New axels with HD flanges?

[barkingmad]

Hi All,
Trying to get some Ashcroft HD flanges fitted to my MY15 Defender. The fronts have gone on OK, but the end flange looks like it is part of the axel on the rears and the whole lot needs to be replaced with a floating type axel. Does this sound right? The upgrade has been recommended on here a lot, but no mention of an axel change.

Thanks..

[alien]

I stand to be corrected.
My understanding is the 110 has rear flanges while the 90 does not(all in one setup).

[Aguy]

My 90 has 4 flanges. I changed mine last weekend with HD ones.

[jackdef90]

my 2010 2.4 90 has flanges and half shafts in rear, have changed rear axels to hytuff hd versions with hytuff hd flanges all round.
The improvement was really good no driveline slack now its tight as.
If the rear is one piece on yours then there wouldnt be much point changing it, but I dont think LR would have changed something like that.

[DazzaTD5]

Pre TDCi (puma) Defender 90 models had the axle & drive flange as one (the same as a Discovery 1 rear).

Later TDCi Defender 90 models have the same separate axle/drive flange set up as a 110/130

Regardless of the set up, both are still fully floating axles, as in the axle does not bare the load of the vehicle.

Regards
Daz

P.S if you do a search here, you will find I also recommend changing the rear axles on the TDCi (puma) Defender models when you do the drive flanges as the hardness of the axle itself is very low on the Rockwell hardness scale when compared to axles of old.

[Dopey]

Pre TDCi (puma) Defender 90 models had the axle & drive flange as one (the same as a Discovery 1 rear).

Later TDCi Defender 90 models have the same separate axle/drive flange set up as a 110/130

Regardless of the set up, both are still fully floating axles, as in the axle does not bare the load of the vehicle.

Regards
Daz

P.S if you do a search here, you will find I also recommend changing the rear axles on the TDCi (puma) Defender models when you do the drive flanges as the hardness of the axle itself is very low on the Rockwell hardness scale when compared to axles of old.

G'day Dazza,
As far as I am aware all 300Tdi' 90' came with the seperate drive flanges..
I think also that very late 200Tdi 90's also came with the seperate flanges,
But definitely (as far as I am aware) with the introduction of the MA chassis (300Tdi) the flanges were the seperate ones.

[Beery]

Is this the "one piece" axle in question?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Dopey]

G day Beery,
Your picture is I think of a 24 spline (short side?) one peice axle, it is a thin flange version.
The axles also came in thicker flange versions.
In the pic attached is the thicker flange axle version, (these ones 10 spline).
Mike.

[DazzaTD5]

G'day Dazza,
As far as I am aware all 300Tdi' 90' came with the seperate drive flanges..
I think also that very late 200Tdi 90's also came with the seperate flanges,
But definitely (as far as I am aware) with the introduction of the MA chassis (300Tdi) the flanges were the seperate ones.

*I could well stand corrected.
*I'm sure the odd 90 TD5 I've had in was one piece drive flange/axle on rear.
*I've not actually ever had in a 200/300tdi 90.
*The numerous manuals both on disk and book show both but with little to no reference as to application.
*Lots of pics online of 90 (but County models) with seperate drive flange/axle on rear.
*Lots of other pics online of 90 models with either.
*I suppose all the 90 owners on AULRO could go have a look at tell us what they have and what model it is...

*Honestly.... who know

Regards
Daz

[DazzaTD5]

Is this the "one piece" axle in question?

https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/10632669_10154478230029688_778780933588676811_n.jp g?oh=f7b7ec49bdb9dba0f1362f67f06365ca&oe=576CDD71

Yes that is a pic of the one piece drive flange/axle.

*Both the one piece AND the seperate drive flange/axle set-up came in a thin or thick flange.

Regards
Daz

[barkingmad]

Thanks for the responses. Yes it's a set of axels I need to do the rear. I'll put them on the "to do" list for down the track and take the advice and do the fronts as well.

[DazzaTD5]

Hi All,
Trying to get some Ashcroft HD flanges fitted to my MY15 Defender. The fronts have gone on OK, but the end flange looks like it is part of the axel on the rears and the whole lot needs to be replaced with a floating type axel. Does this sound right? The upgrade has been recommended on here a lot, but no mention of an axel change.

Thanks..

I've just realised the OP has said his Defender 2015 ??? and he doesnt actually mention it being a 90, where did that come from?

Every 90 Defender TDCi (puma) I've seen has the "normal" seperate drive flange and axle.

Owners need to get out their smart phones and take a pic when posting a question, its so easy and even Defender owners have moved away from the stone tablet and have phones :twisted:

Regards
Daz

[Beery]

There's an interesting thread over on Defender2 about the last of the Defenders coming out with one piece rear axles.

DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - Drive Flanges (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43543.html)

They make sense to me, they just remove a known issue. As long as the axle tube is straight though.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/387.jpg

[DazzaTD5]

As Beery has pointed out and on looking at the high res pics of the "last' softtop heritage 90 on the production line, it clearly shows one piece rear drive flange/axles.

So no rocket science, I'm sure the axles are still made of cheese and will need doing, although I'm guessing not too many heritage editions are going to see much offroad.

and just to clarify for the ones that might ponder this...
Regardless if its one piece or separate, both are still "fully floating axles" as they do not bare the vehicle weight.

Regards
Daz

[Dopey]

Bare...? An unclothed bum is bare.
Bear... The vehicle weight is not borne by the axle shaft.
The stub axles bear the vehicle weight.

Did I get it right Ron?

Mike.

[MrLandy]

Bare...? An unclothed bum is bare.
Bear... The vehicle weight is not borne by the axle shaft.
The stub axles bear the vehicle weight.

Did I get it right Ron?

Mike.

...unless Dazza means the axle shafts are baring it all in terms of being naked of the weight. 😉

[DazzaTD5]

*rolls eyes*....

Thanks for that, although a better example might have been...

"The owners wallet was "bare" as the mechanic needed to charge a lot more to pay for additional english classes the owner felt he needed."

And I suppose I could have said..
"A full-floating (drive) axle shaft does not carry the vehicle's weight; it serves only to transmit torque from the differential to the wheels. It "floats" inside an assembly that carries the vehicle's weight. Thus the only stress it must endure is torque (not lateral bending force)." (source; wiki, in fear of getting more en-grish wrong)

The "stub axle" is really only the fixed outer housing that supports the vehicle's weight. "fixed outer spindle housing" or "outer axle housing" would be a more accurate term.

"stub axle" (outside of poor descriptive Land Rover manuals) is generally referred to as the outer axle section of a CV assembly, trailer, caravan, or any other non driven axle assembly.

:twisted::twisted:
Regards
Daz

[MrLandy]

*rolls eyes*....

Thanks for that, although a better example might have been...

"The owners wallet was "bare" as the mechanic needed to charge a lot more to pay for additional english classes the owner felt he needed."



😄👍 ...or simply the 'bare' necessity of owning a Land Rover in general. ...I Was going to say 'bare faced' addiction, but that doesn't work for us beardy wierdies.