Chassis adaptor for 2T Omega bottle jack

[vee8auto]

Hi, I know there has been lots of discussion about the 2T Omega bottle jack from Blackwoods, in fact based on all that good info I just bought one, but has anyone been making and selling an adaptor for the top of the jack to fit the holes in the D3 chassis?
thanks.

[LandyAndy]

I did a run of 50 of them some time back,well my son made them I just collected the money and posted them out.
I don't think he is ready to make another run yet,as he has started his final 2 years at uni and the work load has upped significantly.
I may see him Saturday,I will ask him if he is interested,he wasn't a couple of months ago.
Andrew

[cripesamighty]

If he does start another run, put me down for 2..... ;)

[Mog60]

If he does start another run, put me down for 2..... ;)

And me two, too ! :D :D

[vee8auto]

thanks LandyAndy, so they are ok for a D3? I guess the D3 and D4 chassis details are the same?

But this is the wrong time of the year for a Uni student its understandable if he's not up to it.

cheers.

[LandyAndy]

They suited D3/D4/RRS.The L322 Rangie is different.
Andrew

[Milton477]

Another option.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/l319-discovery-3-4/115127d1476097693-new-jack-option-20161004_182127-medium-.jpg

[weeds]

Timely thread.....

if somebody could post the measurements of an adaptor it would be appreciated as I have offered to knock one up for a work colleague...unfortunately he is at another site and I don't have a D3

I did dig out a sketch I used for an adaptor to use for a trolley jack.

[Mog60]

Timely thread.....

if somebody could post the measurements of an adaptor it would be appreciated as I have offered to knock one up for a work colleague...unfortunately he is at another site and I don't have a D3

I did dig out a sketch I used for an adaptor to use for a trolley jack.

Here is a diagram that I found on one of the LR forums (I can't remember where from, so apologies to original owner) I think its for a trolley jack so I it would probably need a wider base so as to allow machining out a place for the top of the omega to fit into.

Anyway hope it helps.

[weeds]

Here is a diagram that I found on one of the LR forums (I can't remember where from, so apologies to original owner) I think its for a trolley jack so I it would probably need a wider base so as to allow machining out a place for the top of the omega to fit into.



Anyway hope it helps.



Yeah I have that one.....

Info I have is 16mm for the pin and 30.5mm recess to go over the jack.

[LandyAndy]

I spoke with my Boy today.
He is doing Exams over the next 2 weeks.
He may be able to do something after that.He has a knee injury so may not be able to go mining for a few weeks.
He wants to make the job easier,a lathe and steel is out,too expensive(time consuming).
He may be able to get them made in china,perhaps aluminium.
He also mentioned using industrial plastics.
Any thoughts????
Also who wants one???,no commitment at this stage,just getting ideas on numbers.Probably 50 again would be a target,I can hold a few spares.
I do have a list somewhere on the table here with those who missed out last time.
Andrew

[Mog60]

I spoke with my Boy today.
He is doing Exams over the next 2 weeks.
He may be able to do something after that.He has a knee injury so may not be able to go mining for a few weeks.
He wants to make the job easier,a lathe and steel is out,too expensive(time consuming).
He may be able to get them made in china,perhaps aluminium.
He also mentioned using industrial plastics.
Any thoughts????
Also who wants one???,no commitment at this stage,just getting ideas on numbers.Probably 50 again would be a target,I can hold a few spares.
I do have a list somewhere on the table here with those who missed out last time.
Andrew

I would like two if it goes ahead please Andrew. I should be on your list from before and although I am no expert I think I would prefer aluminium ;)

[rhinosm]

Count me in for 2 Andy
Thanks

[Narangga]

Timely thread.....

if somebody could post the measurements of an adaptor it would be appreciated as I have offered to knock one up for a work colleague...unfortunately he is at another site and I don't have a D3

I did dig out a sketch I used for an adaptor to use for a trolley jack.

Hope this helps - Please note I do not have micrometer.

The one I bought off Andrew sits on a Kincrome jack. The 'head' on that is 30mm in diameter and it is 10mm high (to the top of the knurling).

The adaptor is 50mm wide across the base and the base is 14mm high (external). The space in the bottom of the adaptor to receive the top of the jack is a millismidgen over the 30mm it needs to sit on top of the jack.

The locating knob is 10 or 11mm high and 16mm diameter.

[weeds]

Hope this helps - Please note I do not have micrometer.

The one I bought off Andrew sits on a Kincrome jack. The 'head' on that is 30mm in diameter and it is 10mm high (to the top of the knurling).

The adaptor is 50mm wide across the base and the base is 14mm high (external). The space in the bottom of the adaptor to receive the top of the jack is a millismidgen over the 30mm it needs to sit on top of the jack.

The locating knob is 10 or 11mm high and 16mm diameter.



Thanks Narranga........will get one knocked up during the week.

[Tombie]

Recess depends on jack - the Omega jack needs a larger base diameter...

[weeds]

Not sure what OD the omega jacking piece is.....

Attached is a sketch of the one I'm getting knocked up....the jacking piece measures 32mm. He doesn't want a grub screw.

I will post up if I have any left over. Early bird catches the worm [emoji6]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/19.jpg

[Mog60]

Not sure what OD the omega jacking piece is.....

Attached is a sketch of the one I'm getting knocked up....the jacking piece measures 32mm. He doesn't want a grub screw.

I will post up if I have any left over. Early bird catches the worm [emoji6]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/19.jpg

Hi Weeds, I would be interested if you have any available.

[Tombie]

Not sure what OD the omega jacking piece is.....

Attached is a sketch of the one I'm getting knocked up....the jacking piece measures 32mm. He doesn't want a grub screw.

I will post up if I have any left over. Early bird catches the worm [emoji6]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/19.jpg



Excellent...

I'd suggest recommending the fitment of a grub screw to retain the adapter as the vehicle and jack move off alignment *may* cause an issue.

Or just 2 tack welds [emoji6]

[Bigstu]

I'm keen for one too Andy if you're taking orders!:BigThumb:

[Guppy]

I would appreciate one also

Thanks

Gup

[weeds]

Not sure what OD the omega jacking piece is.....



Attached is a sketch of the one I'm getting knocked up....the jacking piece measures 32mm. He doesn't want a grub screw.



I will post up if I have any left over. Early bird catches the worm [emoji6]



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/19.jpg



I have three of these suckers up for grabs....they suited the application and would you believe he has fitted a grub screw.



These ones owe me nothing but if they suit your jack than maybe a donation to AULRO (will leave the amount up to you ) and postage to me feel free to claim one.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/20.jpg

[weeds]

2 left

[weeds]

1 taken leaves 2

[LandyAndy]

My boy doesn't have time to make any at the moment.
Instead of going to the fifo minesite he took up an placement offer with The Orbital Engine Company.He wasn't about to knock that back.
No spare time.
Andrew

[entropy]

1 taken leaves 2

I'll have one of those if any still available - cheers

Peter

[Mog60]

I would love one as well please.

Thanks. Peter

[weeds]

I'll have one of those if any still available - cheers



Peter



Done, PM me your address. I will send bank details for postage once posted.

[weeds]

I would love one as well please.



Thanks. Peter



Last one is yours...

As above, send address and we will sort out postage once they on there way

[Mog60]

Many thanks. PM on its way. :)

[entropy]

Done, PM me your address. I will send bank details for postage once posted.

You have a PM - cheers!

Peter

[weeds]

Should be posted Friday, I forgot to grab this this morning (flew to Melbourne) otherwise I could have popped them in the post today

[Mog60]

My jack adaptor arrived today. It fits beautifully and will most certainly add safety when lifting the car. So a really big thank you to Weeds for your generosity.

Peter::BigThumb:

[weeds]

My jack adaptor arrived today. It fits beautifully and will most certainly add safety when lifting the car. So a really big thank you to Weeds for your generosity.



Peter::BigThumb:



Glad it fits, as I didn't have a D4 to check against.

[DiscoJeffster]

I so need one of these. I guess I'll take the kind drawing and get someone to make me one up.

[Narangga]

Glad it fits, as I didn't have a D4 to check against.

Not to mention that you were only given the dimensions form someone who often doesn't know what he's doing.

Definitely a job well done.

[TB]

Has anybody found a reliable supplier for these adaptors? There’s no way I can make one myself... gotta pay somebody somewhere.

[DiscoJeffster]

I had one made. I have to say, I question the 2 tonne Omega jack as being suitable however. On my D4 is can’t even get a wheel off the ground without me putting a one inch lump of wood under it.

[Ferret]

I had one made. I have to say, I question the 2 tonne Omega jack as being suitable however. On my D4 is can’t even get a wheel off the ground without me putting a one inch lump of wood under it.

There are two 2 tonne Omega jacks. A single stage and a two stage. The two stage will lift it off the ground.

Single stage: Max lift - 395 mm
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Two stage: Max lift - 442 mm
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DiscoWA found some of the 2 stage jobs on eBay for $40 each delivered to Perth a while back. We bought 4. Of course you can also lift from underneath the arms - won't need the adaptor either.

[DiscoJeffster]

There are two 2 tonne Omega jacks. A single stage and a two stage. The two stage will lift it off the ground.

Single stage: Max lift - 395 mm
133871


Two stage: Max lift - 442 mm
133872

DiscoWA found some of the 2 stage jobs on eBay for $40 each delivered to Perth a while back. We bought 4. Of course you can also lift from underneath the arms - won't need the adaptor either.

It’s odd. I have the two stage and when I tried it my wheel was still fully drooped and was not off the ground at the Omega’s max extension. Maybe I’ll take another look at it and work out why

[LRD414]

I have the two stage and it can get the wheel off the ground. But it’s at full extension and I prefer to use a steel baseplate combined with a ply board to provide both stability and a little extra height.

Scott

[Ferret]

I have the two stage and it can get the wheel off the ground. But it’s at full extension...

Quite frankly jacking at the points on the chassis with either the scissor jack or the omega jack scares me because of the extension required. I prefer to jack under the arms though maybe not a lot choice if the tyre is flat.

[DiscoJeffster]

Quite frankly jacking at the points on the chassis with either the scissor jack or the omega jack scares me because of the extension required. I prefer to jack under the arms though maybe not a lot choice if the tyre is flat.

Yeah it’s awful! The length and awful angles everything moves to is unsettling

[DiscoJeffster]

There are two 2 tonne Omega jacks. A single stage and a two stage. The two stage will lift it off the ground.

Single stage: Max lift - 395 mm
133871


Two stage: Max lift - 442 mm
133872

DiscoWA found some of the 2 stage jobs on eBay for $40 each delivered to Perth a while back. We bought 4. Of course you can also lift from underneath the arms - won't need the adaptor either.

I'd suggest there are three types lol. I have looked at my manual for mine and it's a two stage 2 tonne and it reports a max lift of 418mm, which explains why I pretty much couldn't lift it at the jacking points without an inch and a half wooden jacking board underneath.

[Tombie]

TELESCOPIC HYDRAULIC BOTTLE JACKS (http://www.shinnfu.com.au/_mgxroot/page_10843.html)

You need to wind out the screw adjuster as well... did you do this?

[DiscoJeffster]

TELESCOPIC HYDRAULIC BOTTLE JACKS (http://www.shinnfu.com.au/_mgxroot/page_10843.html)

You need to wind out the screw adjuster as well... did you do this?

A picture speaks a thousand words

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/50.jpg

[Ferret]

Considerable parallax involved in looking at the tape measure on a photo, however my omega jack has ~14 screw threads exposed at max. extension. Yours has only ~8.

I can see the model No. on your jack. It's the same as mine. I think you have probably been short changed on the screw extension or something is stopping it winding out more.

[DiscoJeffster]

Considerable parallax involved in looking at the tape measure on a photo, however my omega jack has ~14 screw threads exposed at max. extension. Yours has only ~8.

I can see the model No. on your jack. It's the same as mine. I think you have probably been short changed on the screw extension or something is stopping it winding out more.

The parallax effect is only lengthening the measurement. It actually aligns to the manuals 418mm. Manual below. As I said, couldn’t understand the recommendation. I can now knowing that clearly the new model I purchased has been reduced in extension but the model number remained unchanged. Grrrr.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/51.jpg

[cjc_td5]

I recently had to change a flat tyre with the scissor jack (my new bottle jack was safely at home in the shed as I had not found a safe place to store it in the car yet...) and had it warp terribly and jam about 15mm short of getting the tyre off the ground.

There are nice dimples in the control arms that a bottle jack leg will sit into nicely. Is there any reason why "we" continue to jack onto the chassis with such long extension jacks? An alternative may be a good quality squat bottle jack that would fit under the arm with a flat tyre, which would need stuff all stroke to then get the tyre off the ground???

[SBD4]

Even the scissor jack works better jacking the control arm.

[DiscoJeffster]

I recently had to change a flat tyre with the scissor jack (my new bottle jack was safely at home in the shed as I had not found a safe place to store it in the car yet...) and had it warp terribly and jam about 15mm short of getting the tyre off the ground.

There are nice dimples in the control arms that a bottle jack leg will sit into nicely. Is there any reason why "we" continue to jack onto the chassis with such long extension jacks? An alternative may be a good quality squat bottle jack that would fit under the arm with a flat tyre, which would need stuff all stroke to then get the tyre off the ground???

Very good point. I’m a stickler for following the rules generally but next time I might just do that and use an arm.

[LRD414]

It actually aligns to the manuals 418mm. Manual below. As I said, couldn’t understand the recommendation. I can now knowing that clearly the new model I purchased has been reduced in extension but the model number remained unchanged. Grrrr.
I got curious and I've just checked mine. Disappointingly it is also the 418mm max height version.
I had always just assumed I'd got what I had paid for and never actually read the label! Hasn't been an issue because I've always used a jacking baseplate (steel and ply) or jacked from the suspension arm but as I mentioned before it always seemed very close to max extension, which now makes sense.

Anyway it appears there's two Omega jacks that are both labelled BST2000 but one is actually the BT035S (what I have) and the other is BT040S (442 max height). Details listed on the Blackwoods and Shinn Fu websites are misleading although I don't think it's Blackwoods fault. I reckon Shinn Fu changed from one to the other at some point.

Scott

[letherm]

I got curious and I've just checked mine. Disappointingly it is also the 418mm max height version.
I had always just assumed I'd got what I had paid for and never actually read the label! Hasn't been an issue because I've always used a jacking baseplate (steel and ply) or jacked from the suspension arm but as I mentioned before it always seemed very close to max extension, which now makes sense.

Anyway it appears there's two Omega jacks that are both labelled BST2000 but one is actually the BT035S (what I have) and the other is BT040S (442 max height). Details listed on the Blackwoods and Shinn Fu websites are misleading although I don't think it's Blackwoods fault. I reckon Shinn Fu changed from one to the other at some point.

Scott

X2

Martin

[bigjase]

Does anyone know if you can still get these jacks or is there another option that fits the Tuff Ant adaptor?

I bought the Tuff Ant adaptor in a bundle deal and can't find an Omega 2000 with the extended height nor another compatible bottle jack.

Cheers,

Jason

[LRD414]

I bought a similar jack with slightly smaller head and still use my adapter on both. I think the jack came from a VW transporter from memory. It’s almost identical but has slightly smaller head. I have found two bottle jacks easier to use than one with trolley jack due to narrow driveway.

Cheers,
Scott

[DiscoDB]

Blackwoods sell the Omega BST-2000. Whilst actual max is only 418mm (bit higher with adaptor), it is the 210mm stroke that makes it almost as good as the Discovery 2 jack.

I have one of LandyAndy’s custom made adaptors but had to grind out the inside diameter with a Dremel to make it fit the current version of the Omega jack.

[Sandy]

Blackwoods sell the Omega BST-2000. Whilst actual max is only 418mm (bit higher with adaptor), it is the 210mm stroke that makes it almost as good as the Discovery 2 jack.

I have one of LandyAndy’s custom made adaptors but had to grind out the inside diameter with a Dremel to make it fit the current version of the Omega jack.

Sorry for my ignorance here, but does the extra 24mm for the preferred BST-2000 make a significant difference? I am in the market for a bottle jack and was trolling through the tuffant site which brought me back to this thread.

[DiscoDB]

Sorry for my ignorance here, but does the extra 24mm for the preferred BST-2000 make a significant difference? I am in the market for a bottle jack and was trolling through the tuffant site which brought me back to this thread.

If you mean the difference between the early BST-2000 at 442mm and the later version at 418mm then no this extra 24mm is not critical. The extra height is achieved through the screwed extension which you only use when initially setting the jack up. No different to sitting the jack on some wood to raise the height.

What is important is the actual stroke from min to max and this is where the dual stage bottle jacks come in handy.

Both the early and later versions of the BST-2000 should have the same lifting stroke of 210mm which is just a bit short of the original D2 jack.

You really do use most of the 210mm just the lift the wheel off the ground because they have so much wheel travel (255mm at the front and 330mm at the back).

[Stuart02]

Blackwoods don't sell the 2000 anymore, it's the 2000B, which I just bought, but they haven't updated the height specifications in their online shop.

[DiscoDB]

Blackwoods don't sell the 2000 anymore, it's the 2000B, which I just bought, but they haven't updated the height specifications in their online shop.

Yep that should be the one. Repco also sell it.

The quoted specs on the Blackwoods website are wrong but Repco quote the correct specs. Should have min height 173mm and stroke 210mm. The screwed extension adds 35mm giving a max height of 418mm.

[Stuart02]

Pro Quip seem to have a bunch of handy bottle jack extenders, pads etc...< Pro Quip Safe Jack Bottle Jack Accessories (https://www.proquip.com.au/safe-jack/bottle-jack/) > if anyone's tried them?

[loanrangie]

Repco have 20% off for auto club members bringing the omega BST2000B down to $103.
At closed height will these fit under an arm instead of lifting from the chassis ?

[ScottLS]

Pro Quip seem to have a bunch of handy bottle jack extenders, pads etc...< Pro Quip Safe Jack Bottle Jack Accessories (https://www.proquip.com.au/safe-jack/bottle-jack/) > if anyone's tried them?

I haven't tried them but I am considering this one: Safe Jack 6 Ton 3inch Universal Lift Pad (https://www.proquip.com.au/safe-jack/6-ton-3-universal-lift-pad/). The chassis frame at the recommended jack point is roughly 5cm wide so that pad might work (with the recommended Omega bottle jack).

I'd prefer to buy the proven Tuffant adaptor (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/bottle-jack-chassis-adapter) which is also half the price, but it has been out of stock since at least June. Are there other ways to get the Tuffant style of adaptor for those of us without a lathe?

[Gravy]

Has anyone used one of these to raise their D4, suitable chassis adaptor would also be required?

Trail-A-Mate Jockey Wheel & Jack | Outback Equipment (https://www.outbackequipment.com.au/trailamate-jockey-wheel-jack-lifting-capacity-1000)

If viable this would save having to carry 2 jacks when the caravan is joining the travel adventures.

[Macadamia]

I have an Omega BST2000B bottle jack and since changing from the standard 255/55 R19 wheels to slightly larger 265/65 R18 - using the LR approve jack points it actually doesn't lift the car high enough to change a wheel. not sure if the old scissor jack would have the same problem. I'll have to use an inch thick piece of wood under it to get the job done.

[Steve86]

I'd prefer to buy the proven Tuffant adaptor (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/bottle-jack-chassis-adapter) which is also half the price, but it has been out of stock since at least June.

I asked Tuffant about the adaptors earlier this month when ordering a set of rims - was told they are restocking "in a few weeks".

I have an 8 tonne jack with 464mm height.
TTI 8000kg Bottle Jack TBJW8T | Total Tools (https://www.totaltools.com.au/142174-tti-8000kg-bottle-jack-tbjw8t)

[josh.huber]

Has anyone used one of these to raise their D4, suitable chassis adaptor would also be required?

Trail-A-Mate Jockey Wheel & Jack | Outback Equipment (https://www.outbackequipment.com.au/trailamate-jockey-wheel-jack-lifting-capacity-1000)

If viable this would save having to carry 2 jacks when the caravan is joining the travel adventures.

My camper trailer has one on the draw bar, useful little thing. Dunno if it'll lift the D4, i think by the time you built a bracket to lift it. The weight and size of the bracket would over come the advantage.

Me personally, I use the scissor Jack when I need to. Never had an issue.

[DiscoJeffster]

I have an Omega BST2000B bottle jack and since changing from the standard 255/55 R19 wheels to slightly larger 265/65 R18 - using the LR approve jack points it actually doesn't lift the car high enough to change a wheel. not sure if the old scissor jack would have the same problem. I'll have to use an inch thick piece of wood under it to get the job done.

I recall their extension was reduced at some point unfortunately. I carry a block of wood, 40mm thick with my jack that is enough to lift it and I use an adapter. This adds as a solid jack base anyhow so win win.

Alternatively jack under the arm and you’ll be fine.

[BMKal]

I have always carried one or both of these with me, depending on where I am travelling, and the scissor jack is still in its original home if I ever need it. So far, the Kinchrome 6 tonne jack has always managed to do everything I need. The adaptor to suit the Disco jacking points shown in the last photo fits onto either jack.

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I also have a steel base plate that lives under the drawers in the back of the car that suits either of these jacks.

[ScottLS]

Today was also the first time I've removed a wheel on my D4 (I have plenty of experience doing this with cars with unitary bodies).

I have an SCA 8t bottle jack to carry in the disco, which has a 36mm diameter head. I removed the EAS relay and fuse before starting from the normal height. I tried to jack using the LR recommended chassis point but the jack head moved sideways and I was not happy. So I used the lower arm which was interesting as the body/chassis moved up substantially before the wheel cleared the ground. And then getting a jack stand under the lower arm was difficult. I finished up using a small jack stand that could fit but was pushing its rating.

Could I have put a jack stand under the chassis rail while jacking the lower arm? That's probably a silly idea but the chassis lifted so much that it might work... obviously the lower arm would drop once the jack was lowered, but so what? I'd be happy to work under the car with a rated jack stand firmly under the chassis with a jack keeping the lower arm partly raised.

Another question - see the photo below of the jack in the lifted state - I wasn't too happy with this because the head moved sideways as it lifted ... or is this "just the way it is"?
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I have a trolley jack which is too small for the disco. Looks like another trolley jack is in my future.

[DiscoJeffster]

A hint. The manual recommends you Jack from extended height. It lessens the lean somewhat.

[Macadamia]

Scott, if you're going to jack form the chassis you really need a chassis adapter to be safe and even then the jack ends up on a bit of a lean.

If you're going to jack from the LCA - there's an EAS magic trick you should try out. Leave the EAS fuse in next time, jack it up a couple of inches. wait a moment for the EAS to readjust, then lower it an inch and wait for the magic. because of where the pivot points are, when the EAS adjust it actually LIFTS that wheel off the ground for you! Hard to get a jack under the LCA when you have a flat though. And I'm always a bit worried putting nearly a ton of car into a 5cm^2 small point on the LCA - not sure they're designed for that.