Engines? No manual box?

[richardb]

Just looking at the new Disco specs and LR list 3 engine choices:

TD4 2.0: 132kW, 430Nm
SD4 2.0: 177kW, 500Nm
TD6 3.0: 190kW, 600Nm

And one gearbox choice:

8 speed auto

Plus option of 2 speed transfer box with centre locking diff (with air suspension) on SD4 and TD6 engines. Optional rear locking diff too with the 2 speed transfer box.

Assuming a lot of Disco technology will be shared with the new Defender, but LR will hopefully try to keep costs down and off-road ability high, would the TD4 engine + 8 speed auto + 2 speed transfer box (minus air suspension) be the most logical combination?? Purely speculation I know, but anyway. Cheers

[weeds]

Surely it will have air suspension....

[LandyAndy]

I would think,and hope the new one will be a re-bodied D4,at least it would keep the D4 owners happy:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Pretty sure the coil version was dropped along with manual trans after the early D4s.
Shame the D4 commercial never came to Australia.Ive removed my 3rd row and the 2nd row is always folded down.
Andrew

[Pedro_The_Swift]

maybe their newer 8 speed will be the one,,
with 8 speeds covering lower and upper transfercase ratio's

surely we dont need 8 lowrange ratios Andy?

[LandyAndy]

They have just put a 10speed auto in the new Mustang.
Andrew

[Rok_Dr]

maybe their newer 8 speed will be the one,,
with 8 speeds covering lower and upper transfercase ratio's

surely we dont need 8 lowrange ratios Andy?

I like the idea and removing the transfer case would make for a simpler drive train.... not to mention a whole new forum debate which always happens when technology changes :cool::cool::cool:

Just have to find the ratios as they aren't in the brochures on the landrover web site.

Cheers

Steve

[loanrangie]

I would think,and hope the new one will be a re-bodied D4,at least it would keep the D4 owners happy:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Pretty sure the coil version was dropped along with manual trans after the early D4s.
Shame the D4 commercial never came to Australia.Ive removed my 3rd row and the 2nd row is always folded down.
Andrew

Only if the D4 goes on a huge diet and loses some fat but i do like the idea.

[RobA]

You would have to expect auto if they want to keep terrain response. It is the only way the software and hardware can collaborate properly. You can't have a human changing gears against the will of the software, OMG

In regard to weight I find this fascinating particularly in regard to both off-road durability and fuel consumption. We just got back from a little jaunt from Adelaide to Caloundra and return. On the outbound trip we towed the Ultimate to its new owners and got our normal 14.9l per 100km or 530km from the tank. On the way back and regardless of travelling during a national heatwave, we got 800km out of the tank. We sat on 112kph and cruise so I was not driving for efficiency and the AC was working all the time.

So with that sort of fuel consumption I have no problems if they use the current or I mean now old version of the chassis. Given some comments on this forum regarding a broken aluminium chassis resulting from a snatch recovery and if it is actually a fact then for those of us who spend a lot of time off bitumen I have a hankering for strength and if it means the same weight I am OK with that right now

Fascinating to see how this model actually develops

Rob

[SBD4]

If it is the 8 speed transmission used un the current vehicles then it will have a transfer box. The gearing is not low enough to compete with low range and .... the ever present argument of reveresing a heavy load without low range.

Almost guaranteed it will have low range and if they are smart they will also include locking differentials of some sort - at least at the rear. While TR is very clever, a locked diff does not need any thinking time. Makes for more steady progress I think having observed discos with and without an e-diff tackling the same terrian.

[blackrangie]

Disco 5 has coil susp/cloth seat option from memory

[RobA]

Disco 5 has coil susp/cloth seat option from memory

Nope! JRA site states "S" has EAS but yes cloth is the base configuration for seating

Rob

[Rok_Dr]

Nope! JRA site states "S" has EAS but yes cloth is the base configuration for seating

Rob

That page is wrong, you need to dig a bit deeper into the website. The Australian spec brochure, that can be downloaded, says the S has steel coils and EAS is available as a $2060 option.

Also refer the following press release UNSEALED 4X4 ISSUE 032 (http://www.unsealed4x4.com.au/issue032/#15)

Cheers

Steve

[RobA]

That page is wrong, you need to dig a bit deeper into the website. The Australian spec brochure, that can be downloaded, says the S has steel coils and EAS is available as a $2060 option.

Also refer the following press release UNSEALED 4X4 ISSUE 032 (http://www.unsealed4x4.com.au/issue032/#15)

Cheers

Steve

OK one site was right and one was wrong. I am not perfect! jJust spoke to my dealer who confirms springs are standard

After the sort of work we have done over the last two years give me EAS every time thanks. I cannot see what the fuss is about

Rob

[rar110]

I'm not in the market, but for me coils would have to be a lot cheaper before I would give up EAS.

[Tombie]

I'm not in the market, but for me coils would have to be a lot cheaper before I would give up EAS.



They could be free - I'm not changing back to spring steel..

[Rok_Dr]

Agreed all.

I much prefer EAS as well..... pity my D2 doesn't have it on the front :(:(.

With the new discovery I like how you can get an extra 60 mm clearance over the steel coils. Let's see how it settles in, but a mid spec sd4 could have a place in my driveway a few years down the track.

Cheers

Steve

[blackrangie]

OK one site was right and one was wrong. I am not perfect! jJust spoke to my dealer who confirms springs are standard

After the sort of work we have done over the last two years give me EAS every time thanks. I cannot see what the fuss is about

Rob
Long term reliabilty

[blackrangie]

I think some are misding the point..in an age where car makers are going more and more tech and making cars more unfixable in the outback..JLR have realised that thier is a market for a coil sprung model which means that the new defender will almost certainly come with coils or a coil option

[RobA]

Fine by me I have seen plenty of broken coils over my 20 or so years in the business and getting one of an IFS vehicle needs special kit, a serious jack stand and a quiet and steady approach to the repair.

From my experience with the D4 I will be looking at EAS if it comes either standard or as an option. Quite frankly I can't see what the fuss is about this is used on heavy vehicles amongst other harder working equipment and all I need is Gordon's emergency kit to keep me going if something actually goes wrong. Much less complex, takes up only a small amount of room and weighs bugger all

Each to their own

Rob

[blackrangie]

Fine by me I have seen plenty of broken coils over my 20 or so years in the business and getting one of an IFS vehicle needs special kit, a serious jack stand and a quiet and steady approach to the repair.

From my experience with the D4 I will be looking at EAS if it comes either standard or as an option. Quite frankly I can't see what the fuss is about this is used on heavy vehicles amongst other harder working equipment and all I need is Gordon's emergency kit to keep me going if something actually goes wrong. Much less complex, takes up only a small amount of room and weighs bugger all

Each to their own

Rob
KISS

[Tombie]

EAS is a proven KISS component...

Plenty of broken/collapsed coils to be found out there.

Coils have a life, as do Airbags..

Nothing, absolutely nothing, makes up for an owner who won't do preventative or scheduled maintenance.

[blackrangie]

EAS is a proven KISS component...

Plenty of broken/collapsed coils to be found out there.

Coils have a life, as do Airbags..

Nothing, absolutely nothing, makes up for an owner who won't do preventative or scheduled maintenance.
"EAS is a proven KISS component" sorry thats a stretch in a 4x4.

Ive had both and there are a huge amount of things that can go wrong with air susp
1. Bag puncture
2. Bag failure
3. Airline leak
4. Compressor failure
5. Air Susp Computer Failure
6. Air susp height sensor failure leading to comp failure and even limp home modes.

Yes you may say i carry spares for all of the above, have a fault clearer for everything but there is no way that air is more reliable or even remotely close to as reliable as coils or can even be refered to as "keeping things Simple"

I have had both and know first hand what is more reliable.

Coils only break or colapse if you 1 put the wrong coils in for the work you are doing, 2 overload your coils or 3 have old coils that are fatigued.

Most Broken Coils can be fixed with 4 good quality stainless hoseclamps or welded with a few small pieces of metal using your dual batterys ..not that ive ever heard of it happening to anyone I know

I agree the newer Land Rovers and Range Rovers air systems seem to be far more reliable then days gone by and you can increase reliabilty of any air system with a proactive maintainence schedule and i even tell people how reliable they are now and outback friendly etc etc..however air susp will never be as reliable as coils..Landrover knows this and thats no doubt why they are supplying the cars that will most likely hit remote environments and tuff work with a Coil option Namely the Disco 5 and the Defender (when released)

Air is a reliable system on a newer landrover..however coils will always get you further with less drama. Its just a question of are you willing to give away the enless list of benefits of running an air system for that extra reliabilty of coils.

The only person that can answer that is the person buying the car.

[Grentarc]

Why would you want coils with independent suspension? At least with EAS you get cross link valves.. coils have a lot less articulation

[blackrangie]

Why would you want coils with independent suspension? At least with EAS you get cross link valves.. coils have a lot less articulation
Ask any outback driver or KOH driver. As above there is no doubt the list of benifits of air suspension is long. Unfortunatly being more reliable than coils is not one of them neither is it keeping things simple when choosing to run coils or air..will the defender have a air susp option? Most likely. Will the Air Susp be awesome? Yes. Will the air susp option be more reliable than coils? No

[Grentarc]

Ask any outback driver or KOH driver. As above there is no doubt the list of benifits of air suspension is long. Unfortunatly being more reliable than coils is not one of them neither is it keeping things simple when choosing to run coils or air..will the defender have a air susp option? Most likely. Will the Air Susp be awesome? Yes. Will the air susp option be more reliable than coils? No
Well why not go all the way back to leaf springs then? About as much articulation as coils on independent suspension

[Tombie]

Well why not go all the way back to leaf springs then? About as much articulation as coils on independent suspension


And steel wrapped cart wheels - rather then those pesky
Pneumatic rubber things [emoji48]

[blackrangie]

Well why not go all the way back to leaf springs then? About as much articulation as coils on independent suspension

Leaf springs dont work to well with the independent scenerio which is used for safety and comfort..LR3 +2 coil/air front gives same flex,rear you get more from air.
Hopefully Landrover sort out the independant flex issue with the new Defender.

[blackrangie]

And steel wrapped cart wheels - rather then those pesky
Pneumatic rubber things [emoji48]
Simple yes but not strong enough to withstand 3 tonne and not capable of or comfortable at 110kph, you also have zero grip up a hill...even the all rubber(no air) wheel/tyre combo wont work for the simple fact they fill up with mud, back to the drawing board Tombie[emoji23]

[Tombie]

No need. I spend a lot of time driving in the bush - on my air suspended D4..
Even used on mine sites... where the Power Trains all run - Airbags... and the LVs regularly collapse struts/springs/leafs

Coils have a life, Bags have a life - the D3/4 bags are well armoured and unlikely to suffer a stick injury.

If the bags are replaced as part of an effective service schedule they won't let anyone down [emoji6]

Add to that - regardless of coil or air... you can always limp home...

[Tombie]

Technology is maturing..

The only reason LR will be offering a budget coil model D5 is cost... to offer an entry model.

[blackrangie]

Technology is maturing..

The only reason LR will be offering a budget coil model D5 is cost... to offer an entry model.
Thats is one of the reasons [emoji6]

[Tombie]

Thats is one of the reasons [emoji6]



Well it makes it immediately:

Worse riding
Less capable
Less versatile
No self levelling so Xenon headlights out of option

Add to that if towing it will require upgrades to springs etc..

[blackrangie]

Well it makes it immediately:

Worse riding
Less capable
Less versatile
No self levelling so Xenon headlights out of option

Add to that if towing it will require upgrades to springs etc..
This isn't a thread on what are the benifits of Air Susp..they are well known previously acknowledged above..Your choice of Air Susp is right for you and many others..it still doesnt make your car more reliable that a coil version.

[Tombie]

Perhaps - but it's about engines and Gearboxes..

And your comments initially had nothing to do with that either [emoji12]

[weeds]

Well after converting the rear of my defer to air suspension (airbags replacing coils) I'm sold it that on a beam axle...wish I had the dollars to do the front.

[blackrangie]

Perhaps - but it's about engines and Gearboxes..

And your comments initially had nothing to do with that either [emoji12]
My initial comment was to correct someone that mentioned there would be no coil option..completely inline with the thread discussion about the new defender, the title of the thread is just a title to start discussion on the new defender [emoji6]