Toyota drivers dont expect new Defenders power..

[cafe latte]

I am normally a very sedate driver and I dont let idiots annoy me, but the road was wide and safe and hopefully the idiot learned something.. A Tojo Cruiser maybe around a 2000 model pulled out in front of me rudely causing me to break hard. It is not that he didnt see me he did, actually he looked right at me, he was just a rude idiot. I did nothing knowing the hill ahead I just stayed with him, close but not too close, just enough that he knew I was there. The 80km/h zone finished and then the 100 zone started, he has been doing 70 to annoy me and then as soon as the 100 zone started he sped off, but I stayed with him. The hill started, but I was still there, I could see him looking in the mirror looking confused, he has a last ditch effort he went to 120km/h but the Defender was still there, now you could really see his annoyance. I passed him and he realized he had massively underestimated the Defender and he dropped back to below 100km/h. I went back to 100 and continued on home. I think a lot of people especially those driving older Cruisers think all Defenders are old slow heaps of junk. This guy had a big surprise, not sure what the conversation was with his mates in the car after a chugging Defender passed him :D..
Chris

[MrLandy]

Yup, happens all the time Chris. 😎 What I don't understand is this constant pseudo-top-dog-silverback-alpha male, but ultimately childish, attitude that somehow if ones car is faster or has bigger tyres it makes one superior?

When is everyone going to grow up?

[Gerokent]

Taking off from the lights is a different story though. I still get a lot of people nearly rear ending me before I grab second gear and accelerate away

[strangy]

Yup, happens all the time Chris. dde0e What I don't understand is this constant pseudo-top-dog-silverback-alpha male, but ultimately childish, attitude that somehow if ones car is faster or has bigger tyres it makes one superior? When is everyone going to grow up?

Funny really.
I ride a big road bike. The amount of knob jockeys that drive obnoxiously around me trying to prove their manliness is astounding.
The worst consistently are the typical blinged 4wds.
Not sure either what the point of the behavior is.

[Andrew86]

Defender drivers have nothing to prove. Leave the ****ing contests to the peasants and sit proud atop your noble steed ;)

[cafe latte]

Defender drivers have nothing to prove. Leave the ****ing contests to the peasants and sit proud atop your noble steed ;)

Normally on the road I am very hard to annoy, I have my own business so I am rarely in a hurry or late as I can hardly give myself a ticking off for bad timekeeping :)
This guy however really ticked me off probably as he eyeballed me then pulled slowly out in front of me. Either to annoy or just he did not give a bleep about anyone else on the road.
Then he trundles along at 70km/h slowing down and speeding up (when I sat calmly behing him), then finally he floored it just as I prepare to pass at the 100km/h zone, he was a total and complete nob. Hopefully he learned something about Defenders :D

Chris

[steane]

If you were driving a 300TDi Chris you could have pulled in front (yes it will do it), let the boost drop off before giving it some and covered the fool in an old-school smoke screen :cool:

No-one puts TDi in a corner. I mean no-one tailgates a TDi for very long ;)

[DiscoMick]

Yeah there are some dumb jerks around.

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[PAT303]

I had a camry driver,sorry cam-ray,why they pronounce it that way I don't know try very hard to overtake me in a 100 zone while I was doing 100 and then do the old slow down to 90 trick,when I started tailgating her which I couldn't help as her speed was 80 and then 100 and then 90 she had her arms out the window waving doing a Mr Bean impersonation.I look at it positively,the weirdo's make a dull drive interesting. Pat

[cafe latte]

If you were driving a 300TDi Chris you could have pulled in front (yes it will do it), let the boost drop off before giving it some and covered the fool in an old-school smoke screen :cool:

No-one puts TDi in a corner. I mean no-one tailgates a TDi for very long ;)

:D:D And with my number plate it would look intentional, secret smoke screen button :cool:
Chris

[cafe latte]

I had a camry driver,sorry cam-ray,why they pronounce it that way I don't know try very hard to overtake me in a 100 zone while I was doing 100 and then do the old slow down to 90 trick,when I started tailgating her which I couldn't help as her speed was 80 and then 100 and then 90 she had her arms out the window waving doing a Mr Bean impersonation.I look at it positively,the weirdo's make a dull drive interesting. Pat

Soo annoying when they do that.
Speaking of weirdo's someone today says Defender when I got out, then he said NEW!! Yes I said, then he said Its a Defender! Yes I said. Then he said New!!, Err yes I said, Then Defender!! Err Yes, starting to think this is going to go on all day, so I said yes New Defender and retreated into the car to escape the strange person.
Chris

[tact]

Soo annoying when they do that.
Speaking of weirdo's someone today says Defender when I got out, then he said NEW!! Yes I said, then he said Its a Defender! Yes I said. Then he said New!!, Err yes I said, Then Defender!! Err Yes, starting to think this is going to go on all day, so I said yes New Defender and retreated into the car to escape the strange person.
Chris

Prolly a TDi owner. :angel:

[RVR110]

Soo annoying when they do that.
Speaking of weirdo's someone today says Defender when I got out, then he said NEW!! Yes I said, then he said Its a Defender! Yes I said. Then he said New!!, Err yes I said, Then Defender!! Err Yes, starting to think this is going to go on all day, so I said yes New Defender and retreated into the car to escape the strange person.
ChrisWithin a fortnight of leaving the show room with by brand new Defender (this was back in 2011) I pulled into the garage to fuel up. When I went to pay the guy behind the counter said "I love those old land rovers - looks like you've done a great job restoring it". I handed him my fuel card. He swiped the card and said "what is the ODO reading?" to which I replied with a smile "730km"

[tact]

Driving home to Kuala Lumpur after some business meetings in Singapore I was doing the 110kmh speed limit on the highway.

Police escorts were forcing road users to the left lane ahead of the Johor state crown prince's convoy of his favourite exotic vehicles. (He was apparently heading interstate to watch the Johor state football team play)

Amongst the police escorts, minders and such were lots of nice exoticars including a G64 AMG 6x6.

I pulled in after the last police bike and hitched a ride on their draft. A Merc SUV followed behind me...

Stopping for fuel about 45min later the SUV stopped on the other side of the pump. Driver casually says "Didn't know those Defenders were capable of 170+ "
(Wasn't more than 160 I swear - speed limited at that)

[komaterpillar]

Mines speed limited to 145kph

[AndyG]

Cafe, another compelling reason for the 170 BAS tune, to confuse Toyota bogans:twisted:

[cafe latte]

Cafe, another compelling reason for the 170 BAS tune, to confuse Toyota bogans:twisted:

It will happen after warranty :D
Chris

[Homestar]

Had a Pootrol park next to me at Bunning a while back - I was in the 101. His was jacked up running 35's. To his credit, he parked next to me deliberately to shoot the breeze about the 101 and he was a nice chap, but when he said 'you're running 35's too' my reply was 'yep, but mine came as standard fittment' ;)

We had a laugh and moved on.

[steane]

Prolly a TDi owner. :angel:

Nah, we wouldn't say "New" we'd say "Ford?" ;)

[tact]

Mines speed limited to 145kph

That, and other things like EGR functionality along with one of the causes of a clunky driving experience - magically melts away when you load a custom tune into the ECU of a TDCi.

[tact]

Nah, we wouldn't say "New" we'd say "Ford?" ;)

You knew I was fishing for you... ;)

[copba]

I get this sort of thing all the time, invariably by Jap 4WD's driven by Bogans! :mad: It's like a game for them, have to pass the crappy old Landrover....
I drive a chipped TD5, so not as fast as a new Puma, and not as fast as the new Jap common rail diesels, but it goes and handles pretty bloody well for what it is ;)

[Col 110]

I get this sort of thing all the time, invariably by Jap 4WD's driven by Bogans! :mad: It's like a game for them, have to pass the crappy old Landrover....
I drive a chipped TD5, so not as fast as a new Puma, and not as fast as the new Jap common rail diesels, but it goes and handles pretty bloody well for what it is ;)

There must be a rule out there (for other 4WD manufactures) that says you must hold back a Defender - especially when there is a over taking lane ahead --> they seem to hold back before speeding up!

I have owned my lovely PUMA 2.2l for a short while - and have been held back a lot crossing the hills out here!

I have also annoyed a few other 4WD brands when have I snuck around them on the over taking lanes - just a matter of timing and the right gear. The 2.2l is getting stonger as the miles get put on it - so I suspect it will respond better over time (only 4k on the speedo).

When I get the BAS retune it will no longer be a matter of luck :D

All good fun!
Col.

[Pickles2]

Haven't had any real issues with other 4WDs holding us up, but plenty of the usual car drivers who sit in the RH lane & won't move over, those that sit 5-7ks under the speed limit, and won't move over etc etc.
The really "funny" ones, well not really funny, are the situations where you see one of these "Volvo Drivers" sitting on a freeway doing about 95ks, and refusing to move over for a semi who would be maybe 6-7 meters behind with the grille of the truck FILLING the car's interior RV mirror, but no, they just sit there,...must be so annoying for the truck driver.
I'm pretty happy with the Puma 2.2, a bit slow taking off from the lights as a prior poster has said, but the only time that there was a bit of an issue was when we went to Broken Hill, & we needed to pass B Doubles from time to time,......that did require a bit of "planning"!
Pickles.

[cafe latte]

Haven't had any real issues with other 4WDs holding us up, but plenty of the usual car drivers who sit in the RH lane & won't move over, those that sit 5-7ks under the speed limit, and won't move over etc etc.
The really "funny" ones, well not really funny, are the situations where you see one of these "Volvo Drivers" sitting on a freeway doing about 95ks, and refusing to move over for a semi who would be maybe 6-7 meters behind with the grille of the truck FILLING the car's interior RV mirror, but no, they just sit there,...must be so annoying for the truck driver.
I'm pretty happy with the Puma 2.2, a bit slow taking off from the lights as a prior poster has said, but the only time that there was a bit of an issue was when we went to Broken Hill, & we needed to pass B Doubles from time to time,......that did require a bit of "planning"!
Pickles.

I went down to Cairns in my car with passengers and my friend with his going to an event. I couldnt believe his driving, he hung out in the outside lane for kms and kms. We pulled over as soon as we could and he just stayed there even when people flashed him to move. When we arrived I asked him what he was doing and did he realize that he was annoying a lot of other drivers, he didnt care, he said his next turn was right and he was getting ready, I siad did he really need to 'get ready' 5km before the turn!!
Chris

[DiscoMick]

Mine has a Steinbauer chip so, while it's no rocketship, it does get along well once you get it moving. The highway gearing is good too. It's fun to watch Toyota bogans assuming they will leave me for dead and then realizing it isn't happening.

[MrLandy]

Toyota CUBS certainly are the worst culprits.

[noyakfat]

no-one tailgates a TDi for very long ;)

Not without thermal vision and breathing apparatus :D

[Didge]

Yup, happens all the time Chris. 😎 What I don't understand is this constant pseudo-top-dog-silverback-alpha male, but ultimately childish, attitude that somehow if ones car is faster or has bigger tyres it makes one superior?

When is everyone going to grow up?

I think that attitude is prevalent in all sort of interests and sports. If someone is better at their chosen sport than you, merely because they spend more time at it, they carry on like they're a superior person. I surf and I see it all the time but hey, have a look at snow skiers - snobsville on sterioids!

[rick130]

Mines speed limited to 145kph


Ditto.

Down hill, with a tail wind. :D

Actually haven't given it a big 'run' since the engine and new head went on, it might crack 147km/h now !

[EastFreo]

Reminds me of how much enjoyment I used to have in my uni days (and early working days) when I would be driving back to Perth from helping my parents on the farm in my 1972 Rover P6. It was a camel/sand almost Land Rover colour that no one loved which made it cheap for me but that baby used to surprise all the boguns in their V8s when I would power past them. Admittedly not that cheap to run going to uni in Perth but I have to say I wish my new tdci had that rover V8. I reckon that is one of the best sounding engines ever.

[1nando]

I am normally a very sedate driver and I dont let idiots annoy me, but the road was wide and safe and hopefully the idiot learned something.. A Tojo Cruiser maybe around a 2000 model pulled out in front of me rudely causing me to break hard. It is not that he didnt see me he did, actually he looked right at me, he was just a rude idiot. I did nothing knowing the hill ahead I just stayed with him, close but not too close, just enough that he knew I was there. The 80km/h zone finished and then the 100 zone started, he has been doing 70 to annoy me and then as soon as the 100 zone started he sped off, but I stayed with him. The hill started, but I was still there, I could see him looking in the mirror looking confused, he has a last ditch effort he went to 120km/h but the Defender was still there, now you could really see his annoyance. I passed him and he realized he had massively underestimated the Defender and he dropped back to below 100km/h. I went back to 100 and continued on home. I think a lot of people especially those driving older Cruisers think all Defenders are old slow heaps of junk. This guy had a big surprise, not sure what the conversation was with his mates in the car after a chugging Defender passed him :D..
Chris

Ive had a similar thing happen to me with a bloke in a 76 series. We were coming back from Melbourne and this bloke was extremely inconsistent on the throttle so i decided to over take him. There was a long slight incline hill and i just punched it and before you know it i had passed him, probably doing around 126km per hour. The idiot then decided he'd try to overtake me, but he had another thing coming! I punched the accelorater and got upto 145km per hour. He could not pass me, the look on his face.
You see ive got a decat and modded exhaust, intercooler and remap and speed limiter increase. Thing should have around 150-170hp and around 450-470nm. Add to this thr ligter weight in the defender and "see you later buddy":p

[noyakfat]

Sorry guys but this kind of thing is total stupidity in my opinion. It's just what we need. Two heavy forbies belting along a public road in close proximity each doing close to 145 km/hr.

Please think with the head that contains your brain, and resist the urge to engage in this type of behaviour. It really is dangerous and illegal and should be avoided.

I guess you guys are the same ones who think speeding fines are just revenue raising.

[ramblingboy42]

uh-oh......

[cafe latte]

Sorry guys but this kind of thing is total stupidity in my opinion. It's just what we need. Two heavy forbies belting along a public road in close proximity each doing close to 145 km/hr.

Please think with the head that contains your brain, and resist the urge to engage in this type of behaviour. It really is dangerous and illegal and should be avoided.

I guess you guys are the same ones who think speeding fines are just revenue raising.
It is only in Aus that 145 is considered fast, it is only 85 miles an hour, in the UK you need to be doing that to keep up with the flow of traffic, in Italy you would be in the slow lane, in Germany you would be a snail pace (the motorways are rough as guts, but my last visit I was doing 125 MILES an hour on them which is 200kmh). As a fire fighter I attend road crashes, most are due to people swerving for animals, drink driving (not the limit, many times over) and loosing control on dirt roads often due to leaving electronic stability control switched on. Speeding is not even in the top 10 reasons for crashes, actually cars not road worthy dont make the top 10 either.
Speeding though is easy to make revenue from much harder to make revenue from skippy leaping in front of a car a dawn.. So yes I do think speeding is revenue raising, but I go and pick up the pieces after road crashes, so I know speed is not the problem..
Chris

[Is Vic There]

Don't get me started on revenue raising!

[cafe latte]

Don't get me started on revenue raising!

We were discussing with the Captain one evening after training about reasons for crashes, I asked if in his 25 years he had seen many crashes due to bald tyres or other roadworthy issues, he said no actually he thought non at all..
Chris

[cafe latte]

I actually speed on the way to the fire station if I am attending a road crash, I am not supposed to, I can only take advantage of the special dispensations of the road rules when I am in the fire truck. Saying that myself and other fire fighters know the Police will have had the same call we had and will not be checking for speeders, we also know arriving 2 minutes earlier may save a life. 130km/h or more is not fast on deserted roads especially if you are driving defensively.
Chris

[cafe latte]

Reminds me of how much enjoyment I used to have in my uni days (and early working days) when I would be driving back to Perth from helping my parents on the farm in my 1972 Rover P6. It was a camel/sand almost Land Rover colour that no one loved which made it cheap for me but that baby used to surprise all the boguns in their V8s when I would power past them. Admittedly not that cheap to run going to uni in Perth but I have to say I wish my new tdci had that rover V8. I reckon that is one of the best sounding engines ever.

I had one at Uni too in the UK!!!
I had 120 (miles an hour out of mine, but mine had been err breathed on a bit :D) I did not go that fast in it often though as you could actually see the fuel gauge going down at that speed!!! :eek: Very stable though at speed due to the De dion suspension, but changing the rear pads is a pain in the butt or you cut holes in the floor and fit removable plates, dont ask me how I know :)
Here is a De dion for anyone who does not know https://www.google.com.au/search?q=de+dion+suspension+rover+p6&client=ubuntu&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=941&tbm=isch&imgil=MZBoMILolZxP1M%253A%253BQ57Ic0RfV7WZBM%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fperformanceforums.com%2525 2Fforums%25252Fshowthread.php%25253F67291939-Re-engineering-rear-suspension-ie-Rover-P6-DeDion-is-rubbish-to-work-on&source=iu&pf=m&fir=MZBoMILolZxP1M%253A%252CQ57Ic0RfV7WZBM%252C_&usg=__VfAbfCczNe6F-wZViaRNLMC0Ad4%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjxx9ai3uHKAhWEnJQKHTdgCeMQyjcIKw&ei=zCq1VvGxOYS50gS3wKWYDg#imgrc=MZBoMILolZxP1M%3A&usg=__VfAbfCczNe6F-wZViaRNLMC0Ad4%3D
Chris

[1nando]

Sorry guys but this kind of thing is total stupidity in my opinion. It's just what we need. Two heavy forbies belting along a public road in close proximity each doing close to 145 km/hr.

Please think with the head that contains your brain, and resist the urge to engage in this type of behaviour. It really is dangerous and illegal and should be avoided.

I guess you guys are the same ones who think speeding fines are just revenue raising.

Mate i agree with most of what you are saying. However in saying that its not something i practice all the time, in fact im a professional driver and im as safe as they come. I drive everything from truck and dogs, crane/hiab bogeys, tippers and also ride a 1000cc super bike. If i decide on one occasion and under satisfactory conditions to have a squirt and i am confident in that there is no risk and potential harm to anyone then why not have a bit of fun?
Im aware of my surroundings, its the people that drive on "auto pilot" that are the most likely to have an accident. Speeding in itself requires attention and a level of concentration that many people neglet when doing the limit with the cruise control on. All the near misses i have had in a heavy vehicle have mainly come from people who are unaware of their surroundings: like a b double right next to them before they decide to merge lane.
Again i understand your reasoning, I know it is ilegal to speed but at that monent and at that time i had a bit of fun under circumstances that i beleived to be safe. Drove home the next 6 hours doing the limit :)

[Eevo]

doing 145 is stupidity?
more like only 3rd gear

[cafe latte]

There are a lot of idiots on the road, what am I saying not just on the road.. Speed is not the problem, but speed is easy to check and it brings in a lot of fines which powers that be love. Truth is most that speed are doing 85 instead of 80 or maybe 108 in a 100 zone, probably on a down hill stretch and the police love these areas for speed traps. Not road safety just quotas and not good at all.
Chris

[tact]

[...], I know it is ilegal to speed but at that monent and at that time i had a bit of fun under circumstances that i beleived to be safe. Drove home the next 6 hours doing the limit :)

You're ok, mate. G'donya.

[squizzyhunter]

There are good blokes and idiots in every type of car, had a disco do the slow down to 70 after the overtaking lanes on the pacific hwy. But yes there are more tossers in patrols and toyos as a lot of the early 18- early 20s guys love them. And at that age we were all tossers trying to prove ourselves using various mediums (football, textbooks,10" lift etc ) to a greater or lesser extent.

Though I do agree with lynching perpetual right lane drivers of all ages and car makes

[noyakfat]

Yes, sure there are those among us who are professional drivers, or highly trained, or at least trained to some degree.

My point is, most drivers on Australian public roads are not well trained and cannot safely handle a vehicle at high speed, let alone a Defender which is not designed for high speed. Many can't even display the ability to drive in a reasonably safe manner on a daily basis, yet they still attain a licence.

Speed may not be the single causal factor in many collisions, but the point is that the excessive speed contributes to worse collision results. Try stopping your Defender to avoid hitting a roo (or anything else) at 145km/hr and you will be in for a shock. Any collision at high speed is bad news.

I understand the OP point about returning to legal speed after the incident, but it only takes one **** up at high speed and it can be all over. It's not worth it.

[MR LR]

I guess you guys are the same ones who think speeding fines are just revenue raising.

No, speeding fines are just paying to play. :D :wasntme:

And revenue raising...

[tact]

No, speeding fines are just paying to play. :D :wasntme:

And revenue raising...

Abuser pays? ;)

[MR LR]

Abuser pays? ;)
Pretty much...

If you are breaking the law, you are paying good attention to your surroundings, therefore you are safer on the road because you know what the hell is happening. That's my theory anyway.

Plus, having driven and raced what I have... I know how to crash ;) so I know what to avoid :p (never had an on-road accident where I've been at fault).

AND it only costs $260 once every 5 years IME...

My D2 is red, so it goes faster :p

[Homestar]

We were discussing with the Captain one evening after training about reasons for crashes, I asked if in his 25 years he had seen many crashes due to bald tyres or other roadworthy issues, he said no actually he thought non at all..
Chris

That's the reason VicRoads won't go to an annual RWC scheme. Their own data shows that less than 1/2 of 1% of accidents have any cause due to the vehcile actually being unroadworthy.

'There's nought so dumb as folk' as they say - people cause accidents, not vehicles.

[1nando]

Yes, sure there are those among us who are professional drivers, or highly trained, or at least trained to some degree.

My point is, most drivers on Australian public roads are not well trained and cannot safely handle a vehicle at high speed, let alone a Defender which is not designed for high speed. Many can't even display the ability to drive in a reasonably safe manner on a daily basis, yet they still attain a licence.

Speed may not be the single causal factor in many collisions, but the point is that the excessive speed contributes to worse collision results. Try stopping your Defender to avoid hitting a roo (or anything else) at 145km/hr and you will be in for a shock. Any collision at high speed is bad news.

I understand the OP point about returning to legal speed after the incident, but it only takes one **** up at high speed and it can be all over. It's not worth it.

The boys at work and i always say:

"everyone can get a license but not everyone can drive!"

So simple but so true. Also for the record I've got a perfect recorded in 17 years I've only had 1 speeding fine (15 and under) and one "not at fault" accident (lady ran into me, i would have avoided that too as i saw it coming had it not been for the car stopped in front of me.

I've done most of my speeding at eastern creek track days;)

[PAT303]

My biggest ever fine was when I was overtaking a road train up north,dead straight piece of road and I did 120 in a 90 zone.The copper said I was going too fast but to me sitting in the right hand lane while overtaking a 50+meter long truck for the shortest amount of time seems safer.Stupid thing was he had to wait for me to get to him so he could fine me,thats not being safe in my books. Pat

[Eevo]

My biggest ever fine was when I was overtaking a road train up north,dead straight piece of road and I did 120 in a 90 zone.The copper said I was going too fast but to me sitting in the right hand lane while overtaking a 50+meter long truck for the shortest amount of time seems safer.Stupid thing was he had to wait for me to get to him so he could fine me,thats not being safe in my books. Pat

its a stupid world we live in

[noyakfat]

My biggest ever fine was when I was overtaking a road train up north,dead straight piece of road and I did 120 in a 90 zone.The copper said I was going too fast but to me sitting in the right hand lane while overtaking a 50+meter long truck for the shortest amount of time seems safer.Stupid thing was he had to wait for me to get to him so he could fine me,thats not being safe in my books. Pat

Yep, I agree that is crap.

[The ho har's]

I have the problem of people trying to run into me while I am doing a U-turn.

You know how hard it is to get a 130 around the island and the sedans think I am turning into the street so turn then suddenly realise I am actually going where they are going :D

Mrs hh:angel:

[Aaron IIA]

Did this sedan turn left from the side street that you performed a u-turn in front of?

Aaron

[The ho har's]

Did this sedan turn left from the side street that you performed a u-turn in front of?

Aaron

No doing a U-turn behind me. This particular corner is very popular for U-turns as when you come out of a carpark you have the island so you can't turn right.

Mrs hh:angel: