Joining the permagrin dilemma!

[DI5CO]

Hi all
After years of dreaming, I'm hoping to get into a D4 after 16 years of D 1&2 ownership [emoji2][emoji2]
So I have been speaking to a dealer and they have 2 white TDV6's in stock. Both have:
Leather, 7 seats
Tech pack
Rear air
DAB
meridian sound
Xenon and LED Signature lights

Then 1 has blind spot monitor and powerfold mirrors (build date 10/15), the other has e-diff (build 1/15). Both compliance 1/16.

I have always wanted one with ediff and thought I would get that for towing and off roading. Although I don't do too much serious stuff anyway.
So I was thinking I should maybe go the other with blind spot etc for the safety factor. Price diff is only approx $500.

My other thought was getting the SDV6 and seeing if there were any around without too many options and try for my budget of low 80's. Even if it's a very low km demo model or 2nd hand. (The TD's are low $80's)
So any opinions or thoughts??[emoji2]

[Meken]

Sdv6 is so sweet! Not much blindspot with the big mirrors set correctly. And lots of vision

[LandyAndy]

I would go the E Diff over the folding mirrors /blindspot monitor.
The mirrors are good,blindspots arent really an issue.
Gordon(Green Oval Experience) says we dont need the E-Diff compared to a D3 due to much better electronics in the terrain response and bigger brakes,however it has bigger bearings that will suit for towing.I wanted E-Diff,wasnt available in the dealer stock/LRA deal I bought mine in.
SLAP ON THE GRIN BRO:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Dont be shy of the TDV6 over SDV6.
I too came from D2 to D4.My TD5 D2 was chipped/big intercooler/big exhaust.It doesnt come close to the TDV6;);););) Once out of warranty its easy to match or exceed the SDV6;);););););)
It still has plenty of go towing a 1.5T+ trailer.Recently I had an ex D2 V8 passenger whilst towing my heavy camper trailer,I nailed it to go around a struggling toyomobile towing a camper trailer up a steep hill.His comment was my D2 wouldnt accelerate like that without the trailer:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[DI5CO]

I know, but just the thought of 600nm's, mmmmm[emoji7] lol
I might ring a few dealers and see what they have and pricing. The thought of a TD with options like the DAB etc does excite me haha
I wasn't that interested in the rear air because of the space it takes up but it may be a "nice to have"
I also like the thought of electric seats for comfort and the arm rests. Out of interest, do people that have them, do you use them and are they worthwhile?

[rocket rod]

I don't know where you live but be aware that DAB only works in capital cities. Having said that once you have heard digital radio you'll never go back. I also have the ediff in a TDV6 and I reckon in 5-10 years time it will be a sort after item when it comes time to sell.

[Meken]

Comfy electric seats ;) don't know what the manual seats are like but there is a thread on here about them - search for electric vs manual

[TerryO]

Folding mirrors are no big deal, in fact mine are starting to look and sound a bit tired. Plus as others have said vision out of the mirrors is excellent, no need for the warning system.

An e-diff if available would be my preference, they also come with stronger axles.

Regarding rear air, personally I think it is a must if you ever intend to have all the seats used.

Electric captains chairs are one of the best things you can have in your Disco. They really improve the driving and comfort experience.

My short preferred list of both standard and options in any Disco if I was buying new would be, rear air, captains chairs, upgraded top of line stereo, adaptive bi xenon headlights, centre consol fridge and e diff, these features both our D3 and D4 have.

It's easy though to get carried away and start ticking options lists. The V8 D4 also comes with every option LR offer including not only what's listed above but TV and DVD player, surround camera's, sun roofs, heated seats and screen, folding mirrors, keyless entry and lots of other stuff I can't remember and while nice to have hardly ever get used and personally I wouldn't waste my money on them if buying new.

[jonesy63]

Would it be an option to get the one with e-diff and in a year or two - when there are some at wreckers, retrofit the folding mirrors?

[Nicky]

Would it be an option to get the one with e-diff and in a year or two - when there are some at wreckers, retrofit the folding mirrors?

The e-diff will make it easier to sell. Doubt you can retrofit the folding mirrors but when they fail more money to fix.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Powerfold mirrors are no big deal to retrofit. Well much simpler/cheaper than the E-Diff...

If you find one that ticks all boxes but doesn't have DAB, that's no drama to retrofit either.

TDV6 can be re-flashed with the factory SDV6 tune, also not much of a drama.

[DI5CO]

I was away over the Aust Day weekend in the high country and did some really steep hills, the D2 just on traction control did really well, the 2.7D4 that was with us did it obviously easier (no rear diff) and I'm most likely not to do much harder than what we did then. It's most likely if I did get the diff then it may only get use once a year??!! I wish there was only the one available with those options and the diff lol

[rar110]

I vote for the vehicle with the ediff. I have electric folding mirrors on the RRV. I don't use the folding function.

[BobD]

Gordon teaches us to fold our mirrors in on tight tracks so I occasionally do that when the scratching gets really bad. The main use I have for the electric mirrors is to confirm that I have locked the car!

[Meken]

Gordon teaches us to fold our mirrors in on tight tracks so I occasionally do that when the scratching gets really bad. The main use I have for the electric mirrors is to confirm that I have locked the car!


Same here for knowing car is locked :) I had to fold the mirrors yesterday to drive past a poorly parked truck on a narrow street - if I couldn't fold mirrors I would have been waiting.....

[Smocky]

I was away over the Aust Day weekend in the high country and did some really steep hills, the D2 just on traction control did really well, the 2.7D4 that was with us did it obviously easier (no rear diff) and I'm most likely not to do much harder than what we did then. It's most likely if I did get the diff then it may only get use once a year??!! I wish there was only the one available with those options and the diff lol

Hey Disco,

My brand new D4 SDV6 is about 3 weeks old now, so I have recently been through this. I know exactly how you feel both about the excitement of the D4 and about TDV6 (very good) vs SDV6 (very good + a bit more)

I am more of a tourer that likes to get in to the mountains occasionally and came out of a Pajero that had the factory diff lock option and traction control. In nearly 7 years, I used the diff lock twice. Once for real and once to make sure it works.

These are a few things I learned during my research.

- In Aus, dealers tend to order the TDV6 optioned with xenon lights, tech pack, rear air and leather seats. This makes them close to the SDV6 SE, there are a few differences. I found that I got the SDV6 for only a bit more than a TDV6 so the mirrors etc are basically free.
- E-diff is not a very popular option any more. Car is so good without it. I would have liked one, but after never using it in my previous car, it faded as a "nice to have". Traction control is so good, that in most cases it makes an ediff redundant. (Not arguing the academic, just the practical side)
- Rear air is valuable, don't underestimate it. Much better resale (if that matters) and it DOES cool the car faster. I started a whole thread on it and the guys saying "get it" were right. Make it a must have.
- Leather electric seats I think are a must have. They are better and have lumber support.
- Tech pack (GPS, front sensors, Meridian sound, reversing camera) is basically a must have and you probably won't find a recent D4 without one. If you do, don't buy it !!
- DAB radio, I'm not sure it is worth anything at all. DAB has been a dud in Australia and I tend to stream from my phone when I want selective radio. I do this for the AFL and the cricket as well as music.

Just go find a car and lock it in. I should have bought one years ago, these things are just so nice you don't want to get out of them.

Feel free to PM me any questions if you like.

Good luck and can't wait to see the new grin. :D

[LandyAndy]

The only DIFFrence with the factory E-Diff to others Smocky is you cant choose to use it,its controlled by the terrain response system.
It has stronger axles and bearings so worth choosing if you intend towing.Its the 1 option I wanted,nothing available on the sales campaign when I bought mine unfortunately(dealer stock only)
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

I will also add.I dont have rear air.This is the best aircon I have ever had in any vehicle Ive owned/driven/ridden in.I also have never turned it off;);););),just select the temps.The system runs all the time anyway so one may as well just use it.
Andrew

[DI5CO]

Thanks Smocky, (and everyone else for your comments) I think I have read your post about 5 times lol, and was following it with great interest when you were making your decision!! You looked pretty happy when you picked yours up[emoji2]
I'm thinking I may go the one with the blind spot monitoring as my wife will drive this as well. I do a little towing for work but nothing too serious and it's mainly touring rather than really rough stuff.
I'm speaking with another dealer on the weekend to see what they have and see if I can get an SE for my budget but I'm not holding my breath lol
Since they are pretty much on permanent runout and always seem to have bonuses attached, I may ask and see about ordering one and when it arrives there should hopefully be a bonus on that. I previously sold cars for 10 years so I have a bit of an idea how the factory bonuses work.
Anyway I will go on the weekend and check out the seating and see how comfy the seats are between the 2. I am 6'2 but have a short body and lanky legs so the elect seats for me would be awesome. I find the extra adjustment under the thighs more comfortable but I guess you do get used to them after a while. When I went from D1 to D2, I thought the seats were better in the 1, but now love the D2 seats[emoji15]
Dave.

[Nicky]

I was away over the Aust Day weekend in the high country and did some really steep hills, the D2 just on traction control did really well, the 2.7D4 that was with us did it obviously easier (no rear diff) and I'm most likely not to do much harder than what we did then. It's most likely if I did get the diff then it may only get use once a year??!! I wish there was only the one available with those options and the diff lol

The D4 e-diff operation is automatic and comes in according to the traction situation. The screen has 4x4 display which will show the unlocked/locked status. The driver has no control over selection.

[phl]

- E-diff is not a very popular option any more. Car is so good without it. I would have liked one, but after never using it in my previous car, it faded as a "nice to have". Traction control is so good, that in most cases it makes an ediff redundant. (Not arguing the academic, just the practical side)

- DAB radio, I'm not sure it is worth anything at all. DAB has been a dud in Australia and I tend to stream from my phone when I want selective radio. I do this for the AFL and the cricket as well as music.


I find the e-diff is used by the traction control a lot in my off-road use, and I certainly notice the difference, in that the brakes are used a lot less than without to stop wheel spin. So yes, I'm happy I ordered it with.

As for the DAB radio, I use it all the time. It's so much clearer compared to FM, it's like comparing FM to AM.

[Smocky]

Happy???? I couldn't stand up in public for 3 hours. ;)

There is a great bonus on Feb though so it is a very good time to buy one. Good luck with the hunting. The seats get better the longer you are in them so keep that in mind when you sit in them.

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[Nod]

Just for the record, blind spot monitoring is disabled (as is reversing sensors, etc.) when the D4 recognizes a trailer.

[SBD4]

Dave, if you and your wife share a lot of driving then seriously consider memory seats - unless she is also 6'2". The electric seats have a few more adjustments you can do with them so it can be annoying adjusting back after someone else has been driving. Also gives you auto dipping mirrors in reverse which I like. I don't have it on my new car and really miss it.

[Redback]

Folding mirrors are no big deal, in fact mine are starting to look and sound a bit tired. Plus as others have said vision out of the mirrors is excellent, no need for the warning system.

An e-diff if available would be my preference, they also come with stronger axles.

Regarding rear air, personally I think it is a must if you ever intend to have all the seats used.

Electric captains chairs are one of the best things you can have in your Disco. They really improve the driving and comfort experience.

My short preferred list of both standard and options in any Disco if I was buying new would be, rear air, captains chairs, upgraded top of line stereo, adaptive bi xenon headlights, centre consol fridge and e diff, these features both our D3 and D4 have.

It's easy though to get carried away and start ticking options lists. The V8 D4 also comes with every option LR offer including not only what's listed above but TV and DVD player, surround camera's, sun roofs, heated seats and screen, folding mirrors, keyless entry and lots of other stuff I can't remember and while nice to have hardly ever get used and personally I wouldn't waste my money on them if buying new.

Don't think they do, when I broke mine, there was only one replacement axle, no mention of an axle for the e-diff model, which I have in mine.

[DI5CO]

Dave, if you and your wife share a lot of driving then seriously consider memory seats - unless she is also 6'2". The electric seats have a few more adjustments you can do with them so it can be annoying adjusting back after someone else has been driving. Also gives you auto dipping mirrors in reverse which I like. I don't have it on my new car and really miss it.


I would like the memory seats but can only get them in a HSE[emoji30]
Back in October there was a nice white HSE for sale privately (they were moving o/s so needed a quick sale) for the same price as the TDV6, 6m old, 9000ks only but we weren't in the position then to buy, the car was sold in 2 days[emoji24][emoji24]

[SBD4]

I would like the memory seats but can only get them in a HSE[emoji30]
Back in October there was a nice white HSE for sale privately (they were moving o/s so needed a quick sale) for the same price as the TDV6, 6m old, 9000ks only but we weren't in the position then to buy, the car was sold in 2 days[emoji24][emoji24]

that's bad luck Dave. Sounds like that car would have been perfect.

[Nicky]

Re the e-diff,
select the 4x4 function on the display when you are out off-roading and watch the e-diff lock come on and off, amazing technology.

[BenD4]

I would like the memory seats but can only get them in a HSE[emoji30]
Back in October there was a nice white HSE for sale privately (they were moving o/s so needed a quick sale) for the same price as the TDV6, 6m old, 9000ks only but we weren't in the position then to buy, the car was sold in 2 days[emoji24][emoji24]


I saw this one pop up. I was on the hunt for a White HSE with ediff at the time but wasn't quick enough. Someone got a very good buy.

[DI5CO]

Well F me!! So I took the SDV6 for a spin this morning and well....[emoji7][emoji7][emoji7]lol
So they have an SD in white with tech pack, no other options, or do I go the TD in
White, tech pack, rear air, DAB, meridian sound, xenons, blind spot and powerfold mirrors??
Price wise the SD is approx 3k more.
I guess by the time you compare the differences with the std items in the sd then I'm gaining rear air, dab, blind spot.
I found the sd seats extremely comfortable, but was more than happy and quite surprised with the TD seats. The arm rests are quite good too.

[SimmAus]

Well F me!! So I took the SDV6 for a spin this morning and well....[emoji7][emoji7][emoji7]lol So they have an SD in white with tech pack, no other options, or do I go the TD in White, tech pack, rear air, DAB, meridian sound, xenons, blind spot and powerfold mirrors?? Price wise the SD is approx 3k more. I guess by the time you compare the differences with the std items in the sd then I'm gaining rear air, dab, blind spot. I found the sd seats extremely comfortable, but was more than happy and quite surprised with the TD seats. The arm rests are quite good too.

Isn't the question: rear air, dab, and blind spot VS More Killer Wasps?
Did you notice any difference in performance between the two?

[jonesy63]

Re the e-diff,
select the 4x4 function on the display when you are out off-roading and watch the e-diff lock come on and off, amazing technology.


Or, watch the track so you stay on it! :p :wasntme::D

[DI5CO]

Did you notice any difference in performance between the two?


I didn't drive the TD! Lol so I can't compare. I honestly don't think I would be disappointed having the TD after the td5!!

[Nicky]

Or, watch the track so you stay on it! :p :wasntme::D

I don't mean stare!

[Smocky]

Well F me!! So I took the SDV6 for a spin this morning and well....[emoji7][emoji7][emoji7]lol
So they have an SD in white with tech pack, no other options, or do I go the TD in
White, tech pack, rear air, DAB, meridian sound, xenons, blind spot and powerfold mirrors??
Price wise the SD is approx 3k more.
I guess by the time you compare the differences with the std items in the sd then I'm gaining rear air, dab, blind spot.
I found the sd seats extremely comfortable, but was more than happy and quite surprised with the TD seats. The arm rests are quite good too.

That's a tough one !! Not surprised you fell in love when you took it for a drive. These things are gorgeous !!!

I went the SDV6, but I got rear air with mine. It's rear air vs the 30kw and the electric seats in reality. I'd find that a tough call. Maybe ring some other dealers?

[DI5CO]

Woohoo! Car ordered[emoji1]

Ended up getting the SDV6, white with tech pack, cold climate pack, blind spot, tint and rubber mats. Collect it next week [emoji1][emoji4]
Have been quoted $3100 for the extended warranty. Any thoughts on that?

[LandyAndy]

Woohoo! Car ordered[emoji1]

Ended up getting the SDV6, white with tech pack, cold climate pack, blind spot, tint and rubber mats. Collect it next week [emoji1][emoji4]
Have been quoted $3100 for the extended warranty. Any thoughts on that?

No sleep for you in the next week:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
re the warranty.mine was included,it swung me from demo to new.They wouldnt include the free warranty on the demo stock,deal at the time was on the new vehicles only.For me it meant 5 years of worry free motoring,they are Land Rovers when all is said and done;););););)
ENJOY
Andrew

[letherm]

Have been quoted $3100 for the extended warranty. Any thoughts on that?

There have been a couple of threads before about the pros and cons of extended warranty. Do a search on extended warranty in the AULRO search box at the bottom of the page. The price quoted is reasonable. I paid a similar amount over 2 years ago. You need to check what sort you are getting as there is a mileage limit on one version so if you think you're going to do a lot you might need the one that goes for 200,00km.

Martin

[Smocky]

Woohoo! Car ordered[emoji1]

Ended up getting the SDV6, white with tech pack, cold climate pack, blind spot, tint and rubber mats. Collect it next week [emoji1][emoji4]
Have been quoted $3100 for the extended warranty. Any thoughts on that?

Congrats !! I know the feeling. :D

$3,100 is pretty reasonable price. I would probably have bought it at that. You can roll it in to your lease, so it is only a bit extra each month for the peace of mind.

I asked questions about the warranty and the feedback was mixed. I was quoted about $4k though, so you've got quite a discount on that.

Now you'll know EXACTLY what a perma-grin is. LOL

[Meken]

And then there's the "S-Permagrin" after you 1st drive it in anger (sport mode)