Rangie let me down for the 1st time ever tonight

[Steinzy]

Pulled up at the Servo because petrol was cheap (well as cheap as it can be these days - $1.16/L for premium) so i filled the tank 95L ready for the trip to Landcruiser on Friday. After paying and starting the car I begin to drive off and the engine just stalls???? So i roll out of the way and try to start the car, starter motor turning engine but it just wouldn't start :evil: So I pull out the mag light check all the leads check if i'm getting spark and all is ok. So we call RACQ to arrange for some grease jockey that has know idea about landy's to come out and check things like injectors and we find out that when I bought the Rangie 2 years ago and had it added to our roadside assist that it wasn't done so we had to pay an extra $60 to have the car added and a mechanic sent out. We wait 15mins and a guys come out and he's so confident that he knows what hes doing in the end he decided that banging the fuel tank with a rubber mallet might make all the difference - well it didn't so he called a tow truck. we wait another 1.5hous for the tow truck to arrive because the truck that they first sent had its enging blow up! so when the tow truck go there we had the car towed to Ricks 4WD and I reckon the fuel pump is stuffed!!!

The only good news is on arriving home at 9.45pm that I found the warranty that I purchased with the car covers Fuel pumps for up to $750. Just hope that I can get it done before Friday 8O 8O 8O

[hiline]

fingers crossed for friday https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:

[cwebb]

I guess if you are getting spark, then the computer and most electrics are working, which is a bloody good sign for a Rangie.
If you are correct in saying just the fuel pump is gone, then that would be a blessing. Quick to fix, and nothing detrimental, like an engine, or electrical gremlins.

[Steinzy]

Well i hope that's the case - I'll be really peeved if they have to drain the fuel from the tank cos it just cost me $110 to fill.

[hiline]

the wife's HSE has been a naughty girl of late :evil: :evil:


it keep stalling at first :? :? turn out to be the stepper motor or something

then christmas eve the darn brakes went caput :evil: :evil: :evil:


and now it has a miss every now and again :roll: :roll: :roll:


but before that we never had a problem (14 months)

[Jamo]

Good luck Steinzy!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[LoadedDisco]

Its should be ok with the fuel most will drain it through a filter to a drum and then filter it back again so you should loose there hopefully. Please inform of what the problem was found to be once its rectified ill be very interested being myself a V8 owner.
You never know it might not be the engine but a bad batch of fuel. :idea:

[matbor]

in my disco, all u do is pull the carpet up, undo the fuel tank inspection panel and then undo the fuel pump/sender assembly, no need to drain the petrol, pretty easy job. Not sure about rangie's though.

matt.

[Steinzy]

will keep you posted - i'll be down at Rick's tomorrow at 7.30 am to get the problem fixed (no car = no work in real estate)

It was a very sad sight seeing my baby on the back of a tow truck

[hiline]

Originally posted by Steinzy
will keep you posted - i'll be down at Rick's tomorrow at 7.30 am to get the problem fixed (no car = no work in real estate)

It was a very sad sight seeing my baby on the back of a tow truck

i must agree with you there :wink:

my 130 had to go home on a tow truck when it was 3days old :cry: :cry:

smashed drivers side CV :evil: :twisted:

going where i shouldn't of been

[River]

That's unlike you , Ray https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[hiline]

Originally posted by River
That's unlike you , Ray https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

now now c'mon you know i love the bush https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/




























love to wreck it even more https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:


( just joking guy's )

[p38arover]

I think it's a drop the tank issue to get at the pump - and the last time I tried it on my P38A, it was a mongrel of a job. (note, tried - I didn't end up getting the tank out. I was looking to see if there was any problems with the filler which was causing the continual blowbacks when filling. here is a TSB on this).

Ron

[FenianEel]

Good Luck Steinzy,

Hope it's a simple and inexpensive job.

Nothing worse than than your beast letting you down - it's like getting jilted by a girl - or dissapointed by your missus

ONLY WORSE https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

Well just got back from Ricks.....







on foot :evil:


He plugged his Autologic Computer into the car and the idle was set to 6500rpm and the air/fuel mixture was out but the computer wouldn't let him change it to the correct values.



I can see quite a big labour cost to track down and fix this unknow issue - but they should be able to have it fixed today with any luck



Fingers Crossed

[FenianEel]

Bugger :evil:

[stevo68]

Good luck mate, and have a ripsnorter of a time on the weekend with the rest of the bunch,wish Iwas coming along, always nex time,

REgards

Stevo

[Steinzy]

Got to get the car fixed first!!!!

[stevo68]

Mate, the power of positive thinking https://www.aulro.com/afvb/, your in sales, you should know that https://www.aulro.com/afvb/, she'll be right I am sure. Im sitting here waiting for a mechanic to come and fix my 5 day old ride on, seems it is meant for mowing, not slashing :oops: ,

REgards

Stevo

[rangieman]

good luck mate i hope your sitting when he hands you the bill 8)

[gruntfuttock]

Ah the joys of owning a british car






























































or any other car for that matter https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

Well just got a phone call from Rick - and there is a **** load of water in the fuel!!!!!

Got on the phone to the servo and they reckon that I'm the only one who's had an issue. Rick has taken a sample of the fuel and being that I put 95l in the tank and it's a 100L tank and I had no issues before I filled it I reckon that I've got a fair case.

Rang Caltex HQ and they are on the case - he said from what I told him that the issues with the engine not starting are consistant with water in the fuel.

Being a public holiday tomorrow I don't know whether I'll have the car back in time for land cruiser


Bugger :evil: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Outlaw]

Geez Steinzy hope all is okay... i was about to call Rick this morning to book in for an urgent service as it was overheating bad this morning :cry:

but all fixed luckily... i hope https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[FenianEel]

That's **%_^&@$ :!: :!: :!: :twisted:

I'd let them have both barrels - I'm sure HQ will want to sort it - quickly and quietly....

If not I'd be preparing to make some noise - (lawyers, publicity etc.)

[Steinzy]

If the cars not ready in time I'll have to beg someone to let me tag along as passanger! :cry:

[Outlaw]

Originally posted by Steinzy
If the cars not ready in time I'll have to beg someone to let me tag along as passanger! :cry:
See how you go... but if all goes to the ****, i think Camo was looking for a passenger in the HSE

[Outlaw]

or you could offer to borrow Glens D130 or D90 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: or the rangy ute, to help him sell it of course. but the D130 could be good to help me decide to buy it :twisted:

[Steinzy]

Yeah - I like my chances of that happening

[Gazz]

Originally posted by Steinzy
Pulled up at the Servo because petrol was cheap (well as cheap as it can be these days - $1.16/L for premium) so i filled the tank 95L ready for the trip to Landcruiser on Friday. After paying and starting the car I begin to drive off and the engine just stalls???? So i roll out of the way and try to start the car, starter motor turning engine but it just wouldn't start :evil: So I pull out the mag light check all the leads check if i'm getting spark and all is ok. So we call RACQ to arrange for some grease jockey that has know idea about landy's to come out and check things like injectors and we find out that when I bought the Rangie 2 years ago and had it added to our roadside assist that it wasn't done so we had to pay an extra $60 to have the car added and a mechanic sent out. We wait 15mins and a guys come out and he's so confident that he knows what hes doing in the end he decided that banging the fuel tank with a rubber mallet might make all the difference - well it didn't so he called a tow truck. we wait another 1.5hous for the tow truck to arrive because the truck that they first sent had its enging blow up! so when the tow truck go there we had the car towed to Ricks 4WD and I reckon the fuel pump is stuffed!!!

The only good news is on arriving home at 9.45pm that I found the warranty that I purchased with the car covers Fuel pumps for up to $750. Just hope that I can get it done before Friday 8O 8O 8O



Have you tested for water in the fuel? If your vehicle was going OK before you filled up this could also be the answer to the problem. You could ring the service station as they can test for water in the underground tanks at the site (they use water finding paste on the bottom of the tank dip stick). Alternatively you can get fuel from the fuel line in your tank. If it is cloudy then that is the probelm.
Water in service station tanks can come from heavy rain. It can flood into the fill points of the tanks at the site if the tank fill cap was not tight and same with the dip points as they are separate from the fill.
Alternatively it can come from the suppliers tanks or the truck itself if it has been down for maintenance (gas freeing with water/steam to do repairs on the tank/trailer).
Hope this helps.
Gazz

[Steinzy]

Thanks Gaz - the issue was water and Caltex are looking into it for me

[weeds]

hey steinzy

whats the delay in getting the rangie back on the road, is it as simple draining the bad fuel, flushing the lines and refilling or has the bad fuel buggered other things

[Steinzy]

I think that the water has run through the injectors - but still waiting on a more detailed report from the mechanic

[seqfisho]

Hey Steinzy,

You know it is actually dearer to run your car on water than it is on petrol dont you :roll:

Mt Franklin 600ml $1.80-$2.40

Premium ULP 1000ml $1.16-$1.24

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[Steinzy]

8O geez I wish I'd know that before!!!


Thanks for the laugh mate https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[p38arover]

Anthony, you do realise that the claim that there was water in the fuel will not be accepted by EVERY Toymota and Missin 4WD owner on the Gold Coast who happened to see yet another RR being taken to the mechanic on a flatbed. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[Steinzy]

It's Ok Ron , I did it as dicreatly as possible and after I was out of harms way the bonnet was down and there were no hazard lights!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

Just to make it better our xtrail that we filled up last night at the same petrol station is now having the same issues. Just getting it towed to the Nissan dealer to be fix - was told not to expect in back untill Wednesday.

Great now we have no cars :evil:

Caltex told me this afternoon to have both cars fixed and send them a copy of the invocies and they will invetigate further to see if it's a problem with their fuel - Barhumbug

Then they will decide whether or not to pay for my damages!

I bloody hope this doesn't have to go to the small claims court :evil: :evil:

If it does I will sue them for loss of income as well :roll:

[FenianEel]

Anthony,

Send the invoice :?: :!: Send 'em an offer they can't refuse as well. (sorry I've been watching the Godfather trilogy on DVD again).

Let me know if you need a good lawyer - i know a few - I'm sure you know a few too.

I Know plenty of bad ones!!!

[Steinzy]

This is the letter I have prepared to send to Caltex - your feedback is greatly appriciated

Caltex Customer Service
Attn: Tony Ventura
Ph: 02 9250 5000
Fax: 02 9250 5609




After putting 95.08L (transaction no: 9289/34 05) of Caltex Vortex (a high-performance premium unleaded petrol. It is specially formulated to clean your car's fuel system while you drive.) I started my vehicle (1999 4.0L V8 Range Rover SE) drove forward out of the browser 2 meters when the vehicle stopped and would not start. We called RACQ and a service technician tested the vehicle with no fault evident. We arranged to have the vehicle towed to Rick’s 4WD – a mechanic that specialises in Land Rovers, who the found that there was a large quantity of water in the fuel.

With this knowledge I call my Fiancé who filled our Nissan X-trail with L of Caltex Vortex (transaction no: 5613/ 35 07) at the same time to check if her car had be running properly and she proceeded to explain that the vehicle wasn’t idling properly and wanted to stall. So I have arranged the vehicle to be towed to the local Nissan Dealership (Von Bibra Southport) to have the fuel drained and the fuel system flushed and cleaned.

Both these cars have a full service record with no prior problems and were running fine before we filled the tanks with petrol at you Caltex/ Woolworths Service station at the corner of Hinkler Drive and Papas Way Nerang Qld 4211.

We are holding you responsible for the damage and repair costs caused by the contaminated fuel and replacement cost of the fuel.

As I am in Real Estate and heavily rely on my vehicle for work and this issue has potentially led to a substantial loss of income as well as a large backlog of work due to the absence of a vehicle.

I appreciate your co-operation in this matter to help resolve it as soon as possible and at as little inconvenience to both parties.

Please find attached copies of the work carried out on both vehicles to remove the contaminated fuel and the purchase receipts for the contaminated fuel.

I hope that this problem won’t lead to my disappointment with for company resulting in the cancellation of my petrol Star Card Account and pursuit of a Lawsuit to recover damages in the small claims court.

I appreciate your prompt response,




Anthony Steinberg
L J Hooker Pacific Pines
Mob: 0439 999 969
Fax: 07 5573 7821
Email: asteinberg.pacificpines@ljh.com.au

[hiline]

this happened yrs ago with my work rangie :evil: :evil:

water in the fuel from servo


but when it happened to us their was about 10 others cars park on the side of the road with us.........hmmmmmmmmm

something aint right

walk back to the servo and give him a blasting https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

it worked out well in the end :wink:

we ended up making a few bucks out of it :wink:
you know all the problems it can cause https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:


good luck mate

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">if you dont mind my proof reading it.....
this bit confused me a touch....i know what you meant....but....

it sounds like a very professional and firm letter straight to the point...
a serious threat without sounding too threatenning....</span>




[quote=steinzy]I hope that this problem won’t lead to my disappointment <span style="color:darkred">with for </span>



<span style="color:green">and when you said you filled both cars there......
i was wondering if that was for a second opinion...... </span> 8O

[Steinzy]

Hey Zook thanks for the help.

We filled both cars becase they were both near empty and petrol was cheap

[LoadedDisco]

Stienzy,
Thought it might have been the fuel, if you have to much curry in Caltex let us all know as people power always wins.
Nothing a 4x4 blockade of that service station wont fix.

[LoadedDisco]

Its a good letter Stienzy and should do the trick with a photo copy of recepts. Another thought if it looks like getting ugly which I doubt it as there will be a few other people that have filled up on that day just before you or after that will be complaining as well which will show that there was a problem with there fuel.
You can get the CCTV footage from the service station that also will prove you where there.

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by LoadedDisco
Stienzy,
Thought it might have been the fuel, if you have to much curry in Caltex let us all know as people power always wins.
Nothing a 4x4 blockade of that service station wont fix.

I like your train of thought!!! :twisted: :twisted:

[FenianEel]

If you need to,

It may help to mention you are a member of several (no need for names), 4wd clubs/organisations, that have many members, and you will be making all of them aware of the situation.

[MickG]

Steinzy, i'm feeling your pain, hope the beast is back in action by Friday. Keep me posted by phone and as I said, there is a spare seat in my car for the weekend.

Aye, Mick

[x-box]

Aaaah Steinzy, hope you get sorted mate! Nothing like the disappointment caused by someone else that buggers up your plans for the weekend :cry: .
All the best and seeing as i'll be working the whole time, i'll see you at the meeting next week :wink:
Good luck and a speedy fix for the Rangy!

Louis

[Steinzy]

Thanks mate.

Mick was over at Ricks yesterday arvo and said that they were busting their guts to get it sorted for me!!!

fingers crossed I get it back sometime on Friday

[River]

make sure they keep a sample of the fuel from the tank and lines from both cars, this will assist the oil company in making the right :wink: decision

[Steinzy]

Will do - thanks mate

[River]

sorry forgot to add, if also would'nt hurt to see if the pumps you filled up at in the last 24/48 hrs are still in commission, or have been blocked off as "out of order" Digi cam may come in handy here, also a mower can of fuel out of the pump if its still in operation. usually 1 tank will feed 4/6 pumps depending on tank size and site layout,
call the caltex help desk to don't wait for the delay of a letter, get the probelm loged,

cheers

[Steinzy]

Only found out that the fuel was contaminated at 10am the day after whan the mechanic had called me - by that time the servo had refueled their tanks with new fuel

[River]

Damm, make you call the Customer service center, and also enquire about similiar complaints from site.

Possiable tank was low and has picked up the crap and water from the bottom,

As for a tip for all, don't fill up when there droping fuel, :wink:

[Steinzy]

I called caltex yesterday and logged a complaint and they said to have the cars fixed and send them the bill and that they would investigate and if fould at fault reimbuse me for the repair cost

[Steinzy]

Well saw my Rangie at Ricks this morning with what looked like every single fuel component out! 8O

Spoke to Caltex who have ionformed me that since there have been no other reports of bad fuel from that service station that they will have to conduct an investigation which can take 3 weeks as to whether they will reimbuse me for the costs I have incurred to have the damages fixed on both vehicles. :evil:

I have requested to see how many litres of the premium unleaded fuel was sold between the time that we purchased the fuel and the time that the takner refueled the stations tanks.

If anyone can offer me any advice as to what else I should do to ensure that these bastards pay I would be very greatfull.

[FenianEel]

B*stards - doesn't sound promising.

I propose the following:
http://www.zaskarfilms.com/filmPages/../Fi.../petrolfire.wmv (http://www.zaskarfilms.com/filmPages/../Films/petrolfire.wmv)

This would:

1. Get their attention
2. There would be no more "water in the fuel" issues from that servo.
3. Although you may not recoup your costs - there would be some level of personal satisfaction

Just a thought :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Steinzy]

I think that they would have a short list of suspects though!

But definetly up there in the personal satisfaction catagory https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[FenianEel]

Any update from Ricks :?:

[adm333]

River is right on the money here.

Samples of the fuel and proof of where you bought it is your best hope. See if you can get some sort of report from the RACQ verifying where they attended to your vehicle and confirming the symptoms.

It is unlikely they would ever admit to you that they have other complaints from the same site - so don't be too concerned about that.

I was a store, then area manager for BP many years ago and more often than not, if the evidence was reasonably sound then the claim would be paid.

Reputation is everything.

At this stage I would not bring any other factors into it (such as your 4wd contacts etc). You will have more success with the people you are dealing with, if from the outset you remain firm but objective.

And if it was me - I would not mention the small claims court in my initial correspondence. This suggestes that you believe that it may result in an argument. The initial correpondence should be simple - you bought contaminated fuel from their site and you expect them to fix the damage - no argument.

IMHO

Good luck

Dave

[CraigE]

Thats real bad Styeinzy. Lucky it was not a diesel a guy here had a brand new patrol let go last year due to water in the fuel. Cost the servo $12K.
A mate had his HSV do the same with BP premium unleaded. They did pay all costs. Must have been a fair amount of water and this should be substantiated by the amount of fuel you have put in and the fact the X Trail is having the same problem. You will probablly find that their tanks were nearing empty when you filled and sucked in the water sitting on top of the fuel. I would be getting a test sample form the top 2cms of their tank as the water is probablly still in there. Keep an eye out for any work being done on the tanks at this servo to back up your claim.
Best of luck.
:evil: :evil:

[Steinzy]

Thanks for your help Dave, I will change the letter to suit. :wink:

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by CraigE
Keep an eye out for any work being done on the tanks at this servo to back up your claim.
Best of luck.
:evil: :evil:

I would but at the moment both cars are out and it's to friggen hot to walk!

[Quiggers]

Where are you up to with this, Steinzy? It's very interesting in more ways than one. Have you kept the juice from your cars for analysis and if som what was the outcome?

Cheers, GQ

[FenianEel]

Just on updates - this post should be renamed - it's not the Rangie that let you down https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

Well just to let you know quickly - Rick worked magic and had the rangie ready at 4pm on Friday and that left me just enough time to pack and head up to landcruiser mtn park for the weekend.


Keep at lookout for the trop report cos it was a beauty!!! :roll:

[LoadedDisco]

The photos have come out in the gallery and the trip looked like a lot of fun. looking forward to the trip post.

[Gazz]

Just to add a few more comments :-
1) Water is a heavier density than fuel so it will sit on the bottom not the top of the fuel (water is 1.00, premium unleaded about 0.74 so water sinks to the bottom)
2) Caltex will want to sort out the dispute as well, so other members comments of taking the legal threats out are a good first start, you can always use these later on advice from the RACQ (who I recommend you contact as they would have dealt with this on behalf of their other members countless times).
3) The water as mentioned could have come from rain or hosing down the driveway in through the fill or dip caps ie not tightened or no gaskets in the caps (quite common)
The water could also come from a hole in the tank (also quite common if site is old). Water then comes through via the ground water table.
4) Caltex can test the water to determine if via water table or other source (ie presence of Chlorine).
5) The replenishment of fuel into the service station tank would have mixed the water and fuel again and probably not have the consequences for other buyers as they would have got a smaller dose to yours. (this is temporary and the problem will return to other customers once the tank settles)
6) Caltex can pressure test the tank to determine the problem (a faulty tank will not hold pressure).
As mentioned in my previous reply Caltex can also use water finding paste on the bottom of the dipstick. The paste is green and changes to purple if it comes in contact with water. Most service stations will have this paste on site, as a lot do their own regular tests to avoid the problem you have unfortunatley had.
good luck and get some of your RACQ membership value back, by also seeking their help/advice.
Gazz

[stevo68]

Hey mate,

good to see you got to take the rangie on the weekend, the pics look great,

Regards

Stevo

[CraigE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1) Water is a heavier density than fuel so it will sit on the bottom not the top of the fuel (water is 1.00, premium unleaded about 0.74 so water sinks to the bottom[/b][/quote]

Whoops, meant to say bottom 2 cms of the tank.
I should know better, 14 years mineral processing dealing with S.G.s every day.
:oops: :oops:

You are right though most of it will have already dispersed and it is possible they new this by topping up the tank quickly.

[DionM]

[deleted - dupe post] :oops:

[DionM]

What a bugger.

This is why I always get a receipt for fuel purchases.

(It's also why I don't fill up at Caltex/Woolies or BP ... had probs in the past ... Shell or Mobil for me).

Hope it works out okay, don't let em get away with it.

[MickG]

What's the latest Steinzy....Caltex paid up?

Aye, Mick

[Ace]

I dont know how it works at Caltex servos but at the united servo i work at on weekends the owner is required to do the water paste test every day before he faxes the litres sold that day to the United head office. If water is detected in the tanks then untited have to send someone out to deal with the problem. Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

[quote=Ace]I dont know how it works at Caltex servos but at the united servo i work at on weekends the owner is required to do the water paste test every day before he faxes the litres sold that day to the United head office. If water is detected in the tanks then <span style="color:green">untited</span>




<span style="color:blue">this could be fun.....no tits.....</span> 8O

[Steinzy]

Caltex do a water paste test once a week :?

Well the Saga Continues with the only change being I now have a claim number???

The biggest bugger has been the fact that it was my Birthday yesterday and that my partner couldn't afford to buy me anything and we couldn't go out for dinner because we have been left $2000+ short this month while we wait to be reimbursed for the repairs https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Outlaw]

Sorry to here buddy... but on the other hand... Happy Birthday for yesterday https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[FenianEel]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK][quote=Ace]I dont know how it works at Caltex servos but at the united servo i work at on weekends the owner is required to do the water paste test every day before he faxes the litres sold that day to the United head office. If water is detected in the tanks then <span style="color:green">untited</span>




<span style="color:blue">this could be fun.....no t*ts.....</span>

Are you guys trying men run the company or it's a mans job https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by Outlaw
Sorry to here buddy... but on the other hand... Happy Birthday for yesterday https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Thanks Mate :wink: