Y62 patrol

[rar110]

Keeping the 110 is a difficult argument for me when we/I do probably 500km per year in it.

[justinc]

So looking at the $$ we will have to sell both the rangie and the Honda Accord, and a few other things to make it happen. Its certainly a big decision so going to think for a while..
I DO love the rangie😣😣😣

Jc

[Vern]

Just had a look over the y62 and a few other cars.
Compared it with the ford ranger, D5, 200 series, 79 series dc.

Think i am sold on this beast. Sooo much room. Much better than what toyota had to offer.
And less gimmicky than the d5.

Now to catch up with my wife sometime and go for a test drive.

[grey_ghost]

Any news JC....?

[Vern]

Any news JC....?There is, you may find out this weekend[emoji6]

[justinc]

Decision is made,
Sticking with an l322... heart and head are still at odds but i DO love my rangies 😣

[justinc]

The reasons were many and varied. It was a very close call too. The Nissan has a fantastic engine and drivetrain, it rides like no other nissan i have ever driven and is very comfortable. But, there are some things that can't be infused. I can't even put a finger On it except that those that have driven and towed with an l322 will just 'know'.

There were some other practical differences such as needing to fit coilrite airbags before i could tow anything with a ball weight over 150kg, no trailer stability control/ sway control programs, average headlamps and reasonable but not outstanding sound system. I was not 100% certain but the braking seemed adequate, not excellent.

I would pick one of these over a lc200 anyday tjough. But for now I'm going to stick with the LR product.

Jc☺

[1nando]

Update;

Contacted ARB about installing a bull bar, uhf and dual battery setup. I was about to pull the trigger when i found out the following;

The Ti and Ti-L model arent well suited to having a bull bar fitted. You see these 2 models come out with Nissans HMBC system and as a result you cant fit HD springs in the front to compensate for potential sag. Guys on the forum report little sag of around 10-15mm but having a tendancy to hit the bump stops offroad. The only way to negate the sag is to install 4x4ontraks or Radflos 2 inch lift suspesion which automatically voids your warranty according to Nissan, and to Nissans defense rightly so as this tampers with the HMBC system . This only affects the front as you could install airbags in the rear if u wanted.

The HMBC system is great as it makes the IFS suspension act like a live axels but is very difficult to modify and as a result im not keen to touch it. Also i like the fact that its hydraulic and not air as i see too many air leaks on our trucks at work. The hydraulic system seems to be bullet proof.

So after much thought about my mods and carefully thinking them through I've decided on the following;

No bull bar
33 inch bfg ko2
Rock slider side steps
Uhf
Roof rack with mounted spotties
Dual battery setup.

This setup will be perfect for my intended purpose for the vehicle which is camping and touring. Yes id prefer the bull bar but i can live without it. To be fair i hate driving at night and avoid it like the plague and touch wood have never had a frontal impact or even a near miss.

Ill post some pics as i get some things done.

Ps ive now clicked over 9300kms in 2 1/2 months and have never reset my fuel usage since the day i got it and my average for those kms has been 13.6 ltrs/100kms.
Again for a 3 ton beast (have 4wd gear and other stuff in it) with power and comfort to boot its more than respectable.

[Tombie]

Now you’ve gone and done it....

[1nando]

Now you’ve gone and done it....What do u mean??

[justinc]

What do u mean??

... you'll hit a roo now that you have said that , mike meant i think...

[1nando]

... you'll hit a roo now that you have said that , mike meant i think...Ooohh......****!

Straight over my head. Thanks JC

[Vern]

Looks like i have to do some research as to what can and can't be done to these, and what year is best suited for mods

[scarry]

Now you’ve gone and done it....

Like 1nando,i hate driving at night in the country.

I recon i havent planned to do any highway night driving in the country for the last 20yrs,at least.

Then out on the property SWMBO cut herself very badly late one arvo.

High speed run,at dusk, to the local hospital which wasn't just around the corner.

I recon we saw at least 100 roos on the run in,and the one i didn't see,got hit[bigsad]


Luckily SWMBO screamed,i was hard on the anchors,which washed off heaps of speed,and minimised the damage.

Somehow the roo got thrown to the side,and didn't go under the vehicle or up onto the bonnet.

If it wasn't for the bar,the vehicle would have been badly damaged and it probably would have been a show stopper.

[1nando]

Looks like i have to do some research as to what can and can't be done to these, and what year is best suited for modsST-L is best suited to suspension mods but the TI and TI-L have the hmbc system which the st-l does not. In my opinion the hmbc system is worth the compromise of not having a bull bar. In saying that you could install a bull bar and see how u like it as many have on the patrol forum. I personally am willing to go without it.

I think one of the best attributes of the y62 is the lack of need for power improvements. Where many spend thousands on chips/remaps, exhausts, snorkels, etc this money can go to other mods. The drivetrain is literally bullet proof; guys are running 35s on standard running gear, some of them supercharged and thrashing them hard with no driveline breakages. The drive train is over engineered apparently. This does not supprise me as Nissan has proved in many models including the patrol and skyline that driveline issues arent really an issue.

Clearance is not an issue. With 33s standard and 272mm of body clearance it smashes the 200 series clearance of 230mm. Also has better approach, departue and traverse angles.
Plenty of 12v outlets for accessories also.

What could be more relaible than a v8 petrol with no dpf, egr, adblue, turbo, intercooler or anything else that usually belongs on a diesel going wrong?

Despite what JC said about towing the fact is i havent towed so cant pass judgement or advice however the brakes are fantastic. They do have a soft feel but believe me if you put your foot down the thing pulls up quick for a 3 ton beast.

The TC is the best ive ever witnessed, again no suprise as nissan built the gtr system and its second to none.

Overall its a platform that makes sense. You just have to accept that yes it will chew more fuel but in the long run will be cheaper to run as they are extremely reliable. These things dont have anything go wrong and as a result you will end up spending all your free time on aulro as there is nothing to look at in the y62 patrol forum section, but the best part;

Having 200 series give it some next to you and blowing them away. Literally. Then rocking up to the set of lights and the bloke tucking in behind you cause you just murdered his ego [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Vern]

Thats handy to know about the st-l.
When i was looking at the gen4 one today, it seemed quite low imho. Like it needed bigger tyres and a bit of a lift.

Bullbar is essential for me.

Also i did read somewhere that the gen3 had improved vvt? This giving it better economy. I don't know what this is about.

[1nando]

Thats handy to know about the st-l.
When i was looking at the gen4 one today, it seemed quite low imho. Like it needed bigger tyres and a bit of a lift.

Bullbar is essential for me.

Also i did read somewhere that the gen3 had improved vvt? This giving it better economy. I don't know what this is about.Ive got the series 4. The improved vvt improves urban economy by 0.01, not very noticeable however sitting at 110km on the free way i can sit on 9ltrs/100 no issue.

The stl has been discontinued.

I think the reason they look low is cause they are so bloody big. It isnt until you park it next to a lifted 4wd that you realise how big they are. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/607.jpg

[justinc]

I thimk my brake comments were because i was comparing it to my brembos...😣😅.

Like i said totally overengineered and a lc200 killer😎.

Jc

[Vern]

Am aware the st-l is discontinued. Not sure if we do go down this path whether we go low k secondhand or new. As i no longer work for myself, its now no longer a tax write off.

I will be looking at something easy to mod is all.

[rar110]

Update;

Contacted ARB about installing a bull bar, uhf and dual battery setup. I was about to pull the trigger when i found out the following;

The Ti and Ti-L model arent well suited to having a bull bar fitted. You see these 2 models come out with Nissans HMBC system and as a result you cant fit HD springs in the front to compensate for potential sag. Guys on the forum report little sag of around 10-15mm but having a tendancy to hit the bump stops offroad. The only way to negate the sag is to install 4x4ontraks or Radflos 2 inch lift suspesion which automatically voids your warranty according to Nissan, and to Nissans defense rightly so as this tampers with the HMBC system . This only affects the front as you could install airbags in the rear if u wanted.

The HMBC system is great as it makes the IFS suspension act like a live axels but is very difficult to modify and as a result im not keen to touch it. Also i like the fact that its hydraulic and not air as i see too many air leaks on our trucks at work. The hydraulic system seems to be bullet proof.

So after much thought about my mods and carefully thinking them through I've decided on the following;

No bull bar
33 inch bfg ko2
Rock slider side steps
Uhf
Roof rack with mounted spotties
Dual battery setup.

This setup will be perfect for my intended purpose for the vehicle which is camping and touring. Yes id prefer the bull bar but i can live without it. To be fair i hate driving at night and avoid it like the plague and touch wood have never had a frontal impact or even a near miss.

Ill post some pics as i get some things done.

Ps ive now clicked over 9300kms in 2 1/2 months and have never reset my fuel usage since the day i got it and my average for those kms has been 13.6 ltrs/100kms.
Again for a 3 ton beast (have 4wd gear and other stuff in it) with power and comfort to boot its more than respectable.

My Perentie has front and side bars but is never used for touring anymore. My L322 is the workhorse for regular family trips and holidays and no bar work. I don’t drive at early morning, dusk or dark unless it’s a roo free zone ie M1 btw Coolangatta to sunny coast.

[justinc]

My Perentie has front and side bars but is never used for touring anymore. My L322 is the workhorse for regular family trips and holidays and no bar work. I don’t drive at early morning, dusk or dark unless it’s a roo free zone ie M1 btw Coolangatta to sunny coast.

Same. I used to cannonball from Perth to Coral Bay , Exmouth or Shark Bay to go fishing for the weekend in my youth... drums of fuel in the back of the 308 WB ute and a heavy right foot. Leave after work friday and was hauling in Big Golden Trevally or Queenies by lunchtime Saturday.... saw plenty of wildlife but only a few very minor taps but happy the steel 4 poster on the front and Bosch Bull250 driving lamps did their job. Wouldn't attempt such behaviour nowadays...😮

[rammypluge]

I lived in the country for a while with a 2wd with no bar and had a few roo hits, but none were in the bullbar zone so it wouldnt have helped.

I put a bar on my current vehicle, and two roos have succumed to the bar.

Next time i will go for hoops as well.

[1nando]

Watch all the way to the end. :

Warning; if you own a d4 be prepared to be impressed or upset.


Towing LIKE A BOSS! Nissan Patrol Y62 up hill with 2.8t - YouTube (https://youtu.be/x-H3HFnl0-Y)

[Geedublya]

One of the things that turned me off the Y62 was a few reviews that it wasn't as stable as the 200 series. Lack of towing software is a concern as well.

Compared to the V8 D4 it had a bit over 20kw and 50nm. So not so much. My D4 can accelerate to 120km/h towing my Jayco at about 2.8T up the Mooney Mooney bridge hill southbound. That is 6000 rpm in 4th but changing to 5th doesn't result in more acceleration.

The D4 is very stable and I haven't found a situation where it has lacking in power or torque yet. I'll how the RRS in the TDV8 or SCV8 goes soon. I think they may be better than the D4 with a longer wheelbase and better suspension and both have considerably more torque than the Y62,

[1nando]

One of the things that turned me off the Y62 was a few reviews that it wasn't as stable as the 200 series. Lack of towing software is a concern as well.

Compared to the V8 D4 it had a bit over 20kw and 50nm. So not so much. My D4 can accelerate to 120km/h towing my Jayco at about 2.8T up the Mooney Mooney bridge hill southbound. That is 6000 rpm in 4th but changing to 5th doesn't result in more acceleration.

The D4 is very stable and I haven't found a situation where it has lacking in power or torque yet. I'll how the RRS in the TDV8 or SCV8 goes soon. I think they may be better than the D4 with a longer wheelbase and better suspension and both have considerably more torque than the Y62,The y62 has a very soft rear end and as a result heavy towing requires air bags to be fitted to level the vehcile. Once fitted sway isnt an issue at all apparently especially on the Ti amd Ti-L models with the HMBC suspension.

As for torque; a vehcile with greater HP overall and correct gearing will always tow and pull a load faster than a vehicle with less HP and more torque. Watch the video;
Torque Is NOT How Far You Move The Wall - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7eZyXp1i4GU)

Also the 200 makes 90nm more than the patrol but the patrols extra 100hp was able to pull a 3 ton van up the same hill and increase speed without issue. Hp is the rate at which work is done and torque is the force with which its done so 100 more hp with a deficit of 90nm still make it a more powerful tow vehcile.

Granted fuel economy goes up very quickly.
I think its a very impressive result, one a lot of people wouldnt expect

[Geedublya]

My post was more aimed at your comments on the D4 owners being impressed/upset. I have my doubts if there will be that much difference between the Y62 and my D4 towing and I suspect the D4 might be the better tow vehicle overall due to the air suspension and sway mitigation software.

In my experience the hill shown in the video wouldn't be a problem for the D4 to maintain speed or even accelerate towing the same weight.

[justinc]

😣😣.
I suspect also that the d4 possibly wasn't 'flat to the boards' though...
So The total package of the L322 is what swayed me in the end. I have no issue at all with that glorious 5.6 and the transmission in the nissan they are fantastic... but towing a big heavy full height van the stability control programs, sway assist and sweet suspension of the rangie is far superior. Not going to get into the fuel debate as a comparison with a 5.0SC rangie i would suspect would actually use more anyway...

[Vern]

My reasoning for looking at the y62 is Nissan! Haven't heard any horror stories really, as apposed to all things rover. I really don't want to purchase a late model l322 then have to put an auto in it.
Also, i am only towing around 1t of campertrailer, so the towing system is less critical.
Also i love how spacious the nissan is, it reminds me a lot of my LSE[emoji4]

[Tombie]

Watch all the way to the end. :

Warning; if you own a d4 be prepared to be impressed or upset.


Towing LIKE A BOSS! Nissan Patrol Y62 up hill with 2.8t - YouTube (https://youtu.be/x-H3HFnl0-Y)

Sorry mate. That video just shows he’s a flog.

That Disco didn’t accelerate. He just kept his pace.

I haven’t found a hill yet I can’t hold my speed up towing... and I sure don’t chew the fuel at the rate he was doing that.


Enjoy your vehicle... but those sort of videos are just naff.

[scarry]

Hit that Toowoomba range going west,with a 3T van in tow, and i don't think the speed will be held for long,even if you want to flog the absolute ring out of the tow vehicle.

Correct, that vid means **** all...

[1nando]

Sorry mate. That video just shows he’s a flog.

That Disco didn’t accelerate. He just kept his pace.

I haven’t found a hill yet I can’t hold my speed up towing... and I sure don’t chew the fuel at the rate he was doing that.


Enjoy your vehicle... but those sort of videos are just naff.Your probably right but correct me if im wrong but the HSE has 600nm and 180kw?

Assuming those figures are correct then the Patrol has 40nm less but 120kw more; therefore if both vehicles were going up a steep hill towing the same size trailer then its a fact that the Patrol will pull a lot harder everytime. Im not trying to put down the disco 4 in anyway, its a great car and if land rover had a new one to sell at the right price at the time of me purchasing i would have bought one but unfortunately they went to the d5 and that was it for me.

Your right on the consumption, yes it will be sky high during that foot to the floor thrashing heavily loaded up a hill compared to the d4. A petrols consumption to do the same or more work will always be higher but over time i think the gap of running each vehicle closes. A naturally aspirated v8 petrol doesnt really have that much that can go wrong. A turbo, injectors or pump failure over time in a diesel would pretty much make the running costs a lot closer than what people claim and often forget about.

As for towing software; i agree that its great however the patrol weighs 200kg more and has a longer wheel base so all it really needs is air bags in the rear. Is the d4 better at towing? I dont know cause i havent towed with it and i havent towed with the patrol. If the d4 is better at towing is the patrol that much worse? I doubt it cause its a extremely large and solid platform.

In the US they absolutely love the 5.6 gas in the titan and armada (patrol). They are also very highly rated for towing.

Anyway hopefully the next defender is good and sorted in 5 years so when the patrol lease expires i can get back into a defender [emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]

Ps hes almost at 7000GCM during that video

[Eevo]

Your probably right but correct me if im wrong but the HSE has 600nm and 180kw?

Assuming those figures are correct then the Patrol has 40nm less but 120kw more; therefore if both vehicles were going up a steep hill towing the same size trailer then its a fact that the Patrol will pull a lot harder everytime


err, can you explain that one for me please.

[Tombie]

They claimed much the same with the D4 vs the Toyota V8. On paper the D4 doesn’t have it.

In the real world the D4 flogs the 200..

One thing I would like to see is the dyno figures from both D4 and Y62..
More about driveline losses and how the power is put down vs outright paper figures.

I’ve driven the Y62 and it’s a nice bus...

[bee utey]

err, can you explain that one for me please.

Quite simple really, the Patrol will rev harder and therefore pull harder so long as you rev the tits off it. [biggrin]

[Eevo]

Quite simple really, the Patrol will rev harder and therefore pull harder so long as you rev the tits off it. [biggrin]

when it comes to towing, aka weight, i thought torque was king.

the kw would be useful for getting a run up, assuming you can get one and willing to break the speed limit

[bee utey]

when it comes to towing, aka weight, i thought torque was king.

the kw would be useful for getting a run up, assuming you can get one and willing to break the speed limit

In consistent SI units, torque multiplied by revs equals power. Example: a torque wrench can produce more torque than your engine yet develop no power as the revs are zero.

Practically speaking, you have a gearbox which is a torque multiplier. Say you are driving foot-to-the-floor at your torque peak in direct drive (=4th in a D2). Then change down to a 2:1 reduction gear (maybe 2nd gear) You are no longer at the torque peak but say have 20% less torque available from the engine so the output of the gearbox is 1.6 times peak engine torque. Your engine is therefore outputting 1.6 times the power (80% x 2) as it did at the torque peak. Therefore it goes that much harder. Torque drops off quite rapidly at higher revs as the engine runs out of breath or it is limited by the ECU. What accelerates the car is torque at the wheels which is a multiple of the available engine torque depending on transfer ratio, gear chosen and friction losses.

[Tombie]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/693.jpg

[Eevo]

so ur saying the more power = larger rev range = can drop back a gear and get more torque by a better gear ratio?

[uninformed]

hahaha I love it! its like your arguing over 8 inches and bigger .... whos bloody complaining with any of these. Go drive a Tdi defender towing same vans.

I could literally watch the grass growing as driving up Cunningsham Gap

All top vehicles. Id be scared to own the RR but dont have the knowledge/skill JC has.

[Eevo]

8 inches.. speak for yourself. 10 inches here.

[1nando]

They claimed much the same with the D4 vs the Toyota V8. On paper the D4 doesn’t have it.

In the real world the D4 flogs the 200..

One thing I would like to see is the dyno figures from both D4 and Y62..
More about driveline losses and how the power is put down vs outright paper figures.

I’ve driven the Y62 and it’s a nice bus...Harrop developed a supercharger kit for the y62. They did a base line chasis run before any mods and the car produces 230kw at the wheels and 454nm. Id imagine they'd want rhat number to look as low as possible to make there gains look good so ill take it as being a accurate dyno figure.

Nissan Patrol Y62 VK56 V8 | Harrop Supercharger Kit - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Nogtmp_1lfY)

Thats still 50kw more at the wheels than the d4 has at the engine. Its therefore simple maths; the patrol will always pull a lot harder than the d4!

As for torque: 500nm at 1600rpm with max torque at 4400rpm of 560nm and 400hp makes it a absolute power house of an engine. Do you have to rev the tits out of it to use its power? No! Most blokes never see over 5000rpm and it red lines at 680prpm.

[ozscott]

From 1nado:

A naturally aspirated v8 petrol doesnt really have that much that can go wrong. A turbo, injectors or pump failure over time in a diesel would pretty much make the running costs a lot closer than what people claim and often forget about.



This. [emoji106]

The thing people seem to/like to forget. The actual running costs for an average of say 20,000k per year draw much closer when you are take into account service costs including the first time a turbo goes tits up.

The auto box in the RR would concern me. I would look seriously at the Patrol for a tow vehicle of very heavy loads. Sounds like a good thing. Having said that if I were towing grey nomad style day in day out I would go a diesel for running costs and just hope that the turbo(s) hold in.

Cheers

[bee utey]

so ur saying the more power = larger rev range = can drop back a gear and get more torque by a better gear ratio?

Pretty much. Low down torque is essential only if you run out of gears to get the revs up into the power band, e.g. as you get in high range. In a D1 300TDi for example you have to sometimes engage low range to get moving up a slope and change to high range once you're rolling, because low down engine torque just isn't there. Once it's in boost land it's OK.

[Tombie]

1nando, you need to look more [emoji6]
That Dyno run wasn’t at the wheels [emoji6]

You know what I was surprised about though, it’s towing and GVM....

It would be a struggle to take the family away in the Y62 and tow a 3.5t van...

[Vern]

1nando, you need to look more [emoji6]
That Dyno run wasn’t at the wheels [emoji6]

You know what I was surprised about though, it’s towing and GVM....

It would be a struggle to take the family away in the Y62 and tow a 3.5t van...I can't take my family away now with my rangie due to gvm![emoji46]

[donh54]

Simples! Smaller van, or smaller family [bigrolf]

[Tombie]

I can't take my family away now with my rangie due to gvm![emoji46]

Well don’t get a Y62 then!!!

[1nando]

Well don’t get a Y62 then!!!A y62 has a proper 7000kg GCM. With a gvm of 3500. Thats a payload of 697kg. I dont see how thats a small tow capacity compared to its competiton.

[1nando]

1nando, you need to look more [emoji6]
That Dyno run wasn’t at the wheels [emoji6]

You know what I was surprised about though, it’s towing and GVM....

It would be a struggle to take the family away in the Y62 and tow a 3.5t van...Hows this one;
MANTA Performance 3" Cat Back Exhaust System: Y62 V8 5.6L Nissan Patrol - YouTube (https://youtu.be/d58t944RyGI)

Standard run; 242 hp at wheels or 180kws at wheels with 366nm before exhaust and tune. Now thats the same power claimed by the disco at the engine. Id love to see a disco run and see how it compares.

Im sorry Tombie but i reckon that if i was to load both vehciles up with 3.5ton and drive them up a long incline that the patrol would leave the disco for dead. When they had the patrol head to head with the 200 the patrol increased speed up hills with ease where as the 200 only mainted speed on the steeper hills and could not increase seped.

Im not bagging the d4. I have no doubt its better offroad and probably a better all round car but the patrol is a hd tow tug with power to boot and probably more reliable. Each to their own but the reason i posted the video originally is because i hold the d4 in very high regard so to see the patrol power up a hill straight past it is impressive; to me at least.

[donh54]

Hows this one;
[url=https://youtu.be/d58t944RyGI]..... so to see the patrol power up a hill straight past it is impressive; to me at least.

Firstly, the couple in the D4 obviously weren't in on the deal - they were more than likely shaking their heads at the number of gears the Y62 dropped on the way past, and discussing "fools trying to prove something, while towing a big 'van" - I know I would be if I was in their place! [bigwhistle]

Maybe they even said to each other, "Let's stay as far back from this rev-head as we can, dear". [biggrin]

I know if I was tootling up a hill, with or without a 'van on, and I suddenly tried to race someone else, SWMBO would make her displeasure known in real quick time! :bat:

[1nando]

Donh54:



Its funny when when you ask how many gears did it have to downshift, hilarious actually, ignorant too maybe.

The y62 has 560nm which puts it at a 40nm disadvantage with a 120kw power advantage.........how hard will you rev your d4 until you realize that its futile as the y62 will keep powering past..[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Tombie]

Hehe! Drivers of trucks would strongly disagree with your definition of pulling power [emoji41]

You’re talking speed...over a short time interval.

Let’s change the context... and you’ll see what I mean.

“What was pretty impressive is that a vehicle with an engine approximately 54% of the Patrol can haul a true 3,500kg whilst being loaded to its GVM, up a gradient that very few vehicles could even hold speed at.

And whilst it’s 180kw and 600nm is well below the others it has the benefit of an extra gear in its ZF to make the most of what it has to offer.”

[Vern]

Well don’t get a Y62 then!!!With just me in my rangie i am on gvm, and no gvm upgrades for the rangie available.
Add a bar or two, and a gvm upgrade kit to a y62 and i can still take the family with me legally.[emoji4]

[1nando]

Hehe! Drivers of trucks would strongly disagree with your definition of pulling power [emoji41]

You’re talking speed...over a short time interval.

Let’s change the context... and you’ll see what I mean.

“What was pretty impressive is that a vehicle with an engine approximately 54% of the Patrol can haul a true 3,500kg whilst being loaded to its GVM, up a gradient that very few vehicles could even hold speed at.

And whilst it’s 180kw and 600nm is well below the others it has the benefit of an extra gear in its ZF to make the most of what it has to offer.”Trucks i understand as its my job monday to friday.
Yes i am impressed by the d4, seems some cant belive that a petrol v8 has more pulling power than their d4.

[Tombie]

Oh I can believe it... it’s essentially an Japanese version of a 350 Chevy [emoji41]

[Tombie]

With just me in my rangie i am on gvm, and no gvm upgrades for the rangie available.
Add a bar or two, and a gvm upgrade kit to a y62 and i can still take the family with me legally.[emoji4]

Seems 3,680kg is the GVM upgrade...

2,750 empty
0,110 fuel
0,140 Bullbar
0,100 to allow for towing 3t
0,030 2nd battery
—————————-
3,130kg

Balance 550kg



We really need this stuff to be transparent to buyers hey! (I’ve also done it before on the D4/LC200).

[1nando]

Oh I can believe it... it’s essentially an Japanese version of a 350 Chevy [emoji41]Also Tombie when you state that the patrols engine is 54% bigger your forgetting that its NA and has no forced induction which increases volumetric efficiency.

[justinc]

There is a danger of this thread spiralling down south... bith vehicles are great tow rigs. One appeals to some more than the other and tyat is what makes the world go round...
It was a very very close decidion for me and Juliets (the voice of reason😁) input was staunchly in favour of a new vehicle with a warranty etc, and i agree with that however you have no idea how close it was between the L322 TDv8 and the Y62. Such is the high regard i have for the Nissan offering.
It was purely down to towing aids and suspension for us, and maybe a little obsession with the L322 on my behalf..😅

[donh54]

Donh54:



Its funny when when you ask how many gears did it have to downshift, hilarious actually, ignorant too maybe.

The y62 has 560nm which puts it at a 40nm disadvantage with a 120kw power advantage.........how hard will you rev your d4 until you realize that its futile as the y62 will keep powering past..[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I just watched it again - dropped a gear when he pulled out to pass, then another one just as he got ahead of the Disco.

I reckon the Disco dropped back because he was worried about getting sucked into the petrol cap vent!! [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

Both of them look to be great cars, but I'm afraid towing half a house with me doesn't really float my boat. We can live for a few weeks with no more than an awning, swags and stretchers, and a tent for if we stop somewhere for a while, all fitted into, or onto, a Disco 1. [bigwhistle]

[1nando]

There is a danger of this thread spiralling down south... bith vehicles are great tow rigs. One appeals to some more than the other and tyat is what makes the world go round...
It was a very very close decidion for me and Juliets (the voice of reason[emoji16]) input was staunchly in favour of a new vehicle with a warranty etc, and i agree with that however you have no idea how close it was between the L322 TDv8 and the Y62. Such is the high regard i have for the Nissan offering.
It was purely down to towing aids and suspension for us, and maybe a little obsession with the L322 on my behalf..[emoji28]JC i 100% agree and i think that anyone who has followed this thread would appreciate that i have been fair in my analysis of the y62 and not biased. I dont for a second believe its better off road than a defender or a d4. Its probably better in the sand than both but thats what it was designed to do and becuase it has decent tyres on it.
The y62 has impressed me in a lot of ways. Working with trucks day in and day out had basically led me to believe that diesel was the way to go for everything you'd expect from a hd vehicle but i took a risk on my boss's recommendation and went with a y62. I really like the driving experience and effortless power on offer but i don't love it like i used to love my 110. The patrol is like a mistress I'd imagine (not that id know from 1st hand experience). Its like a guilty little pleasure. Its goes hard when you need it to, comfotable and gentle when not pushing it, always relaible but i just don't love it. Its reliable, seems unbreakable but no matter how hard i try to love it i just don't. I got blasted for saying a y62 wouldnt be as good offroad as a defender on the patrol forum and as a result i spend no time on that forum and all of it here. I make statements based on 1st hand experience and things i learn along the way. The Patrol has been a fantastic learning experience.

I think the defenders ability to be transformed/modified into something personal is what makes it special.

I love LRs and don't want to offend or upset anyone.

[1nando]

I just watched it again - dropped a gear when he pulled out to pass, then another one just as he got ahead of the Disco.

I reckon the Disco dropped back because he was worried about getting sucked into the petrol cap vent!! [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

Both of them look to be great cars, but I'm afraid towing half a house with me doesn't really float my boat. We can live for a few weeks with no more than an awning, swags and stretchers, and a tent for if we stop somewhere for a while, all fitted into, or onto, a Disco 1. [bigwhistle]When you plant your foot down in the y62 it loves to rev. Its a "endurance v8" used by nissan in the v8 supercars. Its a monster motor built to be punished. The software will kick it down as low as it needs to, giving you the most amount of power possible.
Eg. I could simply feed a slower softer throttle response and produce a easy overtake maneuver without the need to thrash it and drop 2 gears. The engine is able and ready amd nissan have tuned the package to do what you want from it; move quickly when u need to!

[justinc]

JC i 100% agree and i think that anyone who has followed this thread would appreciate that i have been fair in my analysis of the y62 and not biased. I dont for a second believe its better off road than a defender or a d4. Its probably better in the sand than both but thats what it was designed to do and becuase it has decent tyres on it.
The y62 has impressed me in a lot of ways. Working with trucks day in and day out had basically led me to believe that diesel was the way to go for everything you'd expect from a hd vehicle but i took a risk on my boss's recommendation and went with a y62. I really like the driving experience and effortless power on offer but i don't love it like i used to love my 110. The patrol is like a mistress I'd imagine (not that id know from 1st hand experience). Its like a guilty little pleasure. Its goes hard when you need it to, comfotable and gentle when not pushing it, always relaible but i just don't love it. Its reliable, seems unbreakable but no matter how hard i try to love it i just don't. I got blasted for saying a y62 wouldnt be as good offroad as a defender on the patrol forum and as a result i spend no time on that forum and all of it here. I make statements based on 1st hand experience and things i learn along the way. The Patrol has been a fantastic learning experience.

I think the defenders ability to be transformed/modified into something personal is what makes it special.

I love LRs and don't want to offend or upset anyone.

Mate there is no possibility of offending or upsetting anybody here... we're all grown ups😎. And i agree with you anyway!! I would definitely pick a y62 over a defender ESPECIALLY with a family due primarily to safety.

Jc

[justinc]

When you plant your foot down in the y62 it loves to rev. Its a "endurance v8" used by nissan in the v8 supercars. Its a monster motor built to be punished. The software will kick it down as low as it needs to to give you the most amount of power possible.
Eg. I could simply feed a slower softer throttle response and produce a easy overtake maneuver without the need to thrash it and drop 2 gears. The engine is able and ready amd nissan have tuned the package to do what you want from it; move quickly when u need to!


It IS a glorious drivetrain i agree 😎😎

[trout1105]

I just watched that vid and regardless of which truck is better at towing a van up hills you have to admit that the V8 in the Nissan Sounded Sooooo Sweet [thumbsupbig]
My D2a V8 doesn't sound like that unless I give it a big right boot in Sports mode [happycry]

[Lockee]

So a supercharged v8 in a sport or Autobiography a fairer comparison?

[justinc]

So a supercharged v8 in a sport or Autobiography a fairer comparison?

L322 4.2 or 5.0 SC is a good comparison, HOWEVER our brief was for a new or late model high towing spec vehicle. The 4.2 are now fairly old and the 5.0 was very hard to find..

[Lockee]

L322 4.2 or 5.0 SC is a good comparison, HOWEVER our brief was for a new or late model high towing spec vehicle. The 4.2 are now fairly old and the 5.0 was very hard to find..

Tdv8 Sport is my favourite

[justinc]

Tdv8 Sport is my favourite

You obviously haven't driven the L322... totally different vehicle😍

[Lockee]

You obviously haven't driven the L322... totally different vehicle[emoji7]

In a new one. I do enjoy the L322

[justinc]

In a new one. I do enjoy the L322

Best trade that D3 then...😎

[Lockee]

Best trade that D3 then...[emoji41]

On the bump stops fully sick

[justinc]

On the bump stops fully sick

Still not sorted???

[Vern]

So a supercharged v8 in a sport or Autobiography a fairer comparison?What do they cost? Double? Tripple?

[justinc]

What do they cost? Double? Tripple?

A good 5.0SC used around 2012 will cost you about 75k. A little more for low km example say around the 60 to 80km mark. But a hell of a lot of car. They were 220k new!!

[Vern]

A good 5.0SC used around 2012 will cost you about 75k. A little more for low km example say around the 60 to 80km mark. But a hell of a lot of car. They were 220k new!!Are the new ones supercharged?

[Geedublya]

Can be

[justinc]

From 2010 to 2012 they are 'affordable'

[Vern]

From 2010 to 2012 they are 'affordable'But about 7 years old! Vs new for similar coin[emoji848]

[1nando]

But about 7 years old! Vs new for similar coin[emoji848]With warranty...not to mention no known issues at all.

[Tombie]

With warranty...not to mention no known issues at all.

[emoji41]

Brakes - known
Front CVs - known
Strange harmonic 70-90km/h - known
Lack of honouring of factory warranty by Nissan - very well known.

Arduous use service schedule is surprising!

I was surprised to read the other day - no SLS and Nissan say no WDH is to be used with the Patrol...

I’ll have to upload my TCO spreadsheet one day.


In your case - the Y62 is viable simply because of a Lease...

[1nando]

[emoji41]

Brakes - known
Front CVs - known
Strange harmonic 70-90km/h - known
Lack of honouring of factory warranty by Nissan - very well known.

Arduous use service schedule is surprising!

I was surprised to read the other day - no SLS and Nissan say no WDH is to be used with the Patrol...

I’ll have to upload my TCO spreadsheet one day.


In your case - the Y62 is viable simply because of a Lease...Im on the FB group amd the 62 forum and the only known cv breakage i am aware of was in a supercharged and lifted truck on 35s.
Ive looked pretty hard for issues and theres not much at all in repeat breakages.

Honestly on the forum theres nothing doing its boring.....no one ever reports anything as broken

[Geedublya]

JC i 100% agree and i think that anyone who has followed this thread would appreciate that i have been fair in my analysis of the y62 and not biased. I dont for a second believe its better off road than a defender or a d4. Its probably better in the sand than both but thats what it was designed to do and becuase it has decent tyres on it.
The y62 has impressed me in a lot of ways. Working with trucks day in and day out had basically led me to believe that diesel was the way to go for everything you'd expect from a hd vehicle but i took a risk on my boss's recommendation and went with a y62. I really like the driving experience and effortless power on offer but i don't love it like i used to love my 110. The patrol is like a mistress I'd imagine (not that id know from 1st hand experience). Its like a guilty little pleasure. Its goes hard when you need it to, comfotable and gentle when not pushing it, always relaible but i just don't love it. Its reliable, seems unbreakable but no matter how hard i try to love it i just don't. I got blasted for saying a y62 wouldnt be as good offroad as a defender on the patrol forum and as a result i spend no time on that forum and all of it here. I make statements based on 1st hand experience and things i learn along the way. The Patrol has been a fantastic learning experience.

I think the defenders ability to be transformed/modified into something personal is what makes it special.

I love LRs and don't want to offend or upset anyone.

It's all good, I'm coming due to replace my D4 and this thread has given me cause to re-evaluate the Y62 and a few others. I looked at the Y62 when I was searching for a new car last time but was turned off by what I thought was a too high price (it has come down a lot since then), a compromised Arab interior (the D4 is nicer and better laid out IMO) and an exterior that I still can't really think of as better than butt ugly. I do like the drivetrain and ability to run decent diameter tyres.
This time around it has dropped of my list due to the lack of towing software now I have a large van, the physical size and the interior. Also it appears that is considerably thirstier than the D4 V8 when towing from what i have read. As the only time I pay for fuel is when I tow my van this is a consideration.

I've looked at the L322 TDV8 and V8SC but the 250kg tow ball weight and very limited GVM has ruled it out.

So now it's down to a Toyota 200 series, RRS L494 or L405 (probably out of my price range).

[Tombie]

It's all good, I'm coming due to replace my D4 and this thread has given me cause to re-evaluate the Y62 and a few others. I looked at the Y62 when I was searching for a new car last time but was turned off by what I thought was a too high price (it has come down a lot since then), a compromised Arab interior (the D4 is nicer and better laid out IMO) and an exterior that I still can't really think of as better than butt ugly. I do like the drivetrain and ability to run decent diameter tyres.
This time around it has dropped of my list due to the lack of towing software now I have a large van, the physical size and the interior. Also it appears that is considerably thirstier than the D4 V8 when towing from what i have read. As the only time I pay for fuel is when I tow my van this is a consideration.

I've looked at the L322 TDV8 and V8SC but the 250kg tow ball weight and very limited GVM has ruled it out.

So now it's down to a Toyota 200 series, RRS L494 or L405 (probably out of my price range).

What weight are you wanting to tow? Inc Ball weight?

[Geedublya]

What weight are you wanting to tow? Inc Ball weight?

Current van has a max of 3 tonne, I'm usually up at about 2.8 - 2.9t when loaded.

[Tombie]

Current van has a max of 3 tonne, I'm usually up at about 2.8 - 2.9t when loaded.

And do you have a measured (confirmed) ball Weight?

[Geedublya]

When I put it over the weighbridge unloaded (2.6t) but with water tanks full ball weight was 280kg, I haven't checked it loaded yet.

[trout1105]

I had an old Nissan 4X4 and I flogged the guts out of it then I gave it to my young Bloke and he has flogged the gets out of it.
Guess what? it is still running [bigwhistle]

The Older 4X4's were far less complex than the new ones and I suppose that is the major reason for their being pretty much bullet proof.

[Tombie]

They were pretty bloody gutless too!
When you’re engines making SFA by modern standards it’s pretty hard to break much!

[Tombie]

When I put it over the weighbridge unloaded (2.6t) but with water tanks full ball weight was 280kg, I haven't checked it loaded yet.

Sounds like you’ll be shopping for a GVM and GCM upgrade!

[ozscott]

Are the autoboxes in the full fat Rangie still short life? If you service it regularly (taking off the sealed for life sticker...) but still tow a decent boat or van at or around 2 tonnes how long are the boxes lasting?

JC I can see why you would spend $75_85k on a V8 top of the range as second hand they have all the fruit...but you are an LR mech and have the knowledge and gear to fix all the fruit...for me the idea of spending that coin on such a complex beast (with known soft autos...assuming that is still the case) out of warranty leaves me with a cold shiver.

Cheers

[Tombie]

Scott. The TDV8 has the ZF auto.

[Vern]

Sounds like you’ll be shopping for a GVM and GCM upgrade!Atleast you can get a gvm upgrade for them[emoji6]

[Geedublya]

Sounds like you’ll be shopping for a GVM and GCM upgrade!

L494 RRS TDV8 has plenty of headroom standard so it is looking most likely. GCM 6700kg, GVM 3200 and tare of 2398 without extras so probably close to 2500kg. That should give me 400kg for passengers and gear with the van hooked up. there is only 3 of us with a combined weight of 170kg.

[Vern]

L494 RRS TDV8 has plenty of headroom standard so it is looking most likely. GCM 6700kg, GVM 3200 and tare of 2398 without extras so probably close to 2500kg. That should give me 400kg for passengers and gear with the van hooked up. there is only 3 of us with a combined weight of 170kg.So the nissan has a gvm of 3500, payload of 785 (about 15kg less than the rover) gcm of 7000. And you can get a gvm upgrade for it.

[Geedublya]

I haven't seen a GVM upgrade for the Patrol as yet only the 200 series. The Patrol is already off my list for other reasons.

[Tombie]

So the nissan has a gvm of 3500, payload of 785 (about 15kg less than the rover) gcm of 7000. And you can get a gvm upgrade for it.

Yes but unlike the Landy the Nissan eats GVM once you put more than 250kg on the tow bar. So that quickly becomes 655kg

[Tombie]

Atleast you can get a gvm upgrade for them[emoji6]

You can GVM upgrade others if you hire the engineer and pass the tests.

[Vern]

Yes but unlike the Landy the Nissan eats GVM once you put more than 250kg on the tow bar. So that quickly becomes 655kgHow does it differ between the makes? I never realised gcm eats into gvm

[1nando]

Yes but unlike the Landy the Nissan eats GVM once you put more than 250kg on the tow bar. So that quickly becomes 655kgYes but it still has a 7000kg gcm. Even with 100kg less payload assuming you have 350kg on the tow ball you still have a payload of 680kg. I dont know about you but my mrs, myself and my daughter wouldnt total 160kg. Even a average family with 4 adults would struggle to tip the scales at 400kg average id imagine.

So lets add a bullbar at 80kg, slightly bigger tyres (40kg), fridge (30kg) and we've deducted a further 150kg from our payload. Therefore 150kg+400kg is 550kg total leaving me with 130kg up my sleeve. The kicker however is i have a true 3.5ton tow capacity as part of my 7000kg gcm. I dont know about you but i reckon i could fit a lot of things in the van as there aren't that many vans that actually weigh 3.5 ton, most weigh under 3.2 so i dont see any issue here at all.

Am i missing something here?

[Tombie]

Now fill your fuel tank [emoji6]

All that cavernous space and you can’t put anything in it, or carry that 4th or 5th passenger...

Add a winch and the daughter has to stay home...

[1nando]

Now fill your fuel tank [emoji6]

All that cavernous space and you can’t put anything in it, or carry that 4th or 5th passenger...

Add a winch and the daughter has to stay home...Even with a full tank of fuel thats 140kg. Still under payload limit.
I just dont see how its any different to the competition.
Plus how many people actually have a van weighing 3.5 ton in australia. Most manufacturers here make them 2.8 ton or less so they have a greater appeal to people with different vehicles rather than just d4s, 200s, patrols, and a couple of others that can actually tow 3.5 ton

[Tombie]

You’re maths had you with 130kg left..
So you’re now over and haven’t even filled the fridge up.

There’s multiple people on this forum towing 3,500kg. Serious!

And even if they’re towing 3.2t max van, once it hits 3.2t it’s done ATM is ATM etc..

The LR is one that doesn’t lose GVM when adding 350kg to the towbar... so it comes out in front....

[scarry]

Now where is the popcorn...

This thread is just going round and round in the same circle.:zzz::zzz:

[biggrin]

[1nando]

You’re maths had you with 130kg left..
So you’re now over and haven’t even filled the fridge up.

There’s multiple people on this forum towing 3,500kg. Serious!

And even if they’re towing 3.2t max van, once it hits 3.2t it’s done ATM is ATM etc..

The LR is one that doesn’t lose GVM when adding 350kg to the towbar... so it comes out in front....Does a load leveling hitch reducing tow ball weight not address this??

[Tombie]

Does a load leveling hitch reducing tow ball weight not address this??

Nope.

And Nissan expressly state they are not to be used on the Y62

[Tombie]

I looked at larger vans and quickly arrived at F250s, Dodge Rams and Iveco trucks.

Below that any of the conventional 4wds are just the ticket...

[rammypluge]

I was just about to say that. Once you start feeling pressured to reduce weight in the vehicle and possibly even put more load in the caravan, its all going pear shaped. The van really starts to dictate to the vehicle.

[ozscott]

Scott. The TDV8 has the ZF auto.Tombie understood that the ZF was better than GM But still in 5/6 speed guise prone to failure. Are the 8 speed versions better?

Cheers

[uninformed]

3.5t! what the hell are you people dragging around with you... [bigsad]

[Vern]

3.5t! what the hell are you people dragging around with you... [bigsad]Most rover folk, are towing another rover[emoji4]

[justinc]

Tombie understood that the ZF was better than GM But still in 5/6 speed guise prone to failure. Are the 8 speed versions better?

Cheers

The 6hp26 in the 3.6 tdv8 is very strong and the 8hp70 in the later 4.4 is rated at 700Nm...

[scarry]

3.5t! what the hell are you people dragging around with you... [bigsad]

Didn't you know,they sell the house,put everything in the van,and away they go

Easy as,until they check things on the weigh bridge.

Tombies correct,the D4 pulls a heavy van so well it is unbelievable,actually at times you can sometimes forget it is even there,and thats with a 'tuned' 2.7l.

Works pretty hard up that Toowoomba range though.

[justinc]

Even our 2.9t van feels great behind the td6... its amazing just how heavy some of these vans become....

[Vern]

Well, test drive is booked in for saturday! I hope its horrible[emoji4]

[Ancient Mariner]

Well, test drive is booked in for saturday! I hope its horrible[emoji4]
Poke its nose into 1200mm deep of river crossing that will sort it out, plenty up here at the moment:lol2:

[Vern]

Nothing a snorkel won't fix[emoji4]

[1nando]

Nothing a snorkel won't fix[emoji4]Once u drive it, its hard to not come home without it.

Once u own it, its hard not to have any thing to fix, sort out or upgrade. Can be boring, i never realised how comfotable and stress free reliablity can be [emoji848]

Let me know what colour you get[emoji6]

[justinc]

Once u drive it, its hard to not come home without it.

Once u own it, its hard not to have any thing to fix, sort out or upgrade. Can be boring, i never realised how comfotable and stress free reliablity can be [emoji848]

Let me know what colour you get[emoji6]

😅 if the test drive vehicle had been desert dune.. it'd probably be outside now...😣

[rar110]

Once u drive it, its hard to not come home without it.

Once u own it, its hard not to have any thing to fix, sort out or upgrade. Can be boring, i never realised how comfotable and stress free reliablity can be [emoji848]

Let me know what colour you get[emoji6]

I’ve had that experience going from the 110 Perentie wagon (rebuilt from ground up) to the L322 3.6 tdv8. As the L322 lives outside, the interior & paint does require regular maintenance. [emoji1]

Washing and vacuuming.

And you can’t find any accessories to fit to it. [emoji35]

[Vern]

I’ve had that experience going from the 110 Perentie wagon (rebuilt from ground up) to the L322 3.6 tdv8. As the L322 lives outside, the interior & paint does require regular maintenance. [emoji1]

Washing and vacuuming.

And you can’t find any accessories to fit to it. [emoji35]I am going through similar, lse soft dash, body off chassis build with isuzu 4bd1t and msa gearbox and lots of other goodies, to possibly a y62!
Its going to hurt like hell parting ways, but its just not viable anymore

[Vern]

Hmmmmmm now which colour do i want[emoji848]

[1nando]

Hmmmmmm now which colour do i want[emoji848]More detail please. Thoughts??

[Vern]

More detail please. Thoughts??Well, not sure whether to go new or low k secondhand yet. I no longer have the tax benefits of going new as i no longer have our own business.

It was very comfy, a great cruiser, heaps of room, very smooth, plenty of get up and go, and if i could find one small criticism, it would be the suspension is a bit softer than i would like, but soon got used to it.

Wifey loved it, approved before she even had her turn behind the wheel.

I think with a front bar, bigger tyres, and a bit more lift it will be ideal for what we want.
Very easy to drive.

[justinc]

Well, not sure whether to go new or low k secondhand yet. I no longer have the tax benefits of going new as i no longer have our own business.

It was very comfy, a great cruiser, heaps of room, very smooth, plenty of get up and go, and if i could find one small criticism, it would be the suspension is a bit softer than i would like, but soon got used to it.

Wifey loved it, approved before she even had her turn behind the wheel.

I think with a front bar, bigger tyres, and a bit more lift it will be ideal for what we want.
Very easy to drive.

Hook
Line
Sinker


😅. Congrats mate they are a good unit☺

[1nando]

Well, not sure whether to go new or low k secondhand yet. I no longer have the tax benefits of going new as i no longer have our own business.

It was very comfy, a great cruiser, heaps of room, very smooth, plenty of get up and go, and if i could find one small criticism, it would be the suspension is a bit softer than i would like, but soon got used to it.

Wifey loved it, approved before she even had her turn behind the wheel.

I think with a front bar, bigger tyres, and a bit more lift it will be ideal for what we want.
Very easy to drive.I still think the steering is very light for such a big truck.
My mrs absolutely loves it. Best cruising vehcile we have ever owned.
Be careful with a lift as to do it properly ypu need to go with a kit from either radflo or 4x4 on trak (assuming u get a ti or ti-l). As a result ive decided i wont be sporting a bullbar. Simply 33 inch ko2s when the time comes to upgrade tyres. In the rear you can insert air bags on all models but the front isnt easy to modify on non st-l models.

I dont regret my decision one bit. The car seems to grow more on me every day. Ull love it


Used they seem to hold their value very well. Most ti's still sit between 55-65k for a goos one.

[justinc]

I still think the steering is very light for such a big truck.
My mrs absolutely loves it. Best cruising vehcile we have ever owned.
Be careful with a lift as to do it properly ypu need to go with a kit from either radflo or 4x4 on trak (assuming u get a ti or ti-l). As a result ive decided i wont be sporting a bullbar. Simply 33 inch ko2s when the time comes to upgrade tyres. In the rear you can insert air bags on all models but the front isnt easy to modify on non st-l models.

I dont regret my decision one bit. The car seems to grow more on me every day. Ull love it


Used they seem to hold their value very well. Most ti's still sit between 55-65k for a goos one.


Ha ha there is no need to say anymore... he's already looking for one the right colour😅. Likei said earlier it was a very very close run decision for us... that is how impressive the y62 really is in comparison to all the other offerings😎

[Disco-tastic]

Ever since I noticed this thread I've been seeing more and more Y62's around.

I used to despise them due to the massive change from the GU (a bit like how I didn't like D3's cos they were all independent suspension and had too many electronics - but now I own one and love it).

After reading this thread a Y62 may be looked for if and when we upgrade!

[justinc]

Ever since I noticed this thread I've been seeing more and more Y62's around.

I used to despise them due to the massive change from the GU (a bit like how I didn't like D3's cos they were all independent suspension and had too many electronics - but now I own one and love it).

After reading this thread a Y62 may be looked for if and when we upgrade!

If i were to eventually buy a non LR vehicle in this class then i would be choosing one for sure.

Jc

[rick130]

Ever since I noticed this thread I've been seeing more and more Y62's around.

I used to despise them due to the massive change from the GU (a bit like how I didn't like D3's cos they were all independent suspension and had too many electronics - but now I own one and love it).

After reading this thread a Y62 may be looked for if and when we upgrade!Ditto.
I noticed my first Infiniti version last week.

My initial thought was "**** that's ugly, what is it?"
The Nissan version is better looking!

[Tombie]

I noticed one on the side of the road yesterday... Bonnet up... spraying bodily
Fluids everywhere... (Just south of Pt Germain)..

Nothing is invincible..

And he wasn’t to happy a LR rolled up offering assistance.

[Vern]

I noticed one on the side of the road yesterday... Bonnet up... spraying bodily
Fluids everywhere... (Just south of Pt Germain)..

Nothing is invincible..

And he wasn’t to happy a LR rolled up offering assistance.And no landrover has ever done this?[emoji6]
I'm surprised landrover don't come with a second set of bonnet hinges[emoji38]

[Tombie]

And no landrover has ever done this?[emoji6]
I'm surprised landrover don't come with a second set of bonnet hinges[emoji38]

It was more the owners reaction to an offer of assistance...

There’s a big difference between bonnet ups on 0-3 yr old vehicles as opposed to 20+ year old classics... [emoji41]

[1nando]

It was more the owners reaction to an offer of assistance...

There’s a big difference between bonnet ups on 0-3 yr old vehicles as opposed to 20+ year old classics... [emoji41]Its a machine and it will happen, however you can search the forums all you like and these vehicles have no common issue and issues are really few and far between. In the UAE it is by far and away the most relaible vehicle sold hence why they sell in such large numbers. They out number/sell toyota 3-1 and are the same price

[Tombie]

Was a clever ploy by Nissan to target the Arab market... paid off in a big way!

[loanrangie]

Still ****en ugly so will never see one in my driveway, D4 V8 would be my choice.

[scarry]

Nissan had to build a modern vehicle,so they probably used the LC 200 as a benchmark....

There is really no other new vehicle available in the same class.

At a guess i would think the 200 will be replaced in the next few years.

[scarry]

And no landrover has ever done this?[emoji6]
I'm surprised landrover don't come with a second set of bonnet hinges[emoji38]

And most people with D1 and D2's only lift the bonnet to get to the jack,nothing else...[wink11]

[Vern]

And most people with D1 and D2's only lift the bonnet to get to the jack,nothing else...[wink11]Hahahahaha yeah right![emoji4]

[Vern]

Still ****en ugly so will never see one in my driveway, D4 V8 would be my choice.Thats such a toyota driver attitude [emoji6]

[rangieman]

And most people with D1 and D2's only lift the bonnet to get to the jack,nothing else...[wink11]
Cant use that excuse anymore my jack is in the draw`s in the back [bighmmm]
But i do have a ARB compressor under the bonnet so that will do for a excuse now[bigwhistle]

[justinc]

😓😢😢 i don't even have a dipstick☹☹☹

[scarry]

😓😢😢 i don't even have a dipstick☹☹☹

You have no idea what your missing out on[bighmmm][biggrin]

[Vern]

[emoji29][emoji22][emoji22] i don't even have a dipstick[emoji852][emoji852][emoji852]One less point for the oil to leak out from[emoji6]

[1nando]

So ive just ticked over the 10,000kms. I have never reset my average ltts/100kms so i thought id post this up.

A lot is said about these trucks and a lot of people with other makes (ie 200 owners) quote BS info so i thought id post this to prove my point.

Do i consider an average of 13.8 over 10,000kms to be a lot?? Hell no! Its amazing considering i drive around in the eastern suburbs of sydney and have a fridge, chairs, air compressor and recovery kit on board all the time.

In saying that dont be fooled either. The truck will drink whatever you force it to drink. I drive pretty normally with the odd squirt here and there (especially if theres a 200 on the radar). In 18 days we leave for Melbourne for easter so that will see another 3000kms clocked up on a return trip.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/150.jpg

[Grumbles]

Do i consider an average of 13.8 over 10,000kms to be a lot?? Hell no! Its amazing considering i drive around in the eastern suburbs of sydney and have a fridge, chairs, air compressor and recovery kit on board all the time.



I can provide an interesting comparison to your Patrols average of 13.8 L per 100km fuel consumption 1nando.

It is just me and my Cav Spaniel and I drive sedately with the majority of trips being in town at a regulated max 50 kmh everywhere plus I also use well maintained forest tracks every day. Car is a 4 year old Suzi Grand Vitara fourby, 2.4 petrol auto with 32 K on the clock. I maintain a detailed log book and like your good self I carry luggage and have some recovery items, chain saw and fishing gear always on board.

My fuel consumption varies a little bit but is between a consistent 12 to 14 Litres per 100 kms.

[Vern]

Well i wasn't expecting that!

[1nando]

Well i wasn't expecting that!In saying that; my average in the eastern suburbs is around 16-17, on the highway its 10-11 and ive roughly done 50% of my kms on the highway and 50% stop start traffic.
Journos report higher consumption cause they're testing the vehicle and thrashing it. Normal driving=good consumption.
The big negative of a petrol is that under serious load economy is greatly affected compared to a diesel. In saying that a diesel doesn't have the get up and go of a petrol.

The v8 in this thing is amazing!

[Tombie]

I can provide an interesting comparison to your Patrols average of 13.8 L per 100km fuel consumption 1nando.

It is just me and my Cav Spaniel and I drive sedately with the majority of trips being in town at a regulated max 50 kmh everywhere plus I also use well maintained forest tracks every day. Car is a 4 year old Suzi Grand Vitara fourby, 2.4 petrol auto with 32 K on the clock. I maintain a detailed log book and like your good self I carry luggage and have some recovery items, chain saw and fishing gear always on board.

My fuel consumption varies a little bit but is between a consistent 12 to 14 Litres per 100 kms.

More detail please (or your vehicle is desperately in need of tuning because that’s awful)...

Stock tyre size?
4wd engaged on forest tracks?

And my favourite - define sedately [emoji6]

MIL has a V6 Vitara on oversize rubber with a lift that gets 9s...

[rammypluge]

My 2.7V6 Grand Vitara got 13L/100km around town, and i reckoned that was about right. Considering earlier Falcons got around 14L/100km around town.

[The GV did throw an O2 sensor code just as i went to sell it].

[Tombie]

My tweaked XR6 got 13s and spent most of its time in town leaving the line at full stick (I was young)...

[Eevo]

😓😢😢 i don't even have a dipstick☹☹☹

check the drivers seat? [bigwhistle]

[Eevo]

My tweaked XR6 got 13s and spent most of its time in town leaving the line at full stick (I was young)...

xr6 or xr6t?

[Grumbles]

More detail please (or your vehicle is desperately in need of tuning because that’s awful)...

Stock tyre size?
4wd engaged on forest tracks?

And my favourite - define sedately [emoji6]

MIL has a V6 Vitara on oversize rubber with a lift that gets 9s...

Nup - no need for a tune. Mechanicals are all spot on and well maintained with services every 6 months regardless of the [small] distances covered. It only travels around 8000 kms per year so it has a service about every 4000 kms.

Tyres are stock standard size - Yokohama GO12 ATs'. No tow bar, winch or bull bar fitted either.

The GV is a constant four wheel drive vehicle. It has constant 4WD with the centre diff unlocked for hard surface driving and Hi and Low range 4WD both with the centre diff locked for the rough stuff. The tracks are easy so I have no need to have the centre diff locked so do not engage it.

Sedate.....? With just on 7 decades under my belt and no need for clock watching I am in no hurry to get to any destination so driving is a leisurely affair.

My fuel consumption is normal for my year model GV and for any other GV with the same 2.4 petrol engine. The fuel usage is a source of constant complaint at the various Suzi dealers by owners and a source of criticism when the car is reviewed by the car magazines.

[Zeros]

I must admit I’m confused. All this hyperbole from welded on Land Rover aficionados about how amazing this big petrol V8 saloon is ...have I been teleported to the USA? The interior looks like a Cadillac and the exterior is a design nightmare! With a bullbar it looks torturous!
...or are we in Saudi Arabia? These things would previously have been reserved for Oil tycoons!

What happened to the Land Rover fraternity which celebrated frugality, simplicity, tread lightly, and dare I say it...humble pragmatism?

I really dont want to be the spoiler, each to their own and all, but this is surely anathema to the whole Land Rover ethos! This is what the D5 and no new Defender has inspired?

This is is the last gasp of the big V8 guzzlers. I get it, it feels powerful to drive. Yup a big V8 always has. But not even a Brocky would be driving one around a race track come 2020.

2020 on... is all about hybridity, economy and protecting our fragile planet from global warming. Hopefully not too little too late. ...Bring on the Hybrid Defender 2.0 litre/electric that uses 3ltr per 100km. And bring back the swag! or at most the compact camper trailer. ...what’s all this about needing to tow a 3.5+ tonne van?! and GVM upgrades on 3.5tonne V8 tanks?!

Australia don’t become America. Doh! too late?

[bigwhistle]

[Tombie]

xr6 or xr6t?

Pre-Turbo

[Tombie]

Nup - no need for a tune. Mechanicals are all spot on and well maintained with services every 6 months regardless of the [small] distances covered. It only travels around 8000 kms per year so it has a service about every 4000 kms.

Tyres are stock standard size - Yokohama GO12 ATs'. No tow bar, winch or bull bar fitted either.

The GV is a constant four wheel drive vehicle. It has constant 4WD with the centre diff unlocked for hard surface driving and Hi and Low range 4WD both with the centre diff locked for the rough stuff. The tracks are easy so I have no need to have the centre diff locked so do not engage it.

Sedate.....? With just on 7 decades under my belt and no need for clock watching I am in no hurry to get to any destination so driving is a leisurely affair.

My fuel consumption is normal for my year model GV and for any other GV with the same 2.4 petrol engine. The fuel usage is a source of constant complaint at the various Suzi dealers by owners and a source of criticism when the car is reviewed by the car magazines.

Thanks for the reply.

Wow! That’s quite concerning for a compact rig to be so thirsty.
They’ve always made a good off-roader so I’m quite frankly surprised to see such figures...

Cheers

[uninformed]

I noticed one on the side of the road yesterday... Bonnet up... spraying bodily
Fluids everywhere... (Just south of Pt Germain)..

Nothing is invincible..

And he wasn’t to happy a LR rolled up offering assistance.


Your not seriously throwing stones at a Nissan for losing a hose or over heating, in a LR forum are you...

[Zeros]

Your not seriously throwing stones at a Nissan for losing a hose or over heating, in a LR forum are you...

Don't want to speak for Tombie, but it might be as much that the Nissan driver didn't appreciate a Land Rover driver offering assistance...?

This discussion is fascinating.

[Tombie]

That was more the point..
We offered assistance and he was quite put out by it..

[Vern]

That was more the point..
We offered assistance and he was quite put out by it..How many land rover folk have acted the same way in that situation!
How dare a nissan/toyota driver offer assistance, they will never hear the end of it.
Just close the bonnet until they are out of sight [emoji6]

[uninformed]

That was more the point..
We offered assistance and he was quite put out by it..

And maybe he was already frustrated / upset and put out by his fairly new expensive vehicle having a fairly major breakdown and not knowing the further potential damage. It can really upset people and then any dealings in that immediate moment won’t be their best.

his ego was damaged and he probably would have reacted that way to any brand of vehicle.

[Vern]

And maybe he was already frustrated / upset and put out by his fairly new expensive vehicle having a fairly major breakdown and not knowing the further potential damage. It can really upset people and then any dealings in that immediate moment won’t be their best.

his ego was damaged and he probably would have reacted that way to any brand of vehicle.I would have thrown a shoe at mike if he pulled up along side me[emoji6]

[1nando]

I must admit I’m confused. All this hyperbole from welded on Land Rover aficionados about how amazing this big petrol V8 saloon is ...have I been teleported to the USA? The interior looks like a Cadillac and the exterior is a design nightmare! With a bullbar it looks torturous!
...or are we in Saudi Arabia? These things would previously have been reserved for Oil tycoons!

What happened to the Land Rover fraternity which celebrated frugality, simplicity, tread lightly, and dare I say it...humble pragmatism?

I really dont want to be the spoiler, each to their own and all, but this is surely anathema to the whole Land Rover ethos! This is what the D5 and no new Defender has inspired?

This is is the last gasp of the big V8 guzzlers. I get it, it feels powerful to drive. Yup a big V8 always has. But not even a Brocky would be driving one around a race track come 2020.

2020 on... is all about hybridity, economy and protecting our fragile planet from global warming. Hopefully not too little too late. ...Bring on the Hybrid Defender 2.0 litre/electric that uses 3ltr per 100km. And bring back the swag! or at most the compact camper trailer. ...what’s all this about needing to tow a 3.5+ tonne van?! and GVM upgrades on 3.5tonne V8 tanks?!

Australia don’t become America. Doh! too late?

[bigwhistle]Zeros. Mate;

Althougg i understand where your coming from i cant agree. As some know my mrs is pregnant and hence the reason why it was important to upgrade to a family bus. To make matters more interesting we just found out we're having twins, so stoked [emoji3][emoji3]. Its like selling the defender and buying the patrol was destiny. The patrol will easily fit my 3 kids, the mrs and all our gear when we go away. Have plenty of power on tap for safe over taking, although it isnt ancap rated it does have six airbags and its size, build quality amd the fact that nissan built it with the intention of selling it at over $100k leads me to believe its well designed and very safe.

Is it frugal? Not to most people

Is it environmentally friendly? Probably not compared to most small petrols but is compared to almost every diesel. Diesel causes cancer and kills, argue the point all you like but thats why they're loaded with emissions controls.

Is it big? Yes but some people and families need a large vehcile

Does it need to tow 3.5 ton? Not really in my case but any vehcile built to lug a proper 3.5ton has a HD chassis and is built tough

Is it fancy? Compared to a lot of cars yes, comparrd to a d5, range rover or almost any expensive european suv then no.

Is it reliable? According to all sources. No common faults and major issues arent an issue

Is it ugly? Maybe at first but then the more u look at it the more it grows on u. It actually looks great now that ive installed the new rear lights.

Is it arab or American simply cause of its size? Well i know it was designed to be king in the middle east and it is the greatest selling vehicle over there by a lonh shot however it is no different to australia where we love big steaks, big vans, big 4wd lifts, big v8s, large coffees and much more. The vehicle is one that does feel a void for those that need a big, comfortable, powerful, spacious and capable 4wd.

So in a nutshell is it a meaningless vehcile with no purpose in Australia? Well they seem to be selling in much greater numbers now and people are forced to wait on delivery for months......maybe people have realised that a frugal diesel isnt so cheap to own or run over the long term any more? I dont know but i guarantee that if u drove one it would be difficult not to end up with it in your garage!

Ps. Sorry for long post, my opinion.

[Vern]

These are all the reasons we are seriously looking at it!

[Zeros]

Zeros. Mate;

Althougg i understand where your coming from i cant agree. As some know my mrs is pregnant and hence the reason why it was important to upgrade to a family bus. To make matters more interesting we just found out we're having twins, so stoked [emoji3][emoji3]. Its like selling the defender and buying the patrol was destiny. The patrol will easily fit my 3 kids, the mrs and all our gear when we go away. Have plenty of power on tap for safe over taking, although it isnt ancap rated it does have six airbags and its size, build quality amd the fact that nissan built it with the intention of selling it at over $100k leads me to believe its well designed and very safe.

Is it frugal? Not to most people

Is it environmentally friendly? Probably not compared to most small petrols but is compared to almost every diesel. Diesel causes cancer and kills, argue the point all you like but thats why they're loaded with emissions controls.

Is it big? Yes but some people and families need a large vehcile

Does it need to tow 3.5 ton? Not really in my case but any vehcile built to lug a proper 3.5ton has a HD chassis and is built tough

Is it fancy? Compared to a lot of cars yes, comparrd to a d5, range rover or almost any expensive european suv then no.

Is it reliable? According to all sources. No common faults and major issues arent an issue

Is it ugly? Maybe at first but then the more u look at it the more it grows on u. It actually looks great now that ive installed the new rear lights.

Is it arab or American simply cause of its size? Well i know it was designed to be king in the middle east and it is the greatest selling vehicle over there by a lonh shot however it is no different to australia where we love big steaks, big vans, big 4wd lifts, big v8s, large coffees and much more. The vehicle is one that does feel a void for those that need a big, comfortable, powerful, spacious and capable 4wd.

So in a nutshell is it a meaningless vehcile with no purpose in Australia? Well they seem to be selling in much greater numbers now and people are forced to wait on delivery for months......maybe people have realised that a frugal diesel isnt so cheap to own or run over the long term any more? I dont know but i guarantee that if u drove one it would be difficult not to end up with it in your garage!

Ps. Sorry for long post, my opinion.


Hey 1nando, thanks for your detailed and considered response. I appreciate it.

Firstly congratulations on twins! fantastic news. You definitely need a safe and reliable vehicle with a growing family.

RE: all your points above, ditto, I understand your point of view and your choice of vehicle is up to you, but we'll need to agree to disagree.

Totally understandable that you need a heavy duty family wagaon, but there are many options for family wagons which are more economical, don't have V8 engines, are not so massive and are less expensive to buy and run. ...It's clear that the reason that you have a Y62 Patrol is that you wanted one, you enjoy it's power and size. I'm interested to know why it doesn't have an ancap rating if safety is also part of the reason?

The diesel is bad, petrol is better argument is a furphy:

"Diesel was promoted as a more environmentally friendly fuel as part of the EU’s response (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-98-734_en.htm?locale=en) to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO₂). Diesel engines are “lean-burn”, meaning they use less fuel and more air to get the same performance (http://www.air-quality.org.uk/26.php) as a petrol engine. So, while diesel fuel contains slightly more carbon (https://people.exeter.ac.uk/TWDavies/energy_conversion/Calculation%20of%20CO2%20emissions%20from%20fuels. htm) (2.68kg CO₂/litre) than petrol (2.31kg CO₂/litre), overall CO₂ emissions of a diesel car tend to be lower. In use, on average, this equates to around 200g CO₂/km for petrol and 120g CO₂/km for diesel."

Trucks, buses, trains, ships and even planes will need to stop using diesel, petrol and avgas, as well as coal fired power stations, if we're going to see any meaningful reduction in emissions. ...This will happen over the coming decade.

I'm disappointed in Land Rover of late too, but hopefully their stated commitment to all new vehicles from 2020 onwards being hybrid/electric will go a long way to winning me back. A V8 Defender certainly wouldn't.

All best wishes to you and your family. ...enjoy the V8 while you can!

Cheers

[Tombie]

Congrats on the twins mate...

[scarry]

Congrats on the twins mate...

X2

Friends of ours had two sets of twins in three yrs,now that was,and still is,a bit of work.[biggrin]

All fun and games.

[uninformed]

Congratulations mate ...









(on the Y62 [thumbsupbig] )

[cripesamighty]

Congrats on the twins! A mate has twins and he always tells them "so, which one of you was unplanned".... His wife goes nuts at him!

[shanegtr]

And maybe he was already frustrated / upset and put out by his fairly new expensive vehicle having a fairly major breakdown and not knowing the further potential damage. It can really upset people and then any dealings in that immediate moment won’t be their best.

his ego was damaged and he probably would have reacted that way to any brand of vehicle.
Propably just suprised that someone acutually stopped to offer assistance........

Oh and contrats on the twins

[ramblingboy42]

Times have changed havent they?
i'm of the vintage that every second vehicle would have a problem out bush(maybe not every second , but it was common enough) and someone always stopped if you were stopped. Sometimes more than one would stop and you'd have a yak. You would never change a tyre on your own...unless you were really out in the boonies.
No one gave a **** what you were driving and you'd often have a laugh , someone might have a thermos and you'd have a cuppa tea or a drink from the waterbag. We've lost it haven't we? Maybe some of you never saw it and thats perhaps why we get odd responses.
I stop for everyone on the side of the road outside the city, give them a reason to smile and encourage anyone who offers help to give it.
That's the way it was in Australia.....lets not lose this....lets encourage it more.

[trout1105]

That's the way it was in Australia.....lets not lose this....lets encourage it more.

That's the way it still is for many of us But unfortunately we a dying breed.

[1nando]

That's the way it still is for many of us But unfortunately we a dying breed.Im young and i hate to admit it but my generation has ruined a lot that was once great about sharing a common passion for the outdoors and the vehciles capable of getting us to amazing places.
It has become very brand orientated and almost bordering on insulting the way some people carry on in regards to others and their choice of vehcile. I have copped it first hand when i drove my 110, admittedly i gave as good as i got but a lot of Toyota owners are in a world of their own ive found. Patrol owners have never been too far behind either...
I always offer assistance and I've actually been brushed on more than one occasion because ive been driving a vehicle of a different make, shame.
People's ethics are slipping and not just to each other but also the environment. The amount of rubbish left behind by some people drives me crazy....

[Shoogs]

It just seems to be in Oz, I remember many years ago waiting at Yardie Creek Exmouth for the tide to go out before I crossed heading north, had a D2 V8 with camper trailer, 2 guys with 80 Series pulled up, smirked at me and then promptly drove into 2m of water, one drowned his engine but got through to the other side, just..., the other got half way and bogged, nose down into the current... then the swift call for assistance, after unhitching and turning around I snatched him back out... no thanks nothing... only a passing shot of 'I hope no one saw that...a Landrover helping Yota...' not much hope as there were people everywhere... strange thing was they were both of English descent.

Anyway one of many stories and regardless I would never not help and just constantly stay in a state of bemusement.

In Africa and beyond everyone helps and everyone ensures you are OK, but oh what a dangerous place...

[Zeros]

Times have changed havent they?
i'm of the vintage that every second vehicle would have a problem out bush(maybe not every second , but it was common enough) and someone always stopped if you were stopped. Sometimes more than one would stop and you'd have a yak. You would never change a tyre on your own...unless you were really out in the boonies.
No one gave a **** what you were driving and you'd often have a laugh , someone might have a thermos and you'd have a cuppa tea or a drink from the waterbag. We've lost it haven't we? Maybe some of you never saw it and thats perhaps why we get odd responses.
I stop for everyone on the side of the road outside the city, give them a reason to smile and encourage anyone who offers help to give it.
That's the way it was in Australia.....lets not lose this....lets encourage it more.

Over 20 odd years driving a Defender in central and northern Australia I’ve experienced extensive brand prejudice. I’ve been refused service by mechanics, given the X sign by ‘friends’ when I drive up in my Landy, endless stupid comments about lack of reliability or off road ability....it goes on and on. The majority is by Toyota drivers, but mainly because that’s what most sheep seem to drive. Not that I wouldn’t stop for a driver of any brand in need.

I’ve always worn it as a badge of honour.

I’ve never broken down where I’ve needed someone to stop whether by luck or good maintenance. But I’ve gladly stopped and assisted many a traveller out on the highways and in the bush. I agree though, times have changed. The freedom of the open road is tainted by a strange phenomenon of vehicle brands over people. I’m sure it’s something to do with the shrinking world, the constant of e-media connectivity, a perceived lack of need for real life community. Shared experience seems to be virtual now.

Despite all this I agree ramblingboy, let’s not lose the way it was.

[rammypluge]

These days i still stop for people but they usually wave you on, they are already sorted. Connectivity!

[scarry]

But be very carefull,stopping to help strangers.

A mate of mine stopped to help a family that had broken down,only to find after travelling another 4 hrs after getting them sorted,that one of his toolboxes was missing.He hadn’t used anything from that toolbox,so can only asssume it was taken out of his vehicle by one of them.

I stopped to help a guy that was badly bogged on the tip of Fraser Island a few years ago,in an old Tojo SWB.Pretty remote up there and he was way off the beach so the tide wasn’t going to drown the vehicle.After a minute or two we worked out he was drunk as a skunk,couldn’t even stand up without holding onto something.We just left,no point helping.

We have stopped for many people over the years and they are often sorted as others have said.

The majority of people are generally fine.We stopped just off the Walkers Crossing track a few years ago,for lunch and quite a few people stopped to see if we were OK.Eventually we moved further off the track so we couldn’t be seen.

[trout1105]

The last time I stopped to help someone was some poor bugger that didn't have a wheelbrace or the correct sized socket for the flat tyre on his caravan, He was quite impressed with my cordless rattle gun and I had a spare socket that was the correct size that I gave him so that he wouldn't be stranded again with a flat.
You would be surprised at the number of the caravan and boat towing brigade that has this problem [bigwhistle]

[scarry]

You would be surprised at the number of the caravan and boat towing brigade that has this problem [bigwhistle]

What about the number of people that either have no spare wheel,or the spare is flat?

[trout1105]

What about the number of people that either have no spare wheel,or the spare is flat?

Lots of them about as well unfortunately.

[shanegtr]

Last bloke I stopped for was on the Rio railway access road (I'll always stop for someone along any gravel road up here) who had a flat tyre. His factory screw jack had **** itself while trying to jack the wheel off the ground.
I remember years ago - would have been around 2002 from memory I had a flat on the Marble Bar- Nullegine rd where the spare wheel winder seized up after moving down about 1/4 the way. Had about 6 cars go past in the time it took me to sort it all out - the first 5 where all white fellas, the last one (just as I was finishing up mind you) was a car full of black fellas who where the only ones to stop and ask if we where ok

[trout1105]

I know that Nullagine to Marble Bar road pretty well and it is a bugger of a bit of road to break down on.
Yes the blackfellers up that way are a pretty good Mob, not so sure about the whitefellers though.

[justinc]

Yes the blackfellers up that way are a pretty good Mob, not so sure about the whitefellers though.

Pretty much the norm in some places out there...😣

[rammypluge]

I stopped for a blackfellow once. He was on the side of the road with his cobbled up car. It was dark and i had some stuff on the seat of my ute so i asked if he was okay to ride in the back. He wanted me to take him to a phone booth just down the road to make a call. Said something about his family. When i arrived at the phone booth i think I saw another blackperson nearby in the darkness. I decided to leave as soon as his feet touched the ground. I am a big bloke so that might have helped. It just felt fishy but not sure. Was in nsw slightly inland from the coast.

Another time i gave a blackmother and daughter a lift near Kempsey NSW. The daughter started playing with a small metallic thing from my centre console like it was a toy. When they got out she took it with her. I asked for it back and thankfully it was given to me.

[fitzy]

How about this to wet the appetite for the v8 fans amongst us
Supercharged Y62 patrol - YouTube (https://youtu.be/1ABuCRvqEc0)

[fitzy]

I counted in my head to 5 seconds, for the 100, that is quick.
It wasn’t too long ago when a Aussie v8 falcodore that was quick would take 9.

[justinc]

And i thpught the rangie was impressive!!!😮🤓

[fitzy]

Still not a rangie though

[Tombie]

And i thpught the rangie was impressive!!![emoji50][emoji851]

Spend the same as the upgrade on your Rangie and it will do it....

[justinc]

Spend the same as the upgrade on your Rangie and it will do it....

Hmmm. Had a 'play' tonight on the way home...😇. Paaddle shift sport mode and taken out to 4000rpm it is blindingly quick. Makes ALL the right sounds and hasn't even been remapped yet... pulls up well too😎😎😎

Just loving it😍

[rammypluge]

How about this to wet the appetite for the v8 fans amongst us
Supercharged Y62 patrol - YouTube (https://youtu.be/1ABuCRvqEc0)There is a problem. The video doesnt show the vehicle, so my mind imagines i am in a skyline or something.

[justinc]

There is a problem. The video doesnt show the vehicle, so my mind imagines i am in a skyline or something.

Not with that soundtrack 😎

[justinc]

This was my soundtrack this afternoon...

Land Rover Range Rover TDV8 4.4 Acceleration 2012 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/YRbUdwGmAww)

😈

[rammypluge]

This was my soundtrack this afternoon...

Land Rover Range Rover TDV8 4.4 Acceleration 2012 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/YRbUdwGmAww)

[emoji48]Nice instrument cluster. Might need a tune to knock a couple of seconds off, cheaper than fitting a supercharger.

[justinc]

Nice instrument cluster. Might need a tune to knock a couple of seconds off, cheaper than fitting a supercharger.

Yup. Haven't remapped it yet. Have to get off my behind and get it done soon. Needs to be bench flashed and i hate prising open these ECUs😣

[1nando]

Nice instrument cluster. Might need a tune to knock a couple of seconds off, cheaper than fitting a supercharger.Dont know if there are too many large 4wd vehicle's being sold in Australia with propper FACTORY offroad ability that can compete with the patrols power and acceleration.

So to make that statement i have taken the following into consideration:
- a factory offorad friendly tyre size that offers decent sidewall and the ability to lower tyre pressures to suit terrain.
- amazing traction control with a standard rear diff lock.
- performance: 0-100km in 6.6 secs is amazing for a truck weighing close to 3 ton with a driver in it.
- pulling power in spades
- great ground clearance, approach and departure angle
- space in abundance and comfort

The biggest kicker the price. I paid $77k drive away with an additional 4 year manufactures warranty giving me 7 years total and a tow kit. Taking the above points of tyre size, diff lock, clearance, space and comfort some vehicles will tick many of these points but maybe not all?? Id love to know what some would consider also ticks all of these from factory. If you have to change tyre size then you didnt tick all the boxes.


The more i own this truck the more i appreciate it and I've slowly come to love it.
Its actually really clever; to many people its a rose in a thorn bush and maybe thats why until recently nissan wasn't selling many of them. Ive started noticing a lot of them and apparently Nissan is struggling to meet demand so maybe people have realized that 200s, discos and prados aren't the only choice for a family bus on the market? Buying a Patrol ticks all the boxes including the one most blokes love; v8 power! You dont really get that with many of the other proper family 4wd suv vehcile options...

Excited to hear peoples thoughts and discussion. Please note this is in no way meant to be provocative but rather my opinion as a owner.

[rammypluge]

Lead the way with some utube vids of a Y62 doing hard stuff! I think i looked a while back and there really was nothing, except a fail, unfortunately.

[1nando]

Lead the way with some utube vids of a Y62 doing hard stuff! I think i looked a while back and there really was nothing, except a fail, unfortunately.The 79 has plently of power but not enough; the patrol shows him how its done[emoji6]

Y62 Patrol - There's No Substitute for Horsepower! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/iCNaXbEY5fA)

Youll probably say thats not tough but id bet my left n@t your amarok wouldnt do that. I know my 110 wouldnt

[1nando]

FYI Rammy i dont class a y62 as a built for purpose serious off roader but i dont class a amarok as a serious of roader either and not on the same level as a Patrol simply cause of its lack of heritage, small tyres and no low range gearbox. Thats not having a go at you but rather fair and true facts.

Seriously tough offroaders have live axels, decent tyres and excellent low range gearing.

This isnt a serious offroad vid but shows the flex
Medium climb in Appin in the Y62 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Vzz9eLeO04Q)

[justinc]

I would say a remapped 110 without 750kg of accessories would blow them both away with the right tyre choice and pressures.. its all about powerr to weight

[1nando]

I would say a remapped 110 without 750kg of accessories would blow them both away with the right tyre choice and pressures.. its all about powerr to weightI dont know Jc. My 110 had plenty of power and the right mods and i reckon the patrol would eat it alive all day in the sand. In sayong thats its the only offraod terrain where it trumps the 110

[justinc]

But the 110 was heavy though...😮

[1nando]

But the 110 was heavy though...[emoji50]This is true but the patrol is 3 ton with me in it and nothing else [emoji848][emoji44][emoji44]

[rammypluge]

Sorry, but my Amarok would eat that, with a lightish tare and big tyres, 8spd auto, responsive torquey engine, flex, rear diff lock, etc. But i dont muck around with high tyre pressures.

33" are easy to fit to an Amarok, and you say 35" are easy to fit to a Y62, but the Amarok being so much lighter will have more flotation.

Despite having driven almost every beach between the SA/VIC border and the top of Yorke Peninsula, plus more, plus Big Red, etc, i dont have any great dune climbing videos. However, recently, with almost no run up....
Amarok Yorke Duning. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/b7K5ocglwso)

[justinc]

Weight is a huge and largely ignored factor i reckon. I once got the quickest time in a sand gymkhana in my old stock 82 2 door on std tyres and no traction aids... they all larfed when i unloaded the vehicle even took out the spare wheel and all personal effects... afterwards they all had a krinkly mouf about it. It was just common sense got me over the line!

Happy times😍

[1nando]

Sorry, but my Amarok would eat that, with a lightish tare and big tyres, 8spd auto, responsive torquey engine, flex, rear diff lock, etc. But i dont muck around with high tyre pressures.

33" are easy to fit to an Amarok, and you say 35" are easy to fit to a Y62, but the Amarok being so much lighter will have more flotation.

Despite having driven almost every beach between the SA/VIC border and the top of Yorke Peninsula, plus more, plus Big Red, etc, i dont have any great dune climbing videos. However, recently, with almost no run up....
Amarok Yorke Duning. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/b7K5ocglwso)Exactly my point mate. You had to modify it. What do you reckon would happen if i lifted the patrol 2 inches and slipped 35s under it?
I made the statement i made in regards to factory standard vehicles and not modified.

[1nando]

Sorry, but my Amarok would eat that, with a lightish tare and big tyres, 8spd auto, responsive torquey engine, flex, rear diff lock, etc. But i dont muck around with high tyre pressures.

33" are easy to fit to an Amarok, and you say 35" are easy to fit to a Y62, but the Amarok being so much lighter will have more flotation.

Despite having driven almost every beach between the SA/VIC border and the top of Yorke Peninsula, plus more, plus Big Red, etc, i dont have any great dune climbing videos. However, recently, with almost no run up....
Amarok Yorke Duning. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/b7K5ocglwso)Hows this for the world record, standard;

Nissan Patrol Challenge yet breaks another Guinness World Record - Fastest Sand Dune Climbing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/RRhHt92TwcE)

Not after big tyres and other mods, not many vehicles would do that i reckon

[rammypluge]

FYI Rammy i dont class a y62 as a built for purpose serious off roader but i dont class a amarok as a serious of roader either and not on the same level as a Patrol simply cause of its lack of heritage, small tyres and no low range gearbox. Thats not having a go at you but rather fair and true facts.

Seriously tough offroaders have live axels, decent tyres and excellent low range gearing.

This isnt a serious offroad vid but shows the flex
Medium climb in Appin in the Y62 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Vzz9eLeO04Q)See, thats what i mean, is anyone seriously offroading a Y62? Its a shame, i reckon with the right mods they should go okay.

Rhett's Automotive, flex track, Loveday 4x4 Adventure Park - YouTube (https://youtu.be/TT56RhLYFik)

[rammypluge]

Exactly my point mate. You had to modify it. What do you reckon would happen if i lifted the patrol 2 inches and slipped 35s under it?
I made the statement i made in regards to factory standard vehicles and not modified.No serious offroader goes around in a standard vehicle (unless perhaps its some models of landrover!).

My point was about serious offroad vids. All it takes is one person to seriously offroad a Y62 and vid it.

[1nando]

See, thats what i mean, is anyone seriously offroading a Y62? Its a shame, i reckon with the right mods they should go okay.

Rhett's Automotive, flex track, Loveday 4x4 Adventure Park - YouTube (https://youtu.be/TT56RhLYFik)I simply started a discussion in regards to standard vehicles.
I understand and appreciate your Roks ability but it is whether or not you want to admit it a modified vehcile. It is not standard.

I know there are a few guys on the FB page that run them hard and have them heavily modified but i dont think many modify or seriously use them offroad becuase they are just so nice standard. At the end of the day they are a family bus

[rammypluge]

Y62 Patrol hill climb at Loveday SA. Love the exhaust note at the end. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Eav6IYMRuEY)

[1nando]

If i came home with a ontrak 2 inch lift, 35s and modified it to a level close to that of my previous 110 the mrs would probably kill me...its a compromise vehcile between family bus and capable getaway tourer/4wd

[rammypluge]

Big Red's Y62 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/brBQ0KS3PDM)

[Vern]

See, thats what i mean, is anyone seriously offroading a Y62? Its a shame, i reckon with the right mods they should go okay.

Rhett's Automotive, flex track, Loveday 4x4 Adventure Park - YouTube (https://youtu.be/TT56RhLYFik)Is that seriously offroading an amarok?
Plenty of guys are running these patrols offroad, just not everyone makes videos of themselves!

I have driven both, and believe me, that Rok doesn't come close

[1nando]

So today one of my customers thought he'd try to be smart by talking down my vehicle choice because its not a diesel and being a "thirsty petrol" tried to convince me i should have brought a 200. Mind you this bloke is Toyota biased. He owns a 79 and the mrs drives prado, always bagged my 110 amd hates everything other than yota.

So today maths is my topic of choice;
Ok lets for arguments sake say i use 16 liters per 100km combined average (hasnt been my average but lets assume as per review articles as mine is around 14 combined) and the 200 uses a claimed 12 liters per 100km combined (which it does not).
The extra 4 liters costs me $5.60 per 100km more than the cruiser to get the same milage at $1.40per liter of 95. Then theres the fact that 95 ron petrol is roughly 10 cents dearer compared to diesel in sydeny on average so that adds a further $0.40cents to my 4 liters giving me a total cost of $6 extra per 100kms compared to the cruiser.

Now if i do an average 20,000kms per year and divide that by 100 i get 200 liters as the difference between both vehicles.

200 liters multiplied by an extra $6per liter per 100 kms costs me a total of $1200 more per year to travel the same distance in the Nissan as opposed to the yota.
Now lets factor buy price for a equivalent spec 200, which is difficult as the diesel gxl does not have comprable refinement and comfort.
200 gxl =$95,000k drive away
Patrol ti= $77,000 drive away with $4,000s worth of extras.
Now thats a saving of $18k up front!

Lets look at the years of ownership:
Year 1: ahead
Year 2: ahead
Year 3; ahead
Year 10; still ahead
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Year 15; finally break even.

Did i miss something here? Well yes i did, i forgot resale value. Now after 15 years who knows what both vehicles are worth but then there is the servicing costs of a petrol vs diesel and the resale value almost becomes negligible.

So people will bang on about economy without actually working out their long term costings or ecomonic investment just because it costs less to fill the tank each fill..

Lets just say he wasn't impressed with my answer and in the end just stated; "as if you would buy a petrol v8 4wd". To which i replied; "i like reliability and seeing toyotas in my rear vision mirror" [emoji48][emoji48]

As yoda would say; not impressed he was

[Vern]

Did you offer him the key to take it for a spin?

[1nando]

Did you offer him the key to take it for a spin?I wouldnt evem let him sit in it mate. Would happily offer him a tow though 🤣🤣🤣🤣[emoji6][emoji6]

[1nando]

Completed Sydney to melbourne last night. Left sydney at 3pm in terrible traffic which took over an hour to clear and arrived at Caulfield in melbourne last night at 1.05am.
Made it on 1 tank easy. Did 890kms and trip computer reported 179kms left in tank. Filled up today and can confirm fuel used was 12.75 liters per 100. Average speed was 115-120kms and i gave it plently on a few occasions, combine this with the bumper to bumper traffic which eats a lot of fuel accelerating and stopping and its a very good fuel consumption result i think.

Very happy as there are a lot of hills on this route.

[rammypluge]

So today maths is my topic of choice;
Ok lets for arguments sake say i use 16 liters per 100km combined average (hasnt been my average but lets assume as per review articles as mine is around 14 combined) and the 200 uses a claimed 12 liters per 100km combined (which it does not).
The extra 4 liters costs me $5.60 per 100km more than the cruiser to get the same milage at $1.40per liter of 95. Then theres the fact that 95 ron petrol is roughly 10 cents dearer compared to diesel in sydeny on average so that adds a further $0.40cents to my 4 liters giving me a total cost of $6 extra per 100kms compared to the cruiser.

Now if i do an average 20,000kms per year and divide that by 100 i get 200 liters as the difference between both vehicles.

200 liters multiplied by an extra $6per liter per 100 kms costs me a total of $1200 more per year to travel the same distance in the Nissan as opposed to the yota.
If a Y62 uses petrol at 16L/100km and a 200 Series uses diesel at 12L/100km, the difference is 4L/100km, which adds up to 800L over 20,000km. Hence your figure of approximately $1200 difference over a year.

I just wanted to summarise that for my own clarity. Its not a massive amount of money. Many diesel owners these days spend that much on a tune, which negates the first year of savings.

It would be interesting to work out at what rpm point the Y62 has more power to weight that a 200 Series TD, and for that matter my Amarok. Could be 4000rpm for my Amarok(?).

[rammypluge]

Made it on 1 tank easy. Did 890kms and trip computer reported 179kms left in tank. Filled up today and can confirm fuel used was 12.75 liters per 100. Average speed was 115-120kms and i gave it plently on a few occasions, combine this with the bumper to bumper traffic which eats a lot of ......

A lot of guys in previous generation toyota diesels probably wouldnt have done as well as that.

[rammypluge]

The interest cost on the extra $18,000 to get into a 200 Series TD would also add up to around $1200/year.

[1nando]

If a Y62 uses petrol at 16L/100km and a 200 Series uses diesel at 12L/100km, the difference is 4L/100km, which adds up to 800L over 20,000km. Hence your figure of approximately $1200 difference over a year.

I just wanted to summarise that for my own clarity. Its not a massive amount of money. Many diesel owners these days spend that much on a tune, which negates the first year of savings.

It would be interesting to work out at what rpm point the Y62 has more power to weight that a 200 Series TD, and for that matter my Amarok. Could be 4000rpm for my Amarok(?).All i know is it has 500nm at 1600rpm, 560nm at 4400rpm, 298kws at 5800rpm.

In saying that lets look at 0-100 times;

Patrol 2.8 ton; 6.6 seconds
200 gxl diesel 2.65 tons; 8.2 seconds
Amarok v6 diesel 2.2 tons; 7.9 seconds

Looking at those figures id imagine that the diesels would only have more power upto around 2500rpm roughly and after that the 5.6 liters power just kills them.

[1nando]

If a Y62 uses petrol at 16L/100km and a 200 Series uses diesel at 12L/100km, the difference is 4L/100km, which adds up to 800L over 20,000km. Hence your figure of approximately $1200 difference over a year.

I just wanted to summarise that for my own clarity. Its not a massive amount of money. Many diesel owners these days spend that much on a tune, which negates the first year of savings.

It would be interesting to work out at what rpm point the Y62 has more power to weight that a 200 Series TD, and for that matter my Amarok. Could be 4000rpm for my Amarok(?).Dont get me wrong 800 liters is a lot and yes it equates to $1200. But its really not that much in the whole scheme of things. I buy at least 2 coffees a day at $3.50 each equating to $7 per day every week. Thats $35 per week, $140 per month and $1680 per year.
Your right about diesel owners and power upgrades. Most diesel power upgrades would buy me a lot of fuel and they still wouldnt have the power of the y62.

In saying all this i really do hope the new defender is basically a d4 in slightly different clothes with proper offroad tyres cause if it is and its relaible I'll be back in a defender at the emd of my lease. Ive come to love the Patrol, i really have; but it just doesnt have the character of a landy..... probably cause nothing ever needs fixing [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]or maybe upgrade[emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]regardless its characterless!

[1nando]

Spent a couple of hours washing and cleaning her up today. The bug splatter is bloody hard to clean but it came up a treat.

Must say the new lights really make it look like a completely different vehicle
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/575.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/576.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/577.jpg

[cripesamighty]

One of the guys at work just picked up a TiL model for dirt cheap with a 3yo Nissan Navara as a trade-in. Has had it less than a week and loves it to bits, especially since it is his work issued vehicle and he isn't paying for the fuel! He 'negotiated' with his wife to keep his old clapped out GQ Patrol (3L petrol) as a bush basher for weekend fun and giggles, so I guess he has the best of both worlds.

[Vern]

More detail please. Thoughts??A Gun Metallic one is on its way!

[1nando]

A Gun Metallic one is on its way!Congrats mate. Cant wait for the updates.

[Vern]

Congrats mate. Cant wait for the updates.Updates will be slow, as money comes togethor. Will use what goodies i can transfer off the rangie. Sell my high mount and get a slow mount. Save for a bar, just not sure which one.

[justinc]

Updates will be slow, as money comes togethor. Will use what goodies i can transfer off the rangie. Sell my high mount and get a slow mount. Save for a bar, just not sure which one.

Good riddance to that rok...😎

[Vern]

Good riddance to that rok...[emoji41]Yes, from faultless, to a major fault, pretty crap for 150kk![emoji35]

[1nando]

A Gun Metallic one is on its way!Any update mate??

[1nando]

15,000km update;

So I've just ticked over 15,000kms and i have nothing to report other than it hasnt missed a beat. The vehcile has been rock solid and i cant fault it.

My current economy average is 14 liters per 100kms. I have never reset the gauge since driving it off the showroom floor so thats the average over the 15k. I reckon thats amazing! I use 95 most of the time and every 4th tank or so i put 98 in it. The 98 usually uses 1 liter less per 100kms around town but on the highway i think its closer to 2, but its hars to tell as its almost impossible to replicate the same driving conditions for each tank.

My biggest concern has been the size of the thing. Parking it at the mall or any other car space/park leaves little to no room to open the doors such is the size of the thing. I find that i always try and park next to a column to get as close as possible and leave space to get out.

Loving the refined quiet driving; until i open up the trottle amd release the ponies [emoji48]

[Vern]

Any update mate??Yeah, gun metallic as it turns out was for another customer, so pearl white it is, which is what i really wanted.
Still don't see it for a few weeks.

[Vern]

Out with the old, in with the new!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/06/220.jpg

[ozscott]

I know which one looks the best and its black! Cheers

[1nando]

Out with the old, in with the new!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/06/220.jpgCongrats mate. Looks exactly like mine[emoji6]
How many kms have you put on it already??

[rangieman]

Out with the old, in with the new!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/06/220.jpg
Well done [thumbsupbig] Don`t be a stranger your still welcome here [wink11]

[Vern]

Congrats mate. Looks exactly like mine[emoji6]
How many kms have you put on it already??300km.

[Vern]

Well done [thumbsupbig] Don`t be a stranger your still welcome here [wink11]Yeah I am going to hang around, until i have sold all my rover stuff[emoji6]

[Vern]

I know which one looks the best and its black! CheersLooks can be very deceiving.
It will be for sale soon, as a whole, or in many many parts!

[1nando]

Looks might be but performance and reliability can't!
Looks can be very deceiving.

[Vern]

Looks might be but performance and reliability can't!Yes it has made me realise how **** my rangie is, may as well be a rattley old defender[emoji6]

[ozscott]

Granted! Cheers

[1nando]

Vern, updates?

How u liking the new beast?

[Vern]

Vern, updates?

How u liking the new beast?Well! I had to pry it off my wife! So much for buying myself a new car hey![emoji4].
It's very comfy, heaps of power, heaps of room, eveything works, great fuel economy for what it is, hanging to do some mods like bar and stuff. Haven't had it offroad yet, been a tad busy.

Now I just need to offload all my rover stuff[emoji848]

[1nando]

Well! I had to pry it off my wife! So much for buying myself a new car hey![emoji4].
It's very comfy, heaps of power, heaps of room, eveything works, great fuel economy for what it is, hanging to do some mods like bar and stuff. Haven't had it offroad yet, been a tad busy.

Now I just need to offload all my rover stuff[emoji848]What are u averaging L/100km?

Ive already managed 18,500kms in 7 months and my average has been 14.4 since day 1 according to the computer.

[Vern]

Bang on 14L/100, we have been towing for about 1/4 of the 2000km we have done so far.

[manic]

What if the computer is serving up rosey bullturd. Are you measuring fuel usage at the pump?

I use the MyCars app on android to log fuel/service expenses on my vehicles. The TDI has 11.8 average over 50k, mostly loaded up touring. Lowest 6.9, highest 19

If the Y62 genuinely averages 14 after a good amount of mixed use, that would be a very good score. But Id never be able to acheive that if it sucks down 30+ with the foot down. How can you resist!

[1nando]

I measure at the pump every fill and the computer is excellent!

I wish my fuel gauge was as good however. The thing reads empty on mine and still has 30 liters in the tank. In saying that some might like that its conservative.

I average 17-18 in the eastern suburbs of Sydney with constant stop start traffic and 10-12 On the highway.

Went camping out at gulgong 2 weeks ago and crossed the blue mountains where i was stuck in some horrible traffic, some light 4wding and back to sydney and the pump measurement was 12.89 liters per 100. With myself, a full tank and camping gear i was easily 3.1-3.2 ton. Thats not bad considering when the traffic started to move i blasted past every other loaded diesel fourby....

What if the computer is serving up rosey bullturd. Are you measuring fuel usage at the pump?

I use the MyCars app on android to log fuel/service expenses on my vehicles. The TDI has 11.8 average over 50k, mostly loaded up touring. Lowest 6.9, highest 19

If the Y62 genuinely averages 14 after a good amount of mixed use, that would be a very good score. But Id never be able to acheive that if it sucks down 30+ with the foot down. How can you resist!

[rar110]

Yes it has made me realise how **** my rangie is, may as well be a rattley old defender[emoji6]

Yep I don’t drive the Perentie110 wagon much even though it’s turboed, power steered and sound proofed to death.

Weening myself off it. The L322 tdv8 is just a dream to drive, even though nearing 300k km.

Congrats on the purchase. It looks a very good vehicle for the money.