Wading/Fording height

[Chris078]

Just been doing some reading. A standard Defender/110 is supposed to have an unprepared fording height of 500mm.
That 500mm line is stenciled on the fuel tank.
The Perentie is supposed to be lifted 50mm or so from a normal 110.
would that not raise that fording height to around 550 or did the army keep it at 500 for some extra safety?


I just measured mine and the top of the line is 530mm from the ground.
I just had new suspension fitted, and I'm trying to work out if they've fitted a 3" lift instead of a 2" lift kit.
because 3" would be illegal here in QLD.

[BadCo.]

Do this and let us know:


Ride Height
The best way to measure your lift is to measure your spring heights with the vehicle parked on level ground, measure from top to bottom of the rear of the front spring, and the same for the rear spring,with quality springs you will find that the drivers side is always slightly taller.

STD 90/110 FRONT SPRING measures 260mm +/- 5 mm
The REAR SPRING should be around 300 mm +/- 10mm

STD Disco/RRc FRONT SPRING measures 250 mm +/- 5 mm
The REAR SPRING should be around 300 mm +/- 10mm

These measurements are what i have taken over the years to calculate what lift you have got or haven't got.

From the standard measurements you can calculate what lift you have got.

Hope this will help what you need.

GWYN LEWIS

Mine is 300 front and 350 rear

[Chris078]

Thanks.
Just pull the receipt out.
King springs
KRRR-02 Front and

KLRR-04 Rear

According to their website,
those are raised coils for the County Diesel 84-91 so that part seems to be
correct. Pity is doesn't say what it's supposed to raise them by.

It just seems really high now. Much higher than a 2" lift which is all that is allowed in QLD without a compliance place.
http://imgur.com/NCAEMiX
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/399.jpg

[dingsy]

It doesn't look that high to me but looks a little nose -up. Maybe swap for the heavier front bar and call it a day? I believe the king raised fronts have a bit of a reputation for compensating for the Isuzu weight a little too much.

[flagg]

Thanks.
Just pull the receipt out.
King springs
KRRR-02 Front and

KLRR-04 Rear

According to their website,
those are raised coils for the County Diesel 84-91 so that part seems to be
correct. Pity is doesn't say what it's supposed to raise them by.

It just seems really high now. Much higher than a 2" lift which is all that is allowed in QLD without a compliance place.
2 Perenties - Imgur (http://imgur.com/NCAEMiX)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/399.jpg

When you put on new springs they usually sit a little higher initially until they bed in. This is normal. I had those on my 110 and they were about 2" lift.

The Perentie is a little lighter, combine that with the bed in and you're higher than expected. How is your steering?

[Chris078]

It doesn't look that high to me but looks a little nose -up. Maybe swap for the heavier front bar and call it a day? I believe the king raised fronts have a bit of a reputation for compensating for the Isuzu weight a little too much.


First thing I noticed when I got it done was it's nose in the air!
My mechanic reckons the springs should settle over a month or two of driving.
The heavy bar is on my (long) wish list. If anyone has one going cheap in Brisbane let me know!


Good thing I don't do any towing, she'd be doing stands on the back wheels.

I have a day off tomorrow, so I'm going to take a whole heap of measurements, post em up here and hopefully get some people to do the same so I can work out where it's at.
I hate for the insurance to be invalid because it's too high, or for the T/C to get damaged because of the driveshaft angle - Apparently over 2", depending on the car is where you start needing double Carden drive shafts.

[BadCo.]

Thanks.
Just pull the receipt out.
King springs
KRRR-02 Front and

KLRR-04 Rear

According to their website,
those are raised coils for the County Diesel 84-91 so that part seems to be
correct. Pity is doesn't say what it's supposed to raise them by.

It just seems really high now. Much higher than a 2" lift which is all that is allowed in QLD without a compliance place.
2 Perenties - Imgur (http://imgur.com/NCAEMiX)
http://imgur.com/NCAEMiX

Did you go outside and measure them?

[Chris078]

Just got out of hospital yesterday after a month in there (damn dodgy ticker) if I'm feeling up to it I'll look at them this weekend.

[87County]

Hi Chris , sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but it is an easy mistake & I trust it's not too much of a surprise for your "ticker".

From what you tell us you have fitted Kings LR County s/w "raised" rear springs - that's why it looks low and I'm sorry to tell you IMO it won't improve.

If you want raised Kings rears on a Perentie I think you should have KLRR05 which are listed in the catalogue for raised utes of the Perentie era and later raised Defenders.

KLRR04 is for the County s/w of that era - (the Perentie doesn't have the Boge unit that was ome on the County s/w). The catalogue is of little assistance in this regard, I think it needs a bit of red ink to draw attention to the situation.

Did the shop or Kings advise you about this? If so maybe they'd part exchange ?

Anyway - it is easily rectified & I genuinely hope that you are feeling better soon, now that you're out of hospital (been there done that) :)

[BadCo.]

I just checked my notes, and both those springs are underrated for the Perentie.

Spring Spreedsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bztp4ZSkCfeSRRlMznuSOPyCcEPWm8Va8RA-iyHI2Z8/edit?usp=sharing)

[87County]

Possibly my bad, Bad Co

How does the KLRR05HD shape up

I have KLRR05

I am quite aware that springs listed for the County (with L/L assumed) aren't going to work well

Thanks for posting the s/sheet

[BadCo.]

Possibly my bad, Bad Co

How does the KLRR05HD shape up

I have KLRR05

I am quite aware that springs listed for the County (with L/L assumed) aren't going to work well

Thanks for posting the s/sheet

Check the spreadsheet, they both are very heavy duty springs. I guess it depends how you use your truck.

[Chris078]

Thanks guys.Sort of ok now. For the meantime I have an external pacing device attached until a custom one is made in Germany and shipped over, should be ready in a couple of weeks. Not feeling too bad all things considered. Just have to be careful not to pull off one of these wires!


hmm. I haven't measured it yet. Probably won't for a while as I'm not really allowed to do anything. The front's have definitely settled a bit since install. I can't fit my head in between the tyre and the guard like I could when they were first fitted.

BadCo, when you say 'both those springs are underrated for the Perentie' which springs (part #) are you referring to?

I assume s/w is station wagon, what does l/l mean?
swapping the rear springs is a pretty easy job if it comes to that. I really would like it to sit level or arse up. Nose up just looks silly and does seem to catch the wind on the highway.
I suppose I Could probably sell the springs for close to what they are worth seeing as they have almost no km on them - if they won't swap them. Seeing as it's been a few months since they were fitted they probably won't.


I am interested in that spreadsheet :> showing different heights for the left and right springs. I can tell you each pair was exactly the same height when they were sitting on the ground before installation.

[87County]

Sorry Chris, L/L or l/l is the boge load leveller which does have a weight supporting function as well, they were only fitted to Counties and Range Rovers, not the utes or Perenties. Hence the requirement for a stronger spring on those vehicles without it. They are often removed from Counties when they no longer work and then the 05 spring is needed (if raised).

Simply dealt with, it is what I have on my raised County and it is close to level (slightlynose down) at normal loads.

Stay well & take care

[Chris078]

Do this and let us know:



Mine is 300 front and 350 rear

Just Had a look at mine, can only measure the drivers side at the moment

Front
Spring 31cm. centre of axle cap to guard - 54.5
(this has settled from 33cm when they were first installed)

Rear
spring 33cm. centre of axle cap to guard - 52.5

Measuring the line on the fuel tank to right (towards the front) of the writing, it's 52cm at the bottom of the line.

so it is sitting low in the rear, which seems to make sense given that info about the springs. Might give them a call tomorrow and see about swapping for a klrr-05.

So there are 4 KLRR-05 springs enter klrr-05 in the product section http://kingsprings.com.au/

KLRR-05
110 trayback 84-91 and defender 110/TD5 1992-2001

KLRR-05HD
Defender 130 1992-1999

Defender 110/Td5 1992-2001 (interestingly on this one the description says - Raised coil 300-500kg

KLRR-05EHD

130 1992-1999 - Raised coil 500Kg +

KLRR-05 HDPR - Raised comfort coil - progressive spring.

I don't know much about the suspension design on these. Will the springs referenced for the 130 fit on a 110?

Looking at those numbers, the KLRR-05EHD is the only one to fit given the Perenties 900Kg load rating for the tray. (if you want to keep that)