Y62 patrol

[Vern]

What if the computer is serving up rosey bullturd. Are you measuring fuel usage at the pump?

I use the MyCars app on android to log fuel/service expenses on my vehicles. The TDI has 11.8 average over 50k, mostly loaded up touring. Lowest 6.9, highest 19

If the Y62 genuinely averages 14 after a good amount of mixed use, that would be a very good score. But Id never be able to acheive that if it sucks down 30+ with the foot down. How can you resist!I do the math, it's works out actually less than 14L/100km.

[Ancient Mariner]

Damien I have an 2010 Audi with all the good gear at 250 kph it is on the speed limiter 6 seconds to 100 kph and fuel use in the sevens and very nice to drive My defender might get to 190 kph uses fuel in the fourteens quite some time to 100 k vibrates leaks dust and lets the rain in .The Audi has yet to see 15000 and the Defender has 50000 in the 4 years its been going .So what I am saying is keep the old rattler You will miss it when the novelty wears off[bighmmm]

Noel

[Shoogs]

Thought you may find this of interest...

Nissan Armada Mountain Patrol – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/nissan-armada-mountain-patrol/)

[trout1105]

Thought you may find this of interest...

Nissan Armada Mountain Patrol – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/nissan-armada-mountain-patrol/)

Makes the new D5,s look second rated to me.

[Shoogs]

Makes the new D5,s look second rated to me.

Oh I dont know... I will be in the market for a new vehicle at the end of the year, the new D5 is growing on me...

Expedition Portal Classifieds: Matzker Discovery – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/expedition-portal-classifieds-matzker-discovery/)

[Disco-tastic]

Oh I dont know... I will be in the market for a new vehicle at the end of the year, the new D5 is growing on me...

Expedition Portal Classifieds: Matzker Discovery – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/expedition-portal-classifieds-matzker-discovery/)Hmmmmm... I feel like the patrol would go further, till it ran out of fuel.

[Vern]

Hmmmmm... I feel like the patrol would go further, till it ran out of fuel.Well i think that will stop any vehicle.

[Shoogs]

Hmmmmm... I feel like the patrol would go further, till it ran out of fuel.

The Patrols are quite big which puts me off, petrol/diesel meh... not an issue for me, what is for the D5 is the amount of aftermarket stuff which like most I am waiting to see...

[1nando]

There's nothing as far as i know and arb have nothing planned.
The Patrols are quite big which puts me off, petrol/diesel meh... not an issue for me, what is for the D5 is the amount of aftermarket stuff which like most I am waiting to see...

[Shoogs]

There's nothing as far as i know and arb have nothing planned.

Lucky8 and Matzker doing quite a bit...

[ozscott]

That D5 in 'expedition' mode just looks awful to me. Cheers

[1nando]

Hi guys,

I'm back, thought I'd renew my subscription. Keen to start reading up on the new defender and be part of the community again [emoji109][emoji6]

So I thought I'd share a update on my y62. So far i've done 45,000kms in 1 year and 9 months.

How's it been? Fantastic! Hasn't missed a beat! I've put a TJM explorer bar on, TJM Ultima LED driving lights (unbelievably good, highly recommend), wispbar roof bars and i run a yakima skybox when needed for all our beach gear, ko2s same size as standard and replaced the rear lights with after market ones (looks much better I think).

I've kept the mods practical and minimal considering most of what we do now with the kids is highway miles to get somewhere.

We've taken the mighty y62 to Adelaide, the Barossa valley, the great ocean rd to Melbourne, Philip island, Mildura, dubbo, gundagai, Noosa, Brisbane, gold coast, Byron bay, wagga wagga and some that I've surely forgotten. It's been comfortable , reliable, safe, powerful when I've needed it to be and most importantly just a pleasure to drive.

The average fuel since day dot is 15.4 liters/100kms. I average 18-20 in the eastern suburbs of Sydney in terrible traffic (It's horrendous these days), and 11-12.5 on the highway. Please note that the highway figure is attained at a true gps max speed limit plus some extra k's depending where we are and with the car is fully loaded with family, gear, prams, fridge etc

I always try use 98 octane, however have run 95 on a couple of occasions. I really don't care about the extra 10c a litre and if I can always run 98 when available.

The space in this thing is unbelievable and you start to take it for granted. Friends will come and pick me up to give me a lift to soccer or the pub or whatever and I end up sitting in the back of their car and just think I'm crammed! Lol

This thing is a BEAST, it is by far the best vehicle I've owned. Most underrated 4wd in Australia by a country mile in my opinion!

There it is gents, 45,000km review.
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[Vern]

Loving ours too. 35kkm, not one issue, love the power and ease of driving. 13.2L/100 average since new, pretty happy with that.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Really happy you guys are having a great run with the big Nissans,,, [smilebigeye]

[justinc]

Good news!! I would say that if we weren't going to be towing big loads, then I probably would've gone through with it!

[scarry]

ARB have recently released a Bull Bar for the latest generation Y62.

Yet they have no interest at all in the D5.

[Vern]

Good news!! I would say that if we weren't going to be towing big loads, then I probably would've gone through with it!A lot are buying them just for towing, and loving it from what I read.

[1nando]

ARB have recently released a Bull Bar for the latest generation Y62.

Yet they have no interest at all in the D5.The D5 it too complicated, some will use the word sophisticated instead but the reality is that they are more at home in the city than out. I'd imagine ARB probably sat down thought about it and said not worth the investment as a result.

You can get pretty much anything you want for a y62 now, so that is a big plus.

[1nando]

A lot are buying them just for towing, and loving it from what I read.On the FB page there are many people who use them for towing, some have come from 200s and all are mighty impressed with the 62. More grunt, no slipping torque converter and similar economy

[justinc]

Wasn't the fuel economy mostly for me. I have a van with 250kg ball weight, and sometimes tow car trailers for work that would easily approach 350. Having to fit polyair bags to a new vehicle was a small, but annoying fact. The lack of a decent stability control program specifically tailored to towing when trailer is attached also put me off. The rangie has the edge in all those departments, however as you remember it WAS a very close decision. I like them, but the RR suited all my needs.

[1nando]

Wasn't the fuel economy mostly for me. I have a van with 250kg ball weight, and sometimes tow car trailers for work that would easily approach 350. Having to fit polyair bags to a new vehicle was a small, but annoying fact. The lack of a decent stability control program specifically tailored to towing when trailer is attached also put me off. The rangie has the edge in all those departments, however as you remember it WAS a very close decision. I like them, but the RR suited all my needs.Out of curiosity what is the RR's GVM?
Reason I ask is because the best stability control one can have is to ensure the vehcile towing the van is as heavy or heavier then the load being towed, and the patrol has a 3500kg gvm.

[scarry]

Interesting Y62 info here.

2020 Nissan Patrol photos leaked - Pat Callinan's 4X4 Adventures (https://mr4x4.com.au/2020-nissan-patrol-photos-leaked/?acid=381a1914067e147c176823dd93604d2c&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2020+Nissan+Patrol+photos+%2B+Toyota+H iLux+and+Ford+Ranger+dominate+new+car+sales&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23277+%28Weekly%29)

[Arapiles]

I'm thinking of selling my 2014 D4 HSE as it's cost me about $8k in repairs in the last few months, and it's always been properly serviced.

I know that a few people here have or had Y62s - any reliability issues to report?

[shack]

Just remember that if you don't want to spend money on a car in repairs, 2 wheel drives are the way to go.

I met 2 guys with late model y62's and they went on about how brilliant they were, definitely get one they said... Then followed by " but don't buy model X, oh and if you get model Y you'll need to change this and this... But with the model Z all we had to do was..... And don't forget to update....."

All 4wds cost money to keep maintained.

One that is the cheapest would be an 80 series, and they only use 15-16 litres per hundred for the diesel when not towing.. The petrols? You wouldn't want to know!

You will however save a lot of money on speeding fines!

[Arapiles]

One that is the cheapest would be an 80 series, and they only use 15-16 litres per hundred for the diesel when not towing.. The petrols? You wouldn't want to know!

You will however save a lot of money on speeding fines!


80 series Land Cruisers with under 250,000 km are going for between $50k and up to $90k ...... lower prices mean over 300,000km.

I drove an 80 series in PNG and frankly those prices are insane.

[shack]

80 series Land Cruisers with under 250,000 km are going for between $50k and up to $90k ...... lower prices mean over 300,000km.

I drove an 80 series in PNG and frankly those prices are insane.Oh yes, agreed... They are horrid to drive and travel in.

But they would definitely be one of the cheapest to maintain!

A Prado may also be ok, in fact I know of some that feel they are a nicer vehicle to travel in than a 200 series.

[sharmy]

I'm thinking of selling my 2014 D4 HSE as it's cost me about $8k in repairs in the last few months, and it's always been properly serviced.

I know that a few people here have or had Y62s - any reliability issues to report?

A recent post on the dedicated owners section of the caravanners forum ( Nissan ) shows there may be gearbox problems if used for towing.

[Vern]

A recent post on the dedicated owners section of the caravanners forum ( Nissan ) shows there may be gearbox problems if used for towing.There MAY, but there's not, definitely no worse than any other make. Just service it like any other auto.
Plus who believes what's said on a Caravanners forum[emoji1]

[Vern]

Just remember that if you don't want to spend money on a car in repairs, 2 wheel drives are the way to go.

I met 2 guys with late model y62's and they went on about how brilliant they were, definitely get one they said... Then followed by " but don't buy model X, oh and if you get model Y you'll need to change this and this... But with the model Z all we had to do was..... And don't forget to update....."

All 4wds cost money to keep maintained.

One that is the cheapest would be an 80 series, and they only use 15-16 litres per hundred for the diesel when not towing.. The petrols? You wouldn't want to know!

You will however save a lot of money on speeding fines!Hmmm, pre feb 2013 had timing chain issues, nothing after that, so I don't know what they are talking about.

Diesel 80 series is more thirsty than my V8 patrol[emoji1]

[shack]

Hmmm, pre feb 2013 had timing chain issues, nothing after that, so I don't know what they are talking about.

Diesel 80 series is more thirsty than my V8 patrol[emoji1]Sorry, I have no other info, they could have been full of it..I really don't know!

I guess anyone that tries to take a petrol V8 outback as far as they did could be questioned as to sanity.... Although it was funny to watch them flying along past everyone, only to have to double back for fuel when they realised they wouldn't make it!! Ironically wasting more fuel in the process, they seemed pretty cranky about that.

[Melbourne Park]

Sorry, I have no other info, they could have been full of it..I really don't know!

I guess anyone that tries to take a petrol V8 outback as far as they did could be questioned as to sanity.... Although it was funny to watch them flying along past everyone, only to have to double back for fuel when they realised they wouldn't make it!! Ironically wasting more fuel in the process, they seemed pretty cranky about that.

Just add a long ranger tank, which adds 80 litres. A current LC 300 has 110 litres, 200 138 litres. The Patrol has 140 so add 80 and it would be 220 litres. If towing at 25 litres / 100km, 210 litres (10 litre sneeze factor) would get you



Type
Used
To Use
Range


Y62
25
210
840


LC200
18
128
711


D4
15
80
533


These preceding figures show range of a Y62 at 25 litres/100km compared to a 200 series diesel and a D4 LR all towing. Some tests also portray the Y62 as using even less than a 200 series towing a 3 tonne van. But the driver is important and to get decent fuel economy on a Y62 would require slowing down on hill climbs IMO, hence not so relaxing and you'd have to think about it. But it's took of one way to stay awake!

10 litre for sneeze factor and with a diesel, you cannot run it empty due to likely bottom tank contaminants, you can with the petrol.

There is also a Long Ranger tank that will remove the spare tyre, same for the D4 etc, in the Y62 it adds an extra 152 litres to the 140.

As to weights: here is a list of the weights. And advantage with LR is no need to add air springs to the rear axle. And air springs add some weight. Most towing Landcruisers have GVM upgrades, which ruin their around town ride (they must IMO).

Some raw numbers showing the payloads of vehicles able to tow:




Type
Vehicle
Gross
Braked
Kerb
Gross
Calc'd






Comb
Tow
Weight
Vehicle
Pay






Mass
Limit


Mass
load






kg
kg
kg
kg
kg


4 Dr Troopy
Toyota LC79 GXL 4-Door V8
6800
3500
2175
3300
1125


4 Dr Troopy
Toyota LC76 GXL 4-Door 4
6560
3500
2265
3060
795


















aUte
Toyota Hilux SR5 UTE
5850
3500
2093
3050
957


aUte
Ford Ranger Sport V6 UTE
6400
3500
2400
3350
950


















SUV
INEOS Grenadier Petrol
7000
3500
2665
3550
885


SUV
INEOS Grenadier Diesel
7000
3500
2740
3550
810


SUV
GWM Tank 500
6705
3000
2605
3395
790


SUV
Toyota LC300 GX
6750
3500
2495
3280
785


SUV
Defender X-Dynamic SE 7
6775
3500
2506
3280
774


SUV
Defender X-Dynamic SE 5
6700
3500
2436
3200
764


SUV
Toyota LC 200 GX 2021
6850
3500
2640
3350
710


SUV
Toyota LC 300 GXL
6750
3500
2580
3280
700


SUV
Ford Everest Sport V6
6250
3500
2455
3150
695


SUV
Nissan Patrol Ti
7000
3500
2812
3500
688


SUV
Ford Everest Platinum V6
6250
3500
2499
3150
651


SUV
Toyota LC 300 Sahara
6750
3500
2630
3280
650


SUV
Nissan Patrol Ti-L
7000
3500
2861
3500
639


SUV
Prado GXL
6600
3500
2535
3150
615


SUV
Toyota LC 200 Sahara 2019
6850
3500
2740
3350
610


SUV
Prado 250 VX
6600
3500
2570
3180
610


SUV
Prado Base GX
6600
3500
2495
3100
605


SUV
Prado Kakadu
6600
3500
2595
3200
605


SUV
Lexus GX 550
6650
3500
2515
3110
595


SUV
Prado Altitude
6600
3500
2520
3100
580


Incidentally the Tank is quite good off road, luxo inside, but is not suitable for towing as its a hybrid and it depends on its battery power for adequate performance, while the battery power is not there while distance towing.a

The Prado has been disabled IMO by putting in metal doors and thereby increasing its weight a lot, otherwise it would have competed with the LC 300 quite well IMO, although its engine and ad-blue are severe negatives IMO. Nonetheless it benefits from "serviceability" in remote areas.

Also Land Rover never have lost their patent on pushing the unlifted tyre downwards in off road mode via air pressure from the parallel tyre. They are linked front to back in high range. Meanwhile the Y62 links the front to the rear I think all the time with hydraulics, a system I do not fully understand. But IMO they are very good off road compared to other vehicles in standard form (excepting LR, Ineos and GR LC 300 probably) except for the Y62's bulk. The Y63 will have air suspension and a turbo V6, I imagine it will be more fuel efficient except if one uses its power.

Now if you add 2 adults that's 160kg, plus two children that's 90kg, = 250kg. 639 => 389. The fuel tank would weigh 40kg, so 349 left, not including the 80 litres of fuel = 60kg =>289 kg. Take a bull bar off that @ 45kg =>244kg.

Now you if you added a 2.5 tonne van to that, will that would add 250 kg, which means your illegal. Not including the weight of the tow bar. Plus some clothing and drinks in the Y62. Add levelling air springs for safety, and you add more weight.

Add a fridge @ 40kg + battery at 30 kg + wires plus a rear view camera all up 15 kg its another 85 kg and then some light weight draw with some tools in them and its another 50kg. ... you've lost your insurance and you're breaking the law.

Yet - it's all quite close to being legal. Running with the 2nd tank empty, you'd have 244 kg. That's hopefully a 2.4 tonne van. Annoyingly though, it would be safer if it was 280 kg - weight on the rear for a van is a good thing. Put it down the back of the van and things are much less safe ... so the tow ball weight issue is fraught with safety issues where a rear weight biased trailer is more dangerous but legal while a safer weight bias is illegal.

I wonder if makers don't do this deliberately, to make it difficult to use the vehicle for what they market them for - long country driving and towing along with some things and people inside the vehicle. Maybe its lawyers, actuaries and warranty number crunchers who have sat down and said lets make it difficult for an Australian tow vehicle to tow a 3.5 tonne caravan with a four people in it legally. And the proof is in the pudding ...

[Melbourne Park]

....
A mistake with the figures below: most obviously, the V8 70 series figure is the 4 cylinder auto's, and vice versa. The V8 is much heavier, and there might be other reasons why the 4 has much more carrying capacity.




Type
Vehicle
Gross
Braked
Kerb
Gross
Calc'd






Comb
Tow
Weight
Vehicle
Pay






Mass
Limit


Mass
load






kg
kg
kg
kg
kg


4 Dr Troopy
Toyota LC79 GXL 4-Door V8
6800
3500
2175
3300
1125


4 Dr Troopy
Toyota LC76 GXL 4-Door 4
6560
3500
2265
3060
795












Another issue: Toyota's figures are wrong. They do not tell the truth about their kerb weight. The only thing to do is ensure one weighs a vehicle they are considering buying. I had a Lexus weighed, and it was 100kg over its claimed weight. But its manuals did not list its kerb or tare weight. I found something on the net about its weight, which was the same as what internet car selling sites specify. But the real weight was entirely different.

[scarry]

Another issue: Toyota's figures are wrong. They do not tell the truth about their kerb weight. The only thing to do is ensure one weighs a vehicle they are considering buying. I had a Lexus weighed, and it was 100kg over its claimed weight. But its manuals did not list its kerb or tare weight. I found something on the net about its weight, which was the same as what internet car selling sites specify. But the real weight was entirely different.

The guy who owns Cruismaster weighed his brand new LC300,and it was within 5 KG of the published weights.
His new Defender was 160KG over,and LR were not that helpfull.After many emails they came back with some BS excuse.He moved it on anyway.

I don't believe the LC200 published weights are very accurate though.....
Should have weighed ours when it was new but didn't.It is now 3.2T on the scales at the dump.Has a 3820Kg upgrade,which is ideal for what we do and tow.I noticed the sticker on the B pillar says 7200Kg GCM,which i hadn't noticed before.
Our old D4 was around 2900Kg with similar accessories,but a lot less fuel.

Back to your earlier post,the D4 won't have a usable 80L,more like around 70 to 75.
L300 also has a few different aftermarket tanks that replace the sub tank,spare tyre stays where it is.(same as new Prado.)I bet it won't be long before there is one available for the Lexus.
One manufacturer has a 90L,so usable of around 200L total.

EDIT:this is a pretty good review,and he weighs the vehicle,it is spot on with the specs.

https://youtu.be/Xj20rrgQMQk'si=rtZ7GmPWz5uHF50I

[Tombie]

Diesel tanks pump from bottom so no contamination issue.

Why is your D4 not showing a LR tank in your calcs?

That'll do for now!

[BradC]

I've never managed to get my head around this "don't run it down you'll pick up all the sediment". Tanks slop around all the time, anything in there will wind up on the pump screen or in the filter eventually. Even on my old mans 65 TR4A.

Aside from the "reserve" on a bike, I've never seen a tank that didn't pump from the bottom.

The 84L tank in the D3 is about 82L usable, and I've put 83L in it a couple of times. I assume the D4 tank is the same.

[Tins]

Love to see someone putting an action cam in a tank. There'd be more waves than at Bell's Beach.

[scarry]

The 84L tank in the D3 is about 82L usable, and I've put 83L in it a couple of times. I assume the D4 tank is the same.

76L was the most i ever got in mine,but i didn't ever run it out until it stopped.

[BradC]

76L was the most i ever got in mine,but i didn't ever run it out until it stopped.

I've done that twice. It doesn't actually stop as such. The car enters a "I think you've taken this far enough" mode and pulses the power until you give up and shut it down, or roll into the servo. I've done one of each. Both times I put more than 83 litres in the tank. I've run it down to 83L a couple of times (bad planning) without issue.

[Tins]

The car enters a "I think you've taken this far enough" mode

Nothing new there. My D2 does that, not always fuel related.

[Melbourne Park]

Diesel tanks pump from bottom so no contamination issue.

Why is your D4 not showing a LR tank in your calcs?

That'll do for now!

I'll have to check ... I may have included my caravan's (AOR Matrix V3) 4 Jerry holders, so it can carry an extra 80 litres, but its difficult to fill the Disco with them, my attempts have resulted in diesel all over my jeans with my wife complaining about being able to wash them!! I now have a shaker hose and would use a folding table, but haven't tried it.

Also my D4 is overweight now I think, because my tow ball is 320 kg and that is with diesel tanks filled in the rear of the caravan, and non in the front. I had thought the handbooks claiming not to count 150kg of the tow ball weight was real, but it's not.

On range while towing the 2.5 tonne van, I now get around 450 - 540 km estimated. So I think from mid 13's to high 16s. My economy used to be better with the standard tyres, but when I went to 65 profile on the 18" wheels, the economy fell ie i used more litres per 100km.

[austastar]

Hi,
Have you considered a Tanimi pump?
Cheers https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250406/b110c59112d83afb53cc906924a1a307.jpg

[Melbourne Park]

Hi,
Have you considered a Tanimi pump?
Cheers https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250406/b110c59112d83afb53cc906924a1a307.jpg

No that looks cool! But if I get a Y62 Patrol, I don't think it would be a good idea.

[scarry]

I'll have to check ... I may have included my caravan's (AOR Matrix V3) 4 Jerry holders, so it can carry an extra 80 litres, but its difficult to fill the Disco with them, my attempts have resulted in diesel all over my jeans with my wife complaining about being able to wash them!! I now have a shaker hose and would use a folding table, but haven't tried it.

.

Putting Jerrys into our Disco 4,i found a wheely bin was the perfect height to put the Jerry on,using a funnel as well as a spout on the Jerry can.

That is if there is a wheely bin around.

If not,then by the time i was onto the second jerry,a bit of help was good,usually from the wife.