Discover 4 Suspension

[Miffy]

Hi there,

The Landrover specialist in South Africa where I lived until earlier this year installed a program into my Disco 3 which allowed me to change the height of the car when going offroad to give me an extra 50mm lift. Since I returned back home to Melbourne I bought a disco 4 and would like to do the same thing.

While doing some research on the internet I stumbled upon Land Rover Passion (http://www.landroverpassion.com/en/) who do an app and module to do this and I was wondering if any anybody had any experience with it or could advise on alternatives preferably locally made.

Thanks in advance.

[plusnq]

I use this one and it is very popular

IIDTool - Gap Diagnostic (https://www.gap-diagnostic.com/products/iidtool/)

[veebs]

Do a search for LLAMS if you want a locally built, hardware based option

Otherwise the IID tool can give similar functionality, and might be fine for occasional use

[101RRS]

Go for LLAMs - designed by a member on here - support local when you can.

Works with the twist of a knob - not need to plug anything in etc.

Garry

[Miffy]

Thanks for the quick response. I'll look into these options.

[Graeme]

The Landrover specialist in South Africa where I lived until earlier this year installed a program into my Disco 3 which allowed me to change the height of the car when going offroad to give me an extra 50mm lift.Was the LR specialist Torqtune? They sell/install my Llams kits.

[letherm]

The LLAMS is a great piece of kit and I considered buying it very seriously as I already had a Nanocom for diagnostics etc. However, I ended up buying a GAP Diagnostic IID Tool Bluetooth version as it provided me with the functionality of the LLAMS plus the convenience of use by an app on my phone via Bluetooth. My main use is to lower the car to allow better access for my disabled wife. With the IID Tool I can lower it to bump stops and it is very low. I could not do this efficiently ( that is quickly) with the Nanocom which was important to me as I am usually needing to drop swmbo off where people are waiting behind me. You can set up three heights to use plus default. I sold the Nanocom to a member here and recouped some of it's cost. IMHO, if you don't have a diagnostic tool already the IID Tool is the way to go as it gives you much greater functionality.

Martin

[DiscoJeffster]

If I was raising and lowering regularly I’d probably have invested in the LLAMS. As I only play when travelling to stop the wretched “slow down or ill lower and **** you off”, the inconvenience of loading up the IiD app etc is ok. Horses for courses

[ATH]

I was out playing in the sand yesterday (and getting bogged) and lifted the "D" to get the guts off the floor. Then a message came up on the dash saying that for further lift I should press the height altering button and put foot on brake and it worked. There was another message which said to lower the vehicle asap after use. I presume this was to avoid extra strain on CVs etc?
AlanH.

[DiscoJeffster]

I was out playing in the sand yesterday (and getting bogged) and lifted the "D" to get the guts off the floor. Then a message came up on the dash saying that for further lift I should press the height altering button and put foot on brake and it worked. There was another message which said to lower the vehicle asap after use. I presume this was to avoid extra strain on CVs etc?
AlanH.

In extended / super extended height the vehicle is less stable and yes, probably risks other damage. It’s meant to be temporary only.

[letherm]

If I was raising and lowering regularly I’d probably have invested in the LLAMS. As I only play when travelling to stop the wretched “slow down or ill lower and **** you off”, the inconvenience of loading up the IiD app etc is ok. Horses for courses

I just leave my IID Tool plugged in all the time using a flat ribbon extension cable so there isn't any chance of kicking it with my foot. It's then a simple tap on the phone to load the app and a few clicks to get into height control and do what I want. Usually I load the app and navigate to where I want in the app before I leave so it's then just 2 clicks to lower to bump stops. The longest time taken is connecting the app to your car as it verifies all the files but even that's not a long time even from scratch. GAP recommend not leaving the tool connected to avoid battery drain if you don't disconnect the app as it will keep polling to try and find your phone if you're not in range. I simply stop the app and then disconnect the app and have had absolutely zero issue with it. It's actually quicker if you use the regular height function but I don't find this way a problem. Yes, I agree that the LLAMS would be quicker but this is out weighed by the added functionality of the IID Tool.

But as you say, it's horses for courses. [smilebigeye]

Martin

[LRD414]

It’s not an either/or decision between Llams and iiD.

I have both and use the iiD regularly to check live values and occasionally for service tasks and fault reading/clearing. I much prefer the convenience of Llams for extra suspension height control. However, I’m not disagreeing with Martin or Jeff, just clarifying what the options are.

When I was researching/buying the iiD was nowhere near as easy to use with suspension control and that’s another reason to get one, their commitment to improvement is excellent. But I would still get both iiD and Llams if doing it all again now.

Cheers,
Scott

[letherm]

It’s not an either/or decision between Llams and iiD.

I have both and use the iiD regularly to check live values and occasionally for service tasks and fault reading/clearing. I much prefer the convenience of Llams for extra suspension height control. However, I’m not disagreeing with Martin or Jeff, just clarifying what the options are.

When I was researching/buying the iiD was nowhere near as easy to use with suspension control and that’s another reason to get one, their commitment to improvement is excellent. But I would still get both iiD and Llams if doing it all again now.

Cheers,
Scott

Ideally, I'd rather have both for sure, but for me, I couldn't really justify the expense of both to the treasurer so opted for the IID for reasons the already stated. Lucky man, Scott, to have both. [smilebigeye]

Martin

[Miffy]

Thanks Again all. The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said. Will have a much closer look at the options you noted over Xmas and make a decision. The other reason I'm looking at this is I've just installed the ARB bulbar and winch and think the car is sitting lower due to the weight. Will also be adding stuff on the back so this will also effect height. Then to compensate when I'm offroad in rocky rutted terrain I'd use superlift.
The 4WD specialists I used were Twin Landy in Retreat.

[DiscoJeffster]

Thanks Again all. The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said. Will have a much closer look at the options you noted over Xmas and make a decision. The other reason I'm looking at this is I've just installed the ARB bulbar and winch and think the car is sitting lower due to the weight. Will also be adding stuff on the back so this will also effect height. Then to compensate when I'm offroad in rocky rutted terrain I'd use superlift.
The 4WD specialists I used were Twin Landy in Retreat.

Hi mate. The suspension will level itself to additional weight so you should not see it affect the stance. If you are it could be your eyes, or you might find the suspension needs a calibration. Over time it will get a little skew and either the dealer, or you, if you had an IID tool could recalibrate it and make it nice and level again. Mine had a pronounced left lean and slant when I bought it, which I rectified with my IID tool. The thing had been serviced at a main dealer all its life and they’d seemingly never done it, even with them doing regular wheel alignments. [emoji849]

[BobD]

Thanks Again all. The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said. Will have a much closer look at the options you noted over Xmas and make a decision. The other reason I'm looking at this is I've just installed the ARB bulbar and winch and think the car is sitting lower due to the weight. Will also be adding stuff on the back so this will also effect height. Then to compensate when I'm offroad in rocky rutted terrain I'd use superlift.
The 4WD specialists I used were Twin Landy in Retreat.

The car keeps a constant height, no matter what weight is added. That is the beauty of self leveling air suspension. You also have the off road height button to raise it 50mm at speeds up to about 50kph. Above that and the car will lower to normal height. Llams means that you can use the off road height at any speed and also gives you easy access to extra height if you use Llams +50 with the built in off road height provided by the D4.

Read the FAQ's at the start of the D4 area and you will find out all of the stuff your car can do as standard and some of the after market add ons that can make it even better.

[Ferret]

... The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said.

The "extra height" ATH was taking about is not available to you on demand. Only if the vehicle has detected it has bellied out (ie already bogged) will it offer a further increase in height (super extended height) over and above 'off road height'.

You can trick it into going into super extended height (when not bogged) but it's not particularly convenient to do so.

[letherm]

If you only need occasional sustained extra height it may also be worth considering rods instead. Sold by a member on this forum. Here's a link. They are called "Height Sensor Rods" and are shown under EAS products down the page in the first link. Could be a cheaper, viable alternative if you're only looking for height adjustments. A lot of people here have them.

Green Oval Experience info, tyres, off road training (http://www.greenovalexperience.com/online-shop)

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Martin

[Graeme]

Ideally, I'd rather have both for sure, but for me, I couldn't really justify the expense of both to the treasurer so opted for the IID for reasons the already stated.
I maintain that one should always get a diagnostic tool first unless the vehicle is rushed off to the dealers for any hiccup.