EGR Valve Replacement on 2010 TDV8

[stusgonesailing]

Hi all,
i have just had an engine fault diagnosed as a LHS EGR Valve needing replacement. Can someone please advise on what is the approximate time for a replacement ansd approximate costs. the Stealers just quoted me $2800

thanks

[Stuart02]

Hi all,
i have just had an engine fault diagnosed as a LHS EGR Valve needing replacement. Can someone please advise on what is the approximate time for a replacement ansd approximate costs. the Stealers just quoted me $2800

thanksGeez that's brutal isn't it! Perhaps a $1000 remap including EGR deactivation would be money better spent?! (Disclaimer I have no idea if that would be an acceptable way to leave a faulty EGR valve!)

[Stuart02]

PS have you tried pumping some cleaner through it?

[stusgonesailing]

PS have you tried pumping some cleaner through it?

no i have not tried anything. just ran it straight into the dealer when all the warning lights went nuts

[rar110]

I think LR wanted about $1500 for each part when I enquired last year. They had none in stock. So the remaining cost is labour.

Whether to replace or disable or remap depends on what's wrong with the current EGR. It probably needs to be removed to work that out.

Some or maybe all remaps don't fully disable the EGR, but reduce its operation so less exhaust is recycled.

[stusgonesailing]

So i called BS on the dealer. Rang parts department and the EGR was only $660 (GST Inc) so that equates to 10 hours of labour to replace.

Rang Ritters and the complete change was only $1400, They also recommended doing both for $2300

[Nomad9]

TRS do a remap that disables the EGR's with no warning lights. I've been doing a lot of investigation n the last couple of days.

[rar110]

I would inspect one, ensure it's in the fully closed position, immediately fit a pair of emulators to disable both fully. Emulators set cost $500 approx. That's what I did, before the EGRs failed.

I bought this product about 1 year ago. I've been very happy with it. Some have experienced slow delivery and communication. I didn't.
Land Rover EGR Emulator (https://store.autocode.com.au/egr-emulator.html)

[Stuart02]

The Superchip (aka Bluefin) remap on mine apparently disables the EGRs. I haven't tried to verify that.

[Nomad9]

Hi rar110, where do the emulators go? Can I assume in the engine bay? By the way both MAP's cleaned both looked equally dirty. I'll see how I go tomorrow. Cheers Marty

[rar110]

G'day Marty, fitting emulators is as simple as unplug (Anderson like plug) EGR. Plug in emulator. Do the same for the other EGR. Put somewhere in the engine bay. Mine sit on the shock tower.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/07/340.jpg

[rar110]

Another FFRR owner had fitted the boxes to inside the ECU box.

[rar110]

Here's the EGR unplugged and emulator plugged in.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/07/342.jpg

[Nomad9]

Red cable ties...... really [emoji15]. Looks neat enough something else to explore on my return. I have to find out how much TRS charge to remap the engine ECU.

[rar110]

Yeah man. I thought it was like red Brembos. [emoji15]. Or maybe not. [emoji1]

[mustang2]

G'day;
Just reading your thread and wondering if you've considered going non EGR (complete removal).
My 2008 RRS tdv8 is now losing coolant at an alarming rate when towing with no obvious power loss, overheating (with coolant still present) or any other symptoms of a blown head gasket.
Without dismantling my diagnosis is failed a egr valve or cooler on the right bank due to steam from that exhaust pipe.
Has anyone done a complete egr removal or know of a shop that does it including remap as I suspect I will be up for similar costs to replace failed parts?
I'm open to any advice.
Cheers.

[BigJon]

Have you checked the thermostat for leaking? It is a pretty common failure. I had to replace mine at about 117 00km. About 4.5 hours work and the EGR valves have to come off to access it.

[rar110]

My thermostat housing was replaced at 178,000km.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

newbie mistake with those cable ties,,

trim the tails right back/off
or buy some bandaids,,,[wink11]

[rar110]

I should have pointed this out earlier from the 2nd pic above. Just out of interest the EGR plugs are sitting directly over the EGR outlet to the manifold. It's the pipe covered with a silver coloured mesh.

[p38brickus]

I would inspect one, ensure it's in the fully closed position, immediately fit a pair of emulators to disable both fully. Emulators set cost $500 approx. That's what I did, before the EGRs failed.

I bought this product about 1 year ago. I've been very happy with it. Some have experienced slow delivery and communication. I didn't.
Land Rover EGR Emulator (https://store.autocode.com.au/egr-emulator.html)

I ordered this product last week and have had no communication at all. I guess I'll have to consider myself a "some" after reading your post. Are you still happy with the fix? Thanks

[rar110]

Yes very happy. The seller has a reputation on here with not communicating. Mine took 2-3 weeks to arrive from memory.

I don't really understand how this happens, but here are pics of the throttle bodies on my L322 tdv8 and on another member's L322 on here. Mine has not been cleaned as far as I know for about 40,000km. Although I have used induction cleaner in the last 15,000 & 25,000 km ago, and took the MAPs out for a clean not long ago.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/1063.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/1064.jpg

[rar110]

Both have done 240,000km plus.

[rar110]

I'd be interested to hear from other tdv8 3.6 owners what is normal for a throttle body on these cars, ie without induction cleaning and EGR disabled. I noticed during the previous owners time the detailed service history always included an item like "clean throttle body".

[Jetfisher]

Has anyone who has done any sort of modification to the EGR got confirmation from their insurance company that this modification is OK and does not effect insurance? Thinking of doing mine 2010 RRS TDV8 3.6 but do not trust insurance companies to regard this mod as rendering the vehicle un-insurable.

[p38brickus]

The emulators arrived today at the mechanics after about 3 weeks. He'll be fitting them on Tuesday. Funny how they were in a box, no instructions, no invoice, no kiss your ass. [biggrin]
As Confusius say, "May you live in interesting times."
Thanks again for your help guys, much appreciated.

[rar110]

There's a pretty good instruction vid on YouTube. Seriously, it's simply unplug the EGR and plug in the black box. Next, apply some zip ties so the cable doesn't move around too much. Finally, find somewhere tidy for the black box to live.

[rar110]

And let us know how you find it. I'm one of a few lonely voices who was very satisfied with this product.

[p38brickus]

There's a pretty good instruction vid on YouTube. Seriously, it's simply unplug the EGR and plug in the black box. Next, apply some zip ties so the cable doesn't move around too much. Finally, find somewhere tidy for the black box to live.

Can I use purple cable ties.......PLEASE!!!! [tonguewink]

[rar110]

Perfect.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Can I use purple cable ties.......PLEASE!!!! [tonguewink]
only if you TRIM the tails!![bigrolf]

[p38brickus]

only if you TRIM the tails!![bigrolf]

Is there a protocol for trimming? One inch from the end or what? Shall I leave them long until the facts are written in stone? [wink11]

[DiscoClax]

Mate. Get a tensioning trimming tool for cable ties. It'll change your life :) You can get decent ones for under $20, and no more 'cat scratches.

[BigJon]

And let us know how you find it. I'm one of a few lonely voices who was very satisfied with this product.

Mine have been on for a month or two. No discernible difference to the way it runs.

[p38brickus]

So how do we feel about a big hole in the inlet manifold? I feel sick.

[rar110]

I’ve heard of a cracked manifold. I’ve read about one owner doing a DIY repair.

[p38brickus]

This is a big hole about 1" square. Maybe cracked manifolds end up as a hole if they're not found in time.

[rar110]

That’s bad. I’ve never heard of that. I think a crack will put it into limp mode.

[p38brickus]

Hole in manifold turned out to be BIGGER than I first thought when everything was moved out of the way. :censored:

132001

New manifold from England was cheaper than a second hand one from here in Australia. (Go figure) Only problem was the 2 week delay. Luckily we have a couple of other cars to choose from. My wife has a BMW X5 TD (oldy but a goody) and I have a Saab Convertible (cheap toy).
I went to see Mick today and he showed me the EGR and it's easy to see why the manifold was burnt. :o The EGR itself was only 1/2 there.

132002

The engine has no death rattles so we're thinking the offending bit either burnt out over time or passed out through the burnt hole in the manifold.
Mick's made a couple of blanking plates....

132003

.......which will be used plus the emulators and hopefully "Bob's your auntie's live in lover." [bigsmile1]
He'll be working on it over the weekend so with any luck I'll have it back next week and I can report the results.
Wish me luck.

[Rextheute]

WOW !
Thats a hole , was it a sudden loss of performance or over time ?

As that looks almost like and im/explosion ?

Obviously , NOT a "speed hole " !!!

[p38brickus]

I went to Lightning Ridge in June this year with my caravan and refuelled in Cann River. About 100kms later I had a loss of power which doesn't happen with the TDV8 so I was using Sporto gears, 4th when I should have been buzzing over the hills towards Canberra in 6th. [smilebigeye]
In Canberra I spoke to a mobile mechanic who diagnosed bad fuel and he was sure after a couple more refills it would improve. I bought some fuel additive stuff as well. When I returned from LR it seemed a bit better so I pressed on with it. I never had any unusual lights on the dash at any time during this whole affair. Some mornings I would start it up and get quite a bit of white smoke from the right exhaust pipe. Diagnosed with a crook injector this time. Then I spoke to you gurus and it leads me to EGR problem. One day the exhaust started to sound very throaty......kinda nice actually [smilebigeye]. Slight loss of power one day when we went to Orbost with the horse float and then a very throaty exhaust! In to the mechanic and the hole was found and the rest is history.

[rar110]

I can’t understand where the hole is located from the photos. Can you explain from this diagram.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/236.jpg

Or this.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/237.jpg

[p38brickus]

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The part was sitting on a bench so there is other Jungle-a-mugela there which is not related to the EGR manifold.

[p38brickus]

This is the offending air duct.............

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This is the offensive hole in said offending part......

132292

Bear in mind that at no stage did I have any lights come on on the dash....EVER!
This is looking down the throttle body on the RHS.

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I had sprayed Wurth's EGR cleaner down there a couple of times.
This is the LHS. I had never sprayed EGR cleaner down that side.

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This is where my mechanic placed the emulators.

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Pretty neat I reckon.....and not a red cable tie in sight. [smilebigeye]
While he was in the valley he replaced the oil cooler seals as well. They were fine but he was advised it was a good idea while he was in the area.
The air duct was $500 ex England delivered.
A gasket was $90.00
The emulators were $554.
He only charged me 4.5 hours labour @ $85/ hour.
Grand total of $1679. Pretty happy with that.
I drove it home, it felt fine, no lights on the dash and running cool. When I got home there was a slight smell of raw fuel so I'll take it back in about an hour to find the problem.
Fingers crossed all is well.

[p38brickus]

Update on my previous post. The car is driving sweetly and smoothly. I don't think it's quite as powerful as it was before but maybe I'm driving it more sedately. It is definitely using more fuel, about 1 - 1.5 L/100 in both towing mode and non towing mode. It still has plenty of power when towing my van so no complaints there.

[cal415]

G'day;
Just reading your thread and wondering if you've considered going non EGR (complete removal).
My 2008 RRS tdv8 is now losing coolant at an alarming rate when towing with no obvious power loss, overheating (with coolant still present) or any other symptoms of a blown head gasket.
Without dismantling my diagnosis is failed a egr valve or cooler on the right bank due to steam from that exhaust pipe.
Has anyone done a complete egr removal or know of a shop that does it including remap as I suspect I will be up for similar costs to replace failed parts?
I'm open to any advice.
Cheers.

Mustang, curious if you ended up finding more info about a complete removal, i have my wifes tdv8 RRS apart at the moment, its already had the EGRs tuned out but one is stuck slightly opened i suspect so considering getting rid of them all together - i have to do the oil cooler gasket so i have to pull most of it out for that anyway.

Has anyone who has EGR tuned out unplugged them to see if it throws any errors? i assume it wont but would like to know before i get that far, im already pretty deep into it so to late to check it out now.

[Graeme]

Not answering your question but perhaps indicative, my brother's stock 2008 3.6 RRS has the EGR connectors disconnected because one or both were sending incorrect position information. There is an instrument cluster warning so the connectors will have to be refitted for a rego check but he reports that the car goes well again and doesn't go into limp mode at the slightest whim.