EKjimmy
8th November 2016, 07:53 PM
I've had the usual scour through the archives and google and can't really find the answers I'm after. I'm not particularly good at searching on forums so if I've missed the info i need feel free to point me in the right direction.
I've got a Series 3 109 which has a red 202 fitted to the standard landy 4 speed (plus an overdrive). It was originally a 4 cyl, and has had the radiator support (grille) panel moved forward approximately 6 inches in order to cram the 202 and what looks like a v8 holden radiator in.
I don't mind the 202 at all, I know my way around them, parts are cheap and easy to get and it performs very well, so for the time being it will stay.
I want to move the radiator and grille panel back to the standard spot. The width and height of the v8 radiator means it will not come back far enough as the steering relay gets in the way.
It currently has a commodore fan and shroud fitted, however if I can get the radiator back far enough and clearance to the front of the engine is a problem I could always put in a pusher fan assuming it will provide enough airflow.
So, what radiators are people using which will fit back in the standard spot but are still capable of keeping the 202 cool? I've seen some photos of 186 powered series with Torana radiators, which seem to fit between the LH inner guard and steering relay but don't know how it would cope with cooling the 202 (from what i've heard they tend to overheat a bit when put into these old girls).
Alternatively, would it be easier to source 2.6 6cyl prop shafts and move the whole shebang further back (modifying engine mounts and firewall in the process of course).
Is it that simple, or do the 6cyls bear differences other than engine mount location, prop shaft lengths and firewalls?
On to the next odd subject - although there is a tiny bit of information on the forum again not enough detail for what i'm trying to find out, or would require parts which are NLA and i'd imagine very hard to find.
I'd like to boot the old 4 speed- far too noisy, prone to leaks, and I have to have an overdrive strapped on the back.
I've got a few options here - for the time being I think I'll keep the 202. The first thing that jumps into my mind is a toyota 5 speed - still easy to find the adapters, I've only ever had good experiences with toyotas, parts are easy to get etc etc.
I know early celica/supra 5 speeds can be adapted to the 202 without a drama. The main problem I can think of is adapting the box to the land rover transfer case. Another problem is that I think the shifter position might end up being too far back.
And lastly, I'd imagine this would put the TC further back, requiring new propshafts = more time and money.
I've seen a few bits and pieces about landcruiser 5 speeds, but not enough specific info on which boxes will work.
Ideally I'd like to find a solution which will fit in without needing new or modified prop shafts, and preferably using a common gearbox with good parts availability.
In the long term I'm leaning towards another frankenstein setup - Hilux axles and brakes front and rear, Hilux 5 speed and TC, and an EFI 3RZ 2.7. I know the Hilux rear diff isn't offset to the right like a Landy one, which I imagine may cause clearance issues with crossmembers, so the other option may be something like a Landcruiser TC and rear diff.
Basically I want more modern driveability, reliability and easy parts availability, and preferably using parts from the same car rather than bits and pieces from all over the place.
It's starting to sound like a better idea to buy a Hilux and drop the landy body on, however I don't know if re-bodys are still certifiable in NSW. I know it was fairly common in the past for hot rodders to use jap ute chassis, sometimes including their driveline, with any combination of older bodies on top.
I realise Defender parts are somewhat more common, but they are expensive, harder to get parts for and I'm not as confident in modern LR parts reliability as I am with Toyota gear.
If you're still reading, congratulations on making it through that can of worms, thanks for having a squiz and TIA if anyone can shed some light on these questions.
Regards,
James
I've got a Series 3 109 which has a red 202 fitted to the standard landy 4 speed (plus an overdrive). It was originally a 4 cyl, and has had the radiator support (grille) panel moved forward approximately 6 inches in order to cram the 202 and what looks like a v8 holden radiator in.
I don't mind the 202 at all, I know my way around them, parts are cheap and easy to get and it performs very well, so for the time being it will stay.
I want to move the radiator and grille panel back to the standard spot. The width and height of the v8 radiator means it will not come back far enough as the steering relay gets in the way.
It currently has a commodore fan and shroud fitted, however if I can get the radiator back far enough and clearance to the front of the engine is a problem I could always put in a pusher fan assuming it will provide enough airflow.
So, what radiators are people using which will fit back in the standard spot but are still capable of keeping the 202 cool? I've seen some photos of 186 powered series with Torana radiators, which seem to fit between the LH inner guard and steering relay but don't know how it would cope with cooling the 202 (from what i've heard they tend to overheat a bit when put into these old girls).
Alternatively, would it be easier to source 2.6 6cyl prop shafts and move the whole shebang further back (modifying engine mounts and firewall in the process of course).
Is it that simple, or do the 6cyls bear differences other than engine mount location, prop shaft lengths and firewalls?
On to the next odd subject - although there is a tiny bit of information on the forum again not enough detail for what i'm trying to find out, or would require parts which are NLA and i'd imagine very hard to find.
I'd like to boot the old 4 speed- far too noisy, prone to leaks, and I have to have an overdrive strapped on the back.
I've got a few options here - for the time being I think I'll keep the 202. The first thing that jumps into my mind is a toyota 5 speed - still easy to find the adapters, I've only ever had good experiences with toyotas, parts are easy to get etc etc.
I know early celica/supra 5 speeds can be adapted to the 202 without a drama. The main problem I can think of is adapting the box to the land rover transfer case. Another problem is that I think the shifter position might end up being too far back.
And lastly, I'd imagine this would put the TC further back, requiring new propshafts = more time and money.
I've seen a few bits and pieces about landcruiser 5 speeds, but not enough specific info on which boxes will work.
Ideally I'd like to find a solution which will fit in without needing new or modified prop shafts, and preferably using a common gearbox with good parts availability.
In the long term I'm leaning towards another frankenstein setup - Hilux axles and brakes front and rear, Hilux 5 speed and TC, and an EFI 3RZ 2.7. I know the Hilux rear diff isn't offset to the right like a Landy one, which I imagine may cause clearance issues with crossmembers, so the other option may be something like a Landcruiser TC and rear diff.
Basically I want more modern driveability, reliability and easy parts availability, and preferably using parts from the same car rather than bits and pieces from all over the place.
It's starting to sound like a better idea to buy a Hilux and drop the landy body on, however I don't know if re-bodys are still certifiable in NSW. I know it was fairly common in the past for hot rodders to use jap ute chassis, sometimes including their driveline, with any combination of older bodies on top.
I realise Defender parts are somewhat more common, but they are expensive, harder to get parts for and I'm not as confident in modern LR parts reliability as I am with Toyota gear.
If you're still reading, congratulations on making it through that can of worms, thanks for having a squiz and TIA if anyone can shed some light on these questions.
Regards,
James