Nice 130 on portals

[rijidij]

I just had a customer enquiry from a guy in France.
I thought I'd share a picture of his 130 which looks pretty awesome on portals and big tyres.

Cheers, Murray

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[86mud]

Stop showing pictures like that...I get too many ideas running through my head

[rijidij]

Stop showing pictures like that...I get too many ideas running through my head

Tell me about it, my head nearly exploded the other day when I was working on my County, so many ideas, but not enough hours in the day, or $$$ in the project fund. [emoji1]

[VladTepes]

Well that is awesome. Plenty of $$$ there for sure !

I like those grilles but they are as dear as poison. (might have mixed a metaphor there?)


Looks like he does need a rear carrier though !

[rijidij]

Well that is awesome. Plenty of $$$ there for sure !

I like those grilles but they are as dear as poison. (might have mixed a metaphor there?)


Looks like he does need a rear carrier though !

You can definitely see the $$$ oozing from it.
And he is looking for a wheel carrier [emoji16]

[In A Landy Down Under]

Ive never seen or heard of 'portals' before. Can anyone give me a brief overview?

I think the wheels look bloody amazing.....id love to put these on mine when I next change tyres & wheels. But from what I can see it wont be quite as easy as that.

[rijidij]

Ive never seen or heard of 'portals' before. Can anyone give me a brief overview?

I think the wheels look bloody amazing.....id love to put these on mine when I next change tyres & wheels. But from what I can see it wont be quite as easy as that.

Portal axles basically have a small gearbox at each end which drops the wheels by several inches, so the vehicle will be lifted even if you retain the standard suspension. They are especially good for gaining clearance under the diffs.

[rijidij]

Bolt-on portals - Tibus Offroad - (http://www.tibus-offroad.com/en/products/bolt-on-portals/)

[uninformed]

There is plenty of threads on AULRO regarding portals. There have been and still some members within Aus that have portals on their Land Rovers. Some great experiences some not so great.

[In A Landy Down Under]

Portal axles basically have a small gearbox at each end which drops the wheels by several inches, so the vehicle will be lifted even if you retain the standard suspension. They are especially good for gaining clearance under the diffs.

Thanks rijidij. Sounds great, and the TIBUS gear looks awesome. Looks very expensive though, probably out of my budget (read: much less important than my other, already long mods list[bigsmile])

[86mud]

It's about a $20k investment and there is still no guarantee that they will last in Australian conditions. As Uninformed said, one member on here had a set but had issues with breakages. There is another 130 running around Europe with a set and has never had a problem. I think they are fine for touring, but not hardcore offroading. Mercedes Benz Unimog portal axles are better suited to the hardcore stuff.

Getting through Qld Transport would be another headache (other states may differ)

[strangy]

Hey Murray, i reckon there is probably a market for that sort of front bar too if you were considering expanding your range.

[rijidij]

Hey Murray, i reckon there is probably a market for that sort of front bar too if you were considering expanding your range.

I’ve scrutinised that bar in the picture, it does look pretty good. Maybe I’ll build one for my project vehicle I’m working on and see how it goes.

[86mud]

Murray, while your brain matter is churning around, where/how could the Tibus spare wheel be mounted on the rear of a 130 HCPU tub? I know you make the swing away carrier, but I think the wheel/tyre size combo might call for something a little more radical.

[tact]

Portals being "modelled", i.e. posed right side up and wrong side up to give a clear view of the concept. [biggrin]

Note the dropped wheel centres relative to the axle centreline. (when right side up)


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[rijidij]

Murray, while your brain matter is churning around, where/how could the Tibus spare wheel be mounted on the rear of a 130 HCPU tub? I know you make the swing away carrier, but I think the wheel/tyre size combo might call for something a little more radical.

Please don't stir my brain matter any more than it already is..........too many ideas and not enough time, or hands :wallbash: [biggrin]

This guy is looking at the single swing away carrier. I'm waiting on more specs of the wheel tyre combo to see what's involved, such as weight, offset, stud pattern etc. They are big units. The carrier is pretty strong, but we might be pushing the limits.

Cheers, Murray

[Don 130]

Portals being "modelled", i.e. posed right side up and wrong side up to give a clear view of the concept. [biggrin]

Note the dropped wheel centres relative to the axle centreline. (when right side up)


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Neil, what breed is that upside-down thing?
Don.

[Shoogs]

Neil, what breed is that upside-down thing?
Don.

Tamiya... bit hard to get into though... unless your 50mm tall.

[tact]

Tamiya... bit hard to get into though... unless your 50mm tall.

Don't know if its a Tamiya model (not my pic), but certainly not a "full size" vehicle. [bigwhistle]

[Shoogs]

Don't know if its a Tamiya model (not my pic), but certainly not a "full size" vehicle. [bigwhistle]

Pity, I quite like the trailing arm set up...

[tact]

Pity, I quite like the trailing arm set up...

...it does look like a neat setup. May not scale well to full size vehicles tho...(?)

[Pateyw]

There is plenty of threads on AULRO regarding portals. There have been and still some members within Aus that have portals on their Land Rovers. Some great experiences some not so great.

I must be be one of the lucky ones I guess.
I have had my tibus portals on my 130 for 7-1/2 years now with no issues.
Its been all over Australia and many places in between and going hard.

[uninformed]

...it does look like a neat setup. May not scale well to full size vehicles tho...(?)

Double triangulated 4 link. Can be very very good if the packaging allows it.

[uninformed]

I must be be one of the lucky ones I guess.
I have had my tibus portals on my 130 for 7-1/2 years now with no issues.
Its been all over Australia and many places in between and going hard.

This is great to hear. Which version did you get?

[86mud]

and how did you go getting them engineered?

Pictures please!

[86mud]

So...I may have send Mr Wolfgang Tibus an email last night...and the reply was:

"the price for the Portals for the Defender 130 is 12800 Euro excl. tax + shipping
The 16x8" double bead lock wheel is 680 Euro each excl. tax and the fender flares are 600 as a set of 4.
I do not know how much the freight will be but I guess around 500 Euro."

Ouch! Current conversion puts the portals at AU$20k (for the set of 4), the wheels at AU$1050 each and the flares at AU$925

Not sure of the tax rate on each of these, then there is freight at around AU$800

Then there are tyres (315/75 R16), fabrication and engineering. [bawl][bawl][bawl]

[VladTepes]

It'll be tax free at the export end, but you'll get hit by the Aus government when they arrive.

I don't think there's duty on car parts any more but there is the 10% GST (and thats paid including the freight cost!) .

So lets say you get the portals, 4 flashy wheels and the flares - the taxman will hit you with a bill for around $2,500. So that's some extra ouch ! Brings it up to around AUD $27,500.

You can get a whole kickarse Defender for that !

[Pateyw]

Also add hydroboost or larger brake master cylinder ,as the standard cylinder doesn't have the braking capability for the larger brakes.
also allow for braces to the portals,l didn't like Wolfgangs bracing .
if you go the 5" portals you will need to change your transfer case gearing to 1.003 to bring back to normal for on road use .
my portals were the prototypes not the ones Wolfgang is producing now.
very happy with them .

[rijidij]

It'll be tax free at the export end, but you'll get hit by the Aus government when they arrive.

I don't think there's duty on car parts any more but there is the 10% GST (and thats paid including the freight cost!) .

So lets say you get the portals, 4 flashy wheels and the flares - the taxman will hit you with a bill for around $2,500. So that's some extra ouch ! Brings it up to around AUD $27,500.

You can get a whole kickarse Defender for that !

If I had the spare funds to spend $25,000 + on some accessories / mods for my car, I don't think I would be too worried about factoring in the 10% GST.............BUT, I definitely haven't got that sort of $$$ to throw at my car anyway [bawl], so it's not something I'll be dealing with any time soon [biggrin]

Cheers, Murray

[101 Ron]

A friend of mine picked a very neat and tidy low k 6x6 Pinzgauser for 22k
Not worth the trouble.

[uninformed]

A friend of mine picked a very neat and tidy low k 6x6 Pinzgauser for 22k
Not worth the trouble.

IMO completely different vehicles and VERY different to drive and what they would do. ALL good though.

Im not a fan of the Tibus portals, but cant deny the fact they are making some owners very happy.

Best portal'd rover ive seen was the same height as my 2.5 inch lifted defender. And the portals gave 5 inches of lift. Both had the same height tyres.

[blackrangie]

I believe the portals have been redesigned over the years, horror stories for first design, but havent heard much from latest design. Anyone heard any different?

[Pateyw]

I believe the portals have been redesigned over the years, horror stories for first design, but havent heard much from latest design. Anyone heard any different?p

The first portals tibus made I have ,they are the prototype he developed for Robert with the 130 Rhino in Germany.
They are the steel box 5" low geared .
Tibus then went on and made the 2nd lot out of alloy and 4" normal gearing.
These portals are the ones we heard so much about the failures of from a previous member.
Now there is the 3rd generation portals of which I have heard nothing about there performance.

[blackrangie]

p

The first portals tibus made I have ,they are the prototype he developed for Robert with the 130 Rhino in Germany.
They are the steel box 5" low geared .
Tibus then went on and made the 2nd lot out of alloy and 4" normal gearing.
These portals are the ones we heard so much about the failures of from a previous member.
Now there is the 3rd generation portals of which I have heard nothing about there performance.Feedback on 3rd gen..certainly look good!

[67hardtop]

Tamiya... bit hard to get into though... unless your 50mm tall.
Its a Traxxas trx4. Ive got one

Cheers Rod

[rijidij]

There’s a guy in Vic who built his own portals, for a hybrid Landy years ago. The main thing I remember him telling me about them was he used the gears from Series 3 gearboxes (might have been the transfer gears). He’s a clever guy. He also worked on another LROCV members hybrid with a unique suspension setup which ended up winning Modified 4wd of the year.

[uninformed]

There’s a guy in Vic who built his own portals, for a hybrid Landy years ago. The main thing I remember him telling me about them was he used the gears from Series 3 gearboxes (might have been the transfer gears). He’s a clever guy. He also worked on another LROCV members hybrid with a unique suspension setup which ended up winning Modified 4wd of the year.

Thats Bill. Amazing 4x4 mechanical mind and ability to make stuff. He was a member here a time ago.

[Don 130]

There’s a guy in Vic who built his own portals, for a hybrid Landy years ago. The main thing I remember him telling me about them was he used the gears from Series 3 gearboxes (might have been the transfer gears). He’s a clever guy. He also worked on another LROCV members hybrid with a unique suspension setup which ended up winning Modified 4wd of the year.

That's Bill Larman AKA Bill Van Snorkel. (Wagoo on here)
And this is his Rover.135104
And here in action.<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MM0oE0q7648" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The other was a 6x6 which I heard got burnt but that's not confirmed Bill Van Snorkle&#39;s 6x6 Land Rover Series - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZuJHchxpvQ)

Don

[blackrangie]

That's Bill Larman AKA Bill Van Snorkel. (Wagoo on here)
And this is his Rover.135104
And here in action.<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MM0oE0q7648" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The other was a 6x6 which I heard got burnt but that's not confirmed Bill Van Snorkle&#39;s 6x6 Land Rover Series - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZuJHchxpvQ)

DonThat things insaaaane

[PAT303]

Thats Bill. Amazing 4x4 mechanical mind and ability to make stuff. He was a member here a time ago.

The last time I talked to him was after his wife took her own life,really nice bloke.

[blackrangie]

The last time I talked to him was after his wife took her own life,really nice bloke.[emoji852]

[Vern]

Well that dampened the mood Pat!

He is on facebook pages a fair bit nowadays.

[PAT303]

Well that dampened the mood Pat!

He is on facebook pages a fair bit nowadays.

Good to here he is still keeping on,Bill is one bloke I'd like to share a beer,or two with. Pat

[cal415]

Very interested in the engineering side of these portals, i have a set of c303 portals at home i really need to put under a rover, gearing wise they are quite low at 5.99:1 though, i believe they give a 5in lift and are currently setup to bolt straight under a rover including a 3 link front, i just need to sort out brakes.

[Vern]

Isn't the 303 portal ratio 1:8 or something, giving a final drive ratio of around 3.38:1?

[cal415]

i believe the ratio is 2:1 at the portal with a 2.99 at the CWP making it 5.99

[blackrangie]

p

The first portals tibus made I have ,they are the prototype he developed for Robert with the 130 Rhino in Germany.
They are the steel box 5" low geared .
Tibus then went on and made the 2nd lot out of alloy and 4" normal gearing.
These portals are the ones we heard so much about the failures of from a previous member.
Now there is the 3rd generation portals of which I have heard nothing about there performance.What lift is 3rd gen, what improvements have been made?

[Vern]

i believe the ratio is 2:1 at the portal with a 2.99 at the CWP making it 5.99Cw&p 5.99? Well thats what i have been told

[uninformed]

Volvos are only 50mm wider track OVERALL to a series rover I think? or is it coil sprung?? But either way, for that much lift and only a little increase in track width I would not want to run them personally. The portal end is a pretty good design and the knuckle has huge seperation at the kingpin points. Drum brakes are a bit of a drag but disc conversions can be had.

[Nick S]

5.1 ratio CW&P are available for the Volvo axles and so are disc brake conversions. I bought the German TUV approved version for my 6x6
Nick

[cal415]

5.1 ratio CW&P are available for the Volvo axles and so are disc brake conversions. I bought the German TUV approved version for my 6x6
Nick
bit of an old post, but only just saw this now, what did it cost you for the disk brake conversion and did it change the stud pattern? Also where are the alternate CWP ratio's available? i believe they only came in 5.99 and 6.99 from factory depending on 4x4 or 6x6 - 5.1 and a change of high range ratios in the my transfer would make them much more usable on road - along with disk brake conversion.

[Nick S]

bit of an old post, but only just saw this now, what did it cost you for the disk brake conversion and did it change the stud pattern? Also where are the alternate CWP ratio's available? i believe they only came in 5.99 and 6.99 from factory depending on 4x4 or 6x6 - 5.1 and a change of high range ratios in the my transfer would make them much more usable on road - along with disk brake conversion.

The Tigerexped disc conversion was around 3000 euro for the 6x6 but you get new hubs, lines, callipers and wheels as well. It would be worth contacting Martin Henning to see if he is doing another run of these. The alternative is Kamo Oco Vidi in Croatia who also do a disc brake conversion + 5:1 CW&P. I’ve not bought stuff from these guys but it looks good. I’m going to see them in Oct because they do an interesting diff lock actuator for the volvo axles, replaces the vacuum diaphragms
Cheers
Nick