Blown Engine Options - TDV6 MY08 D3

[JND72]

After owning our D3 from new (MY08 SE) and covering just on 220,000km the TDV6 engine has recently destroyed itself. The pulley on the oil pump failed, belt slipped and no more forward motion.

Car has been serviced religiously at specialists in Brisbane, but I am now in a quandary with what to do with the car.

Seems like the Territory engine is the only practical option, but I've been given estimates of around $12-14k +/- to do this. Not a small amount of money. I see you can buy a brand new crate motor on eBay for $8K - has anyone bought one of these? Anyone know of a cheaper new option? Otherwise it's wait and see what comes up from wreckers, but they come with a lot of unknowns for not a lot less.

I'm really weighing up fixing the car and wearing the cost, or walking away from it as is.

What would it be worth as is? A few months ago we'd just had the transmission fully rebuilt, so have recently sunk about $10K fixing this, new steering rack and LCA etc. Just not sure I can keep throwing money at it.

Looking at the positives
If I replace the engine I'd end up with a D3 with 0 km on engine, and a fully rebuilt transmission. This should give another 10+ years of motoring. Would it be worth anymore than a D3 with similar km's though? I'd hope so, but not sure.

Downside is I could sink a lot of $ into the car, and it not worth anymore than what I'm about to spend on it.

Would appreciate any input, or hear from people who have done the transplant and what the cost turned out.

We have another Disco, so won't be without a LR.

Justin

[letherm]

Hi Justin.

Sorry to hear this has happened. At least there are positive stories on the forum about success in replacing the engine so that's encouraging.

I suppose it boils down to whether you see the money you've already spent and would have to spend as similar to buying a "new" second hand car. You know it's history already and as you've said it would be like starting from scratch with a new engine so hopefully a long while before any other problems are likely crop up. You could buy another vehicle and have the same sort of issues you've had again. At least with the existing one you know the major components are new. The only caveat would be, are there any other components that are known to be at risk and would the engine failing have compromised the new transmission.

Hard call to make and I can fully understand the sense of pouring good money after bad. The last car I had (Pajero NM) cost me about $8500 in the last year. I had a gearbox die and all that was available was a 2nd hand unit. Couldn't get a new one or a reconditioned one. The upside was that it pushed me to buy a new D4 HSE, silver lining to the cloud at the time[smilebigeye]. But, it sure hurt knowing I'd virtually thrown the repair money away. Only got $5000 trade as it was a petrol model with a lot of mileage.

Hope it all turns out well.

Martin

[PerthDisco]

Very unfortunate but at least the cause is known regarding the oil pump housing which I assume they did not update on yours when the timing belt was done?

Triumph Spares have so many wrecked Discos I can't imagine there is a fair choice there?

Initially low km Territory engines were abundant and cheap. What happened?

[101RRS]

Been talking to a Tasmanian on another forum with a 07 D3 - that has just done his belts but did not do the oil pump - he says his local Tassie indies have never seen any failure (he should have seen Justin) so did not do the oil pump.

He might be lucky. I did not risk it when I had my belts done in May I forked out the $170 a new oil pump and my indie was in full agreement.

Garry

[PerthDisco]

$170 v $10,000 I'd take that bet any day and I had to force my guy to change it also.

[Milton477]

Not an easy decision but do not confuse what the vehicle is worth in $ with what the vehicle is worth to you.
A 12k fix is far cheaper than than a new vehicle & considering what you have already spent, you have lots of new bits on the vehicle already.
Adding a new engine completes all the expensive bit replacement.

Like you said, with a new engine, it should be good for another 10 years.
Good luck with your decision.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

crate engine.
just do it.
talk to us again in ten years.
:BigThumb:

[Tins]

Very unfortunate but at least the cause is known regarding the oil pump housing which I assume they did not update on yours when the timing belt was done?

Triumph Spares have so many wrecked Discos I can't imagine there is a fair choice there?

Initially low km Territory engines were abundant and cheap. What happened?

They're still around: Ford Territory SZ MKII 2014 , 2.7L Turbo Diesel Engine LOW KM | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-Territory-SZ-MKII-2014-2-7L-Turbo-Diesel-Engine-LOW-KM-/322479099994?hash=item4b1540905a:g:neQAAOSwxH1UKno H)

Depends what you call cheap, I guess.

[winaje]

They're still around: Ford Territory SZ MKII 2014 , 2.7L Turbo Diesel Engine LOW KM | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-Territory-SZ-MKII-2014-2-7L-Turbo-Diesel-Engine-LOW-KM-/322479099994?hash=item4b1540905a:g:neQAAOSwxH1UKno H)

Depends what you call cheap, I guess.

This is where I bought my Territory engine. I can personally vouch for this guy, he's legit. $12-14k is ridiculous, its a 2 day job in a workshop. Crate motors are 8k from rovacraft afaik. Link to my thread on doing the replacement is in my signature.

Feel free to PM me for my number if you want to call for a chat.

[crawal]

your can always get these
2016 Ford Territory - Pickles Auctions Australia (https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-salvage/item/-/details/CP-02-16--Ford--Territory--Wagon/252487247)

[BusinessConnected]

After owning our D3 from new (MY08 SE) and covering just on 220,000km the TDV6 engine has recently destroyed itself. The pulley on the oil pump failed, belt slipped and no more forward motion.

Car has been serviced religiously at specialists in Brisbane, but I am now in a quandary with what to do with the car.

Seems like the Territory engine is the only practical option, but I've been given estimates of around $12-14k +/- to do this. Not a small amount of money. I see you can buy a brand new crate motor on eBay for $8K - has anyone bought one of these? Anyone know of a cheaper new option? Otherwise it's wait and see what comes up from wreckers, but they come with a lot of unknowns for not a lot less.

I'm really weighing up fixing the car and wearing the cost, or walking away from it as is.

What would it be worth as is? A few months ago we'd just had the transmission fully rebuilt, so have recently sunk about $10K fixing this, new steering rack and LCA etc. Just not sure I can keep throwing money at it.

Looking at the positives
If I replace the engine I'd end up with a D3 with 0 km on engine, and a fully rebuilt transmission. This should give another 10+ years of motoring. Would it be worth anymore than a D3 with similar km's though? I'd hope so, but not sure.

Downside is I could sink a lot of $ into the car, and it not worth anymore than what I'm about to spend on it.

Would appreciate any input, or hear from people who have done the transplant and what the cost turned out.

We have another Disco, so won't be without a LR.

Justin

Call around some various Ford Wreckers... You should be able to pickup an Engine with 50,000km or Less for around $3500.
Fitting it should cost around $3000-4000 from when I did my two..

You're then left with a Near New Fuel Pump, Near New Injectors and the Proper Thicker Oil Pump Housing... Another 200+ Kays of trouble free Disco 3 Engine ;)

[vbrab]

I suggest you check specs the "in crate" online option, it might just be a rebuild. (No new pistons and liners, no new valves, no new injectors).
I think it is a "rebuilt" engine and not a "reconditioned" or "new" engine", that was some of the specs I saw when looking and there were some $7K "new' motors online, but reading down they were rebuilds with a short warranty.
"rebuilds" on diesel engines can be very short lived.

Have done the replace on my D3 with low K Territory motor and with that you get the low K injectors, and all the low k head mechanicals.
It was about $12k all up. $4K for a 40K motor and $8k to have it fitted (evidently needed a new radiator, some fan bearings and EGR blanking set up (which means it now runs very cool).
I would rate a low K Territory motor ahead of a "rebuilt" diesel at $7k.
just try and check the history of the Territory (make sure it wasn't drowned or rolled (and ran upside down for example).

[Richard Nunn]

Hello Justin,
Way back in August 2017, I noticed a thread from Justin regarding a failed oil pump resulting in a blown engine.
Lo and Behold, I have the exact same problem now with my 2006 TDV6, L320 Range Rover Sport, even down to having the transmission rebuilt six weeks prior to this happening.
As we live close to Brisbane as well. I would really like to know the outcome, especially where the engine was sourced and who carried out the work and any on-going problems.
I know it's a long shot as the original thread is so old.
Here's hoping.
Dick Nunn.

[loanrangie]

Hello Justin,
Way back in August 2017, I noticed a thread from Justin regarding a failed oil pump resulting in a blown engine.
Lo and Behold, I have the exact same problem now with my 2006 TDV6, L320 Range Rover Sport, even down to having the transmission rebuilt six weeks prior to this happening.
As we live close to Brisbane as well. I would really like to know the outcome, especially where the engine was sourced and who carried out the work and any on-going problems.
I know it's a long shot as the original thread is so old.
Here's hoping.
Dick Nunn.

Cheapest option is to get a Territory engine which cam be found for around $1500 + with plenty going for $2500, then swap over the LR specific parts and fit.

[PeterOZ]

Been talking to a Tasmanian on another forum with a 07 D3 - that has just done his belts but did not do the oil pump - he says his local Tassie indies have never seen any failure (he should have seen Justin) so did not do the oil pump.

He might be lucky. I did not risk it when I had my belts done in May I forked out the $170 a new oil pump and my indie was in full agreement.

Garry

that is what my ex LR indie told me when I had belts done on mine, then a few months later the oil pump pully thing failed. $13k later for a territory donk fitted