselves ... you know the ones.. strap on a fancy nose cone and grill, some low profile wheels that are useless and some seriously dark tinting and ask 80,000 pounds for it.. :angel:

anyways it needs to come out.. my whole dash was dismantled today to seal up some bulkhead leaks etc.. the wiring behind the stereo was a MESS! everything is tagged and numbered so whats another clump of wires...

I must say it was fun using the guernsy on the inside of a car though.... never done that before... not in the front anyways!

[blackapache]

The little black box is definitely the Internet.

so thats that interweb thingy I keep hearing so much about...

[BathurstTom]

The little black box is definitely the Internet.


So it's the scotch clips coming loose that breaks the internet! Well that's solved one more problem :)

Tom.

[Disco Muppet]

It's HAL 9000.
Get rid of it before he seals the pod bay doors.

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[dswatts]

It's HAL 9000.
Get rid of it before he seals the pod bay doors.

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Sorry Dave

[Mick_Marsh]

I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I commit an offence, or get it completely wrong and it makes no sense. The wires it is attached to look to be the injector wires, yellow with a coloured trace. This may explain the performance issues if it is feeding power in. If you remove it check the wires carefully as some of the strands will have been cut by the connectors.
Welcome to the forum, Colin.
You don't drive a maroon Defender Extreme, do you?

[Blknight.aus]

Cheers Muppet, I was thinking the same thing too - all the listings I found online and also after further investigation seem to say its a diesel tuning setup in the UK.. be nice if Tombie or one of the other Sages could ID it though..



Its the td5 version of a generic lie box that sits between the ECU, the injectors and the engine sensors (the google translate of the manual was significantly spanglish so I suspect its a translation of a translation) that makes everything tell lies to each other.

Dont get me wrong with the next bit I'm all for proper remap work but anything that increases the number of connections in the system or bodges the information going from one component to another is bad. Maybe it was ok back in the 90's when fuel injection was simple and the duration was the only factor the system could control but now with multi stage, pre and post injection not so much.

given the quality of the installation of yours its almost a miracle that it was running at all.

[blackapache]

Its the td5 version of a generic lie box that sits between the ECU, the injectors and the engine sensors (the google translate of the manual was significantly spanglish so I suspect its a translation of a translation) that makes everything tell lies to each other.

Dont get me wrong with the next bit I'm all for proper remap work but anything that increases the number of connections in the system or bodges the information going from one component to another is bad. Maybe it was ok back in the 90's when fuel injection was simple and the duration was the only factor the system could control but now with multi stage, pre and post injection not so much.

given the quality of the installation of yours its almost a miracle that it was running at all.

Yeah so I ripped the whole interior and Sanden AC unit out today... that's a whole other story... and I found a car alarm setup behind the dasy with ECU - An ABS controller thats not hooked up and a bunch of random wiring... I have some work to do to say the least... anyhow whilst doing so i found a DIMSPORT RAPID TD5 sticker from the box face.. checked it out and your on the money dave. They still sell this thing too! and get this they go for $375 Pounds! who's dropping $750 large on these things?! I got a new NN ECU from Jose and a lifetime of maps for a bit over $900.. it's a no -brainer!

Anyhow it's coming out and ECU will be re-terminated correctly... I'm wondering if this might be the reason for the strange little surging issue I've had all this time.. also my indicators flash with the trailer lamp all the time and some other little quirky things too...I will report back.

Now anyone want to make me an offer on this exquisite european paperweight?

Will swap for anything of interest? a used band aid even? Maybe i might chuck it on eBay and see if its worth anything? maybe i can get something for all my troubles.

cheers guys once again the forum prevails against insanity. Hurrah!:D

[Homestar]

Stick it on eBay with a link to the company so punters can see what they are worth new - some wood duck will give you some money for it.

[Disco Muppet]

Indicators with the trailer lamp means you need LED bulbs in your bullbar indicators.

[blackapache]

Indicators with the trailer lamp means you need LED bulbs in your bullbar indicators.

oh ok cool its a landrover bullbar just the black tube style but a full bar not some ****y nudge bar or whatever.

I thought if i stuck LED globes in the front it'd make the flash times go crazy and I'd need to add a flasher unit?

[Blknight.aus]

Nope its been the same since day dot add an extra lamp and the trailer light blinks. It blinks once on the initial turn signal activation as a lamp check function...

Most likely the surge will be map/maf earth/stray impedence related.

But with shodylock connectors on the ecu.... it could be tuning the static capacitance variations with the density variations caused by driver flatulance and local humitidy variatioms of bo/sweat levels

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[DJ4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

:cool:

[blackapache]

ALRIGHT! Case closed.

So quick update - any search on this forum about surging will find more than one thread on what I have done to chase surging issues. Well it seems that awesome piece of "kit" from DMSPORTS that was hacked into my ECU was causing the woes. The shoddy lock connectors had some oil fouled in them too, once I removed the whole debacle reterminated and heat shrunk all appropriate wiring I took it for a drive.

Lets just say it hauls ass now. No surging whatsoever. No kangaroo hopping. Nothing. Pulls hard as train - it should its got a stage 3 map, bigger cooler, straight through exhaust, de-EGR, and a bunch of other things. No hesitating under full throttle, throttle response is better, Im really happy.

As always the forum prevails!

Now, time to have a look at that backlash.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

The oil will be coming from your injector harness to your ecu........
You will find more oil if you unplug the ecu........


Only on a Land Rover will you find an oil leak at the ecu........

[blackapache]

The oil will be coming from your injector harness to your ecu........
You will find more oil if you unplug the ecu........


Only on a Land Rover will you find an oil leak at the ecu........

Cheers Zook, I've already been familiar with that one, changed out the harness about 6 months ago - had gotten rid of all the residue too, nothing at the plug at both ends - pulled out the rubber grommets everything. It was just that tiny little bit hiding in the shoddy loc connector points.

Alls well that ends well.