Oh no, is this a sign of things to come

[PeterJ]

Just released info on 2017 RRS, tells this story ".....2.0-l Ingenium diesel engine, the first four-cylinder diesel engine in a full-sized Land Rover. It produces 240 hp (179 kW) and 500 Nm (369 lb-ft)......"

Thats backward from where we are now with the D4 and a long way back from the Aust spec RRS 225kW and 700 N.m.

If that is the D5 engine it'a all a bit of a worry really for those of us who tow.........:(

[Grentarc]

I remember it being stated that the bottom spec engine will be this 2.0 but there will be a 3.0 as well for higher spec

[MrLandy]

Some would say it's a step forward environmentally to go to a smaller engine. ...Full-sized Defender has had a four cylinder engine most of its life and at half of these figures.
While I agree that for towing bigger is better. How much bigger is necessary is the question.

[JDNSW]

As an interesting comparison, Land Rover's first four cylinder diesel produced just 51HP from 2.0litres. And as for 'full size' - it was available on the 109.

John

[WhiteD3]

In the detail you'll see that the RRS weighs in a lot less than it used to so a comparison of old to new is not really valid.


Just released info on 2017 RRS, tells this story ".....2.0-l Ingenium diesel engine, the first four-cylinder diesel engine in a full-sized Land Rover. It produces 240 hp (179 kW) and 500 Nm (369 lb-ft)......"

Thats backward from where we are now with the D4 and a long way back from the Aust spec RRS 225kW and 700 N.m.

If that is the D5 engine it'a all a bit of a worry really for those of us who tow.........:(

[sheerluck]

Why worry? Do you seriously think that Land Rover would kill off one of the biggest sectors for it's vehicles?

[Narangga]

I remember it being stated that the bottom spec engine will be this 2.0 but there will be a 3.0 as well for higher spec

As indicated in this article

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...d-2-0l-diesel/

[Grentarc]

As indicated in this article

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...d-2-0l-diesel/
I knew I read it somewhere

[Narangga]

I knew I read it somewhere

Me too - I had to go search for it :angel:

[SBD4]

Just released info on 2017 RRS, tells this story ".....2.0-l Ingenium diesel engine, the first four-cylinder diesel engine in a full-sized Land Rover. It produces 240 hp (179 kW) and 500 Nm (369 lb-ft)......"

Thats backward from where we are now with the D4 and a long way back from the Aust spec RRS 225kW and 700 N.m.

If that is the D5 engine it'a all a bit of a worry really for those of us who tow.........:(
You are comparing a future bottom spec engine with current top spec engines.

The current 3.0TDV6 in the D4 is 155Kw/520Nm (the 2.7 was only 140/440), I think with the expected weight loss in the D5, the 2L Inginum will be putting up a good fight.

Land Rover have been pushing more performance out of all their new vehicles (on and off road), no reason why this should be any different.

[Barefoot Dave]

Lighter chassis, greater torque and manufacturer average emissions/ consumption requirements. People will just have to drive it like a landrover not a yank power monster ;)

[MrLandy]

Lighter chassis, greater torque and manufacturer average emissions/ consumption requirements. People will just have to drive it like a landrover not a yank power monster ;)

...👍

[nismine01]

And here was me about to question whether there would be a next version of Discovery.

With the Disco Sport and then two models about the same size (Rangie and Disco) I wondered if JLR might kill off one of these and consolidate.

Mechanically they are so close, it is really only the shape and trim levels that set them apart from one another, a Range Rover at Discovery price might lure people that way was what I was thinking, apparently incorrectly.

Ah well, can't be right all the time but just once would be great!:D

[Bytemrk]

And here was me about to question whether there would be a next version of Discovery.

With the Disco Sport and then two models about the same size (Rangie and Disco) I wondered if JLR might kill off one of these and consolidate.

Mechanically they are so close, it is really only the shape and trim levels that set them apart from one another, a Range Rover at Discovery price might lure people that way was what I was thinking, apparently incorrectly.

Ah well, can't be right all the time but just once would be great!:D

Disco Sport is simply the replacement for the Freelander - has no low range ;)

The brand consolidation happened below Discovery... with the Freelander name disappearing

Still a big difference between Disco Sport and real Disco.... just like there is a big difference between a RRS and a FFRR

[MrLandy]

The brand consolidation happened with the end of Defender.

You're correct, now every model is basically the same.

[MrLandy]

Sad to say Discovery is finished too. ... Not much difference btw Disco and Disco Sport that I can see. ..they're all just baby Range Rovers now.

Recent non-sensical gibberish from Jaguar Land Rover Australia boss Matthew Wiesner who told motoring.com.au...
"Discovery will take a more premium space and it's evolved into what Discovery is in its next life," he said. ..."It will still be a Discovery, it will still do the things a Discovery must have, it will still have the capability, the space, the family orientation. But it will also have a broader appeal from a premium point of view."

Translates as a more expensive homogenisation of all things Land Rover into a purely luxury brand of vehicles which essentially all fill the same city centric luxury SUV market. They even all look the same like a set of babushca dolls.

Broader appeal from a premium point of view? Is that even possible?

[SimmAus]

A few things to consider:

1) every new model released by Landrover has
a) been preceded with the "it's the end of the line / heritage / essence" sentiment;
b) been an improvement on the predecessor

2) A Discovery is what you make it...it can be a shopping trolley, school kids taxi, luxury sedan, touring vehicle or off roader to varying degrees of competence depending on what you want and where you go.

The new vehicle range will instantly appeal to some, will grow on others, and will never appeal to the rest.

I love my D4; but have no doubt the D5 will be an improvement "in most areas" (the loss of a split tailgate is a personal disappointment).

Only time will tell.....and if not the current D4s will be around for a while !!!

Cheers

[MrLandy]

Obviously. Some will like it. Some won't.

Improvement - if you value 'more car-like' as an improvement. Yes.
If you value bush-ability. No.

Improvement - if you value luxury. Yes.
If you value pragmatic practicality. No.