historic rego

[MACKA]

I tried to put my 2a LR with holden motor from full rego to historic rego and the RMS refused to do it said i needed engineers cert. has anyone had this problem

[Mick_Marsh]

When was the conversion done and who did it?

[Homestar]

Yes, it will depend on if it as been previously registered with that engine - and more importantly if it's had the current engine number on the system. While it is currently on full rego, they may not have any details of that engine as it may have been done years ago and the rego authority never notified.

If it has been, then you may have just come up against someone who has no idea - there's plenty of them out there.

Check your rego papers to see I feel the engine number matches.

[Dinty]

Also different states have differing rules, I'm not 100% certain but I think In NSW the vehicle has to std, good luck anyway cheers Dennis

[MACKA]

Also different states have differing rules, I'm not 100% certain but I think In NSW the vehicle has to std, good luck anyway cheers Dennis

full rego has the holden engine number. been regoed with holen for a few years

[Mick_Marsh]

full rego has the holden engine number. been regoed with holen for a few years
Shouldn't need engineering, then.
Dinty has a valid point. I know that is the case in SA.

[Larry]

Also different states have differing rules, I'm not 100% certain but I think In NSW the vehicle has to std, good luck anyway cheers Dennis

I know of a Series 2a with a holden motor on historic plates in NSW.
Sounds like the RMS person needs some training.[bighmmm]

[Homestar]

I know of a Series 2a with a holden motor on historic plates in NSW.
Sounds like the RMS person needs some training.[bighmmm]

Could well be the case....

[alan48]

Hi,
my S1 ute had a 175 Holden and I put it onto Historic plates with no issues at all as it had been previously regoed on full plates with the Holden motor so it was already in the system--if so it should be no issue and no need for eng approval. There are hundreds of Holden engined LR's in every state.
Alan[smilebigeye]

[Scouse]

I know of a Series 2a with a holden motor on historic plates in NSW.
Sounds like the RMS person needs some training.[bighmmm]It might not be on H plates soon though if the CMC find out. They're supposedly clamping down on 'period modifications' & asking that they go onto the CVS (modified scheme).

[67hardtop]

My s3 has a holden engine and is now on historic rego in SA. Had no probs. Was originally a NSW vehicle with the holden fitted and was SA regoed 20 yrs ago as such. Now classified as a period modified historic vehicle. Was originally a rover 6 cyl.

Cheers Rod

[Rob king]

Also different states have differing rules, I'm not 100% certain but I think In NSW the vehicle has to std, good luck anyway cheers Dennis

I just put my series III on H plates.
In NSW it has to be original and un modified to qualify. Several other cars at my club are in the modified category for different engines. Differences in exhaust pipes and wheels can apparently even be a problem. I wonder where they'll find all these 'experts'.. Rob.

[numpty]

NSW has now introduced "classic" rego as well and this caters for modified vehicles of 30 + years.

[101RRS]

NSW RTA had a process where common approved modifications that used kits did not require individual engineering as the mod had blanket RTA approval. Two that I know of were 2" lift kits for Subarus and putting in Holden 6 cylinder engines in Landrovers. With the Landies the only oversight that was required was for the new engine and engine number to be sighted to amend records.

This process certainly was in place up to the late 80s so if the subject vehicle has been registered with the Holden engine in it then it was most likely done via this process. As such does not require engineering as it has blanket engineering approval when first done.

As far as Historic rego is concerned - period modifications to the vehicle are permitted and it has been determined that as the Holden conversion was common at the time it is considered by authorities to be a period modification. However individual clubs can determine under their own authority what additional requirements they require to be met. If your Club does not allow the Holden engine as a period modification then I would find a club that does.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

NSW RTA had a process where common approved modifications that used kits did not require individual engineering as the mod had blanket RTA approval. Two that I know of were 2" lift kits for Subarus and putting in Holden 6 cylinder engines in Landrovers. With the Landies the only oversight that was required was for the new engine and engine number to be sighted to amend records.

This process certainly was in place up to the late 80s so if the subject vehicle has been registered with the Holden engine in it then it was most likely done via this process. As such does not require engineering as it has blanket engineering approval when first done.

As far as Historic rego is concerned - period modifications to the vehicle are permitted and it has been determined that as the Holden conversion was common at the time it is considered by authorities to be a period modification. However individual clubs can determine under their own authority what additional requirements they require to be met. If your Club does not allow the Holden engine as a period modification then I would find a club that does.

Garry

It would appear the problem is an individual in RMS (the registration authority), not the club.

[Dinty]

Well, like I said I don't know everything, maybe the RMS needs a swift kick up it's collective rear and all states had the same rules, wouldn't have a clue who you would need to see, cheers dennis
ps same applies to replica & real firearms, so much for all the hype "national Uniform laws" what B/S cheers

[alan48]

Hi,
what Gary says is completely correct as in the old days you could install the Holden yourself and it was classed as a'type approved' conversion with no need for eng reports as it was such a simple and very common conversion. So if it has had previous rego that is all you need and no need to join a classic type club--it is a period and approved modification--in fact it is sometimes hard to find a non Holden engined LR in the country. I was even told that one LR dealer in the country would actually offer to do the conversion on a brand new vehicle such was the demand from farmers.

I am currently in the process of putting my stage one converted ambulance/camper onto classic rego (instead of simply historic) due to significant mods but it is easy to do but yes eng certs needed--which I have.
Alan

[Scouse]

As far as Historic rego is concerned - period modifications to the vehicle are permitted and it has been determined that as the Holden conversion was common at the time it is considered by authorities to be a period modification. However individual clubs can determine under their own authority what additional requirements they require to be met. If your Club does not allow the Holden engine as a period modification then I would find a club that does.

GarryFrom a recent CMC report:

There are now in excess of 600 vehicles which have taken up the CVS. In this regard, there has been some misinformation floating around about s...o-called "period modifications". Period modifications are unacceptable on the historic scheme (HVS) for unmodified cars. The word "modifications" does not apply at all with HVS (Historic Vehicle Scheme) vehicles. The correct terminology is "period options and accessories" which are at the discretion of the Club. It's good practice for your club to verify (with documentation if possible) what are genuine "period options and accessories" and to keep the information on file.
You can rest assured that, since the movement now has the CVS (Classic Vehicle Scheme) for modified vehicles, and following a period of grace, the RMS will be cracking down on vehicles which are illegally using the HVS for modified vehicles, and sanctions will apply. If you are able to identify any of these vehicles, and particularly which club they belong to, the CMC may be able to help sort them out. If a vehicle has been on full NSW registration, the new CVS (Classic Vehicle Scheme) for modified vehicles only requires a Blue Slip not necessarily an Engineers Certificate, which is only required for modifications outside the guidelines set out by the RMS in their VSI-06 Modifications paper..

[Bigbjorn]

You could always have a bit of a cheat by painting the Holden in LR engine colour and stamping the LR engine no. on it. I know this was done on at least three occasions about 1980 when installing Chrysler Hemi 6's in Series III LR's. The Holden was an approved conversion in Qld. but the Hemi was not (too big in capacity). So paint the Hemi Holden Engine Red and hie thee off to Rare Spares for a set of Holden engine decals, carefully remove the Chrysler engine no. and stamp Holden one from a busted engine that won't go back into service.

[Classic88]

UK has a much better approach to classic vehicles which actually encourages their use, maintenance and restoration. If a car is pre-1973 (this was initially supposed to be a rolling 25-year cutoff but that was changed) than it qualifies for classic status and the road tax is zero. Classic insurance is also much cheaper and comprehensive. Just a shame that the weather makes them all rust to pieces. [bighmmm]

[flashman]

The LROC Sydney considers Holden engines to be a period mod.
Join the club and we can get you sorted.
I am the Historic Vehicle Coordinator for said club.

[Scouse]

The LROC Sydney considers Holden engines to be a period mod.
Join the club and we can get you sorted.
I am the Historic Vehicle Coordinator for said club.The problem is that 'period modifications' aren't mentioned anywhere. It's 'period accessories & options'.

From here:
Historic vehicles - Get a NSW registration - Registration - Roads - Roads and Maritime Services (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/index.html)
must be as close to original condition as possible, with no modifications except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired

As I posted, there's a misconception that period modifications are allowed on NSW H plates.

[flashman]

We have several Holden engined 2a,s registered with the LROC mostly on the 60 day scheme.
There seems to be some confusion regarding historic reg in NSW.
To get concessional historic reg you have to be a member of a club registered with the CMC.
The RMS leaves it up to the club to decide weather or not a vehicle is eligible. The club can issue there own roadworthy certificate if required . No pink slip or blue slip required.
We at the LROC however, require a pink slip only because we consider there is no one in the club qualified to check vehicle roadworthiness.
There is a new CVS (Classic Vehicle Scheme) for modified vehicles which we at the LROC will apply to heavily modified 30 year old Range Rovers and Counties. Some folks have been reading the guidelines and coming to the wrong conclusions.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Previously in NSW it was up to particular clubs to make rules about what modifications would be acceptable under Historic Conditional Registration. The Land Rover Owners Club Sydney used a memorandum between the Bush Council and the RTA for commercial vehicles that allowed "engine replacements that were acceptable to authorities at the time to be retained in the restoration" given that Holden engine replacements in Land Rovers were a type approval in the 1980s the LROC Sydney would therefore allow the replacements for club vehicles on Historic rego. However since the advent of the Classic Vehicle Scheme which caters for modified vehicles the LROC Sydney is requiring new applications to take up the CVS and we are in the process of transitioning modified club vehicles from the HCRS to the CVS.

The CVS requires blue slips and if necessary engineers certificates for modified vehicles.

[mick88]

There must be almost as many series Land Rovers out there with non standard engines as there are with original ones.
The majority that have been converted would have had the engine conversion for most of their life.

Cheers, Mick.

[nickcundy]

G’day Macka, I have a 2a 109 with a Holden 186. Got it on historic rego late last year. It’s fantastic knowing that the current expiry runs out at the end of 2020, and very cheap too.

I had no luck with the Land Rover club - despite the relaxed rules recently implemented in south australia (accounting for the many modifications older vehicles have accumulated). I have gone with a different car club - they are fantastic.

Will be swapping to Shannon’s insurance too. They are offering $168/year for comprehensive. I have to send it photos etc and they historic rego is part of the deal.

Hope this helps.

Nick