Tyres (again)...confusion

[gofish]

Hi all. I know tyres have been discussed to death..but here goes. Went down to the tyre place to ask Q's re. AT tyres. Was SHOCKED to find out that the difference between 17's & 18's is at least $100 extra a corner. I had heard good reports of the new KO2's so was pricing them up. Best price I have found (265/60 18) was around $410 each (!) Guy recommended Cooper AT3's but even they were $390 each. I have read a lot but there seems to be so many conflicting reports on each & every brand. Is there a good AT tire (LT) closer to the $300 mark that people would recommend ? Even with the offer of buying 5 (as I would like to go a little bigger) prices seemed firm. I have been putting off new tyres but with winter here I need to get things moving on. Sorry to bring the tyre debate into discussion again but would value other members opinions. Thoughts appreciated. Thanks.

[rar110]

I have 265/60/18 Cooper AT3s. I wouldn’t buy them again.

[gofish]

I have 265/60/18 Cooper AT3s. I wouldn’t buy them again.

Dare I ask why ?

[Tombie]

Yes D697 Dueller - around $325 f&b

[scarry]

You should be able to get the KO2 a bit cheaper than that,keep hunting around or someone in your area may chime in.

FWIW,i wouldn't use anything else,you only get what you pay for.

There are many that run them on here.

rar110 has provided the general consensus on here about coopers

[rar110]

Dare I ask why ?

Aquaplanes in wet, too noisy, has developed a whooping noise on one tyre, and got a puncture through the tread on a well maintained track with this little stone.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/06/262.jpg

[rar110]

You should be able to get the KO2 a bit cheaper than that,keep hunting around or someone in your area may chime in.

FWIW,i wouldn't use anything else,you only get what you pay for.

There are many that run them on here.

rar110 has provided the general consensus on here about coopers

Do recommend somewhere in Brisbane? I’m tossing up between KO2s and 697s.

[Hugh Jars]

Sounds a bit exxy. I just bought 5 x Maxxis 19” for $310 each fitted & balanced.

[scarry]

Do recommend somewhere in Brisbane? I’m tossing up between KO2s and 697s.

Try Ace tyres,8 Container st,Tingalpa.

Havent been there for a couple of years,but usually the cheapest around.

Only downfall is they are a bit noisey at some speeds,usually 65Km/hr or less.

[Disco-tastic]

Hi all. I know tyres have been discussed to death..but here goes. Went down to the tyre place to ask Q's re. AT tyres. Was SHOCKED to find out that the difference between 17's & 18's is at least $100 extra a corner. I had heard good reports of the new KO2's so was pricing them up. Best price I have found (265/60 18) was around $410 each (!) Guy recommended Cooper AT3's but even they were $390 each. I have read a lot but there seems to be so many conflicting reports on each & every brand. Is there a good AT tire (LT) closer to the $300 mark that people would recommend ? Even with the offer of buying 5 (as I would like to go a little bigger) prices seemed firm. I have been putting off new tyres but with winter here I need to get things moving on. Sorry to bring the tyre debate into discussion again but would value other members opinions. Thoughts appreciated. Thanks.That's one reason I went and found some 17" rims. By the time I'd bought wheels, tyres and spent $100 on new wheel nuts I was still $50 in front over buying 4 x 18" tyres.

You could also try Monsta tyres. I have heard good things - the tread pattern looks like a cross between the Bridgestone D697 and the Pirelli Scorpion.

[101RRS]

I just put Nitto Terra Grappers on my RRS - $195 each and so far have been great. Not an aggressive AT but good enough - quiet on the road, grip is good in the wet and online reviews are good.

A good alrounder.

Garry

[gofish]

Yes D697 Dueller - around $325 f&b

I think you are right Tombie. This is what I'd originally thought after hearing good reports inc. a mate who's on his second set (D3). I guess I just liked the look & reviews the KO2's were getting. I guess the on road manners would be a little better with the 697's but not as good off road. Thanks again.

[Young Angus]

I did heaps of tyre research recently, I ended up going with a mud tyre (MTR/Kevlar) which are great but I don't drive my Disco every day. For an AT, the KO2 definitely stood out I thought after all my research. Strong 3 ply side wall, full depth sipes and lots of them, new design and great rubber that apparently lasts a while, and lots of good experiences on them if you read about them. Just an AT that stood out from the rest I thought. They even have that snowflake symbol, so they're meant to be better in the winter snow/ice/wet than others if that matters to you. I've had personal experience driving on the KO2 and they drive really well, get a bit of road noise but hardly anything and even into older age they are good. They are what I would buy for an AT.

Bridgestones would be good too, just didn't think they'd be as good as BFGs. Also the Good Year Duratrac is a great tyre but they have a slightly thinner side wall I think, but I like the tread better than the KO2, if they had a stronger side wall I think the Duratrac would be much more popular. Good Year make great off road tyres!

(by the way, the BFG KM3 their new generation mud tyre should be coming out really soon)

Should be able to get a decent price on them too if you shop around, Bob Jane were pretty good with me.

[Tombie]

I think you are right Tombie. This is what I'd originally thought after hearing good reports inc. a mate who's on his second set (D3). I guess I just liked the look & reviews the KO2's were getting. I guess the on road manners would be a little better with the 697's but not as good off road. Thanks again.

I flogged the arse out of my D697s offroad. Never had a problem with them wanting.

BFGs are radically overrated and underwhelming. They’re just one of the originals and as such have an almost “Toyota” following.

[Tombie]

I did heaps of tyre research recently, I ended up going with a mud tyre (MTR/Kevlar) which are great but I don't drive my Disco every day. For an AT, the KO2 definitely stood out I thought after all my research. Strong 3 ply side wall, full depth sipes and lots of them, new design and great rubber that apparently lasts a while, and lots of good experiences on them if you read about them. Just an AT that stood out from the rest I thought. They even have that snowflake symbol, so they're meant to be better in the winter snow/ice/wet than others if that matters to you. I've had personal experience driving on the KO2 and they drive really well, get a bit of road noise but hardly anything and even into older age they are good. They are what I would buy for an AT.

Bridgestones would be good too, just didn't think they'd be as good as BFGs. Also the Good Year Duratrac is a great tyre but they have a slightly thinner side wall I think, but I like the tread better than the KO2, if they had a stronger side wall I think the Duratrac would be much more popular. Good Year make great off road tyres!

(by the way, the BFG KM3 their new generation mud tyre should be coming out really soon)

Should be able to get a decent price on them too if you shop around, Bob Jane were pretty good with me.

So by research you mean “reading”? [emoji41]

By “better rubber” you mean harder / less grip.

What’s your take on side-wall ply? Do you know what a ply is, or how there’s more to it than just the cord - and the side wall is more than just that again.

We have a group here that get products and we trial them - an example is the current MTs on my D4.
We have guys running tyres, winches, suspension amongst other gear and reporting on it.

Research without full data is just reading... [emoji41]

[garethbrown2670@gmail.com]

I had AT3s and wouldn’t buy them again. 3 flat tyres in 6 months. The marginal load rating is the problem I think.
I had scorpions and they drove well but wore out very quickly.
I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

[Disco4Dave]

I had AT3s and wouldn’t buy them again. 3 flat tyres in 6 months. The marginal load rating is the problem I think.
I had scorpions and they drove well but wore out very quickly.
I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

I am using 18" 697's and don't experience the load speed noise you mention, although they only have 10k kms on them.
They surprised me by feeling better in the wet than the 50% worn OEM 20" Scorpions.

[Disco-tastic]

I had AT3s and wouldn’t buy them again. 3 flat tyres in 6 months. The marginal load rating is the problem I think.
I had scorpions and they drove well but wore out very quickly.
I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).



I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

By all accounts the KO2 are noisier than the D697. I have heard good things about the Tokyo open country, though.

I rarely notice the D697 at speed over the kids, music, or even wind noise. I sometimes notice them during heavy cornering. Considering how they perform and wear I will most likely get them again.

[Tombie]

I am using 18" 697's and don't experience the load speed noise you mention, although they only have 10k kms on them.
They surprised me by feeling better in the wet than the 50% worn OEM 20" Scorpions.

It’s all about the pressures [emoji41]

[Disco4Dave]

It’s all about the pressures [emoji41]

The low speed noise of the D697s,
or the wet road difference between D697s and Scorpions?

FWIW, on bitumen the D697s are at 45 psi and the Scorpions are at 40psi.

[dirvine]

As you live in Melbourne, google tyresales. 265/65/18 in BFGs are $351. These are the "grey imports" or so I was told as they are only rated at 114/117. The others rated at 119/122 are $382. I shopped around when i bought mine and in the end bought the "grey imports". Reason was when I questioned the tyre shop they produced their invoice from BFG wholesale which showed the 114/119 tyres were purchased from them. There is so much BS about tyres and I just let it wash over me in the end. BFG make the 114/117 for just about everywhere else in the world. But for some reason, Bob Jane and Jax seem to think the higher rating ones are the ones only suitable for Australian conditions. I have done 30K on mine mostly towing a 2.5T van and I am more than happy with them. However if you are prepared to go to 265/60/18, then Nitto Grapplers are only $279. Others on this site have them. I was going to get them but they ran out of supply when I was looking so went the bigger tyre. Good thing is the speedo is now correct. Just need to alter the odometer as its about 5/100 kms out. (not that that matters in my opinion)

[mfpoli]

Sounds a bit exxy. I just bought 5 x Maxxis 19” for $310 each fitted & balanced.

I assume you are referring to LT255/55R19, in which case, where did you source that price from? I need to replace my Wranglers

Thanks
Mario

[Tombie]

The low speed noise of the D697s,
or the wet road difference between D697s and Scorpions?

FWIW, on bitumen the D697s are at 45 psi and the Scorpions are at 40psi.

Too high... being slightly larger than stock, for the road follow the placard +2 to 4psi

Scorpions are just average at best...

[StewG]

I took a gamble on Maxxis 19" LT and they performed magnificently on all manner of rough roads. They are a bit noisy compared to the standard fit tyres, but I would definitely buy them again. I bought 5 a year ago for less than $1200.

[Celtoid]

Too high... being slightly larger than stock, for the road follow the placard +2 to 4psi

Scorpions are just average at best...

Other than almost killing my son and I in the wet at highway speed, the Scorpion ATRs were awesome tyres [bighmmm]

[Hugh Jars]

I assume you are referring to LT255/55R19, in which case, where did you source that price from? I need to replace my Wranglers

Thanks
Mario

Mario, I bought them at Tyre King Baulkham Hills. Yep, standard size 19’s.

John.

[gofish]

Have been pricing up the 697's & the best price seems to be around $350. One of the blokes at tyrepower also recommended the Falken AT3 Wildpeak. Don't know much about these as not a lot mentioned on this forum. They are, however, on special ATM for sub-$300. Anyone tried these or know of anyone who has? I am not doing heaps of km's/year & from what I understand ALL tyres turn crap/hard with time so I am wondering if I wouldn't be better off buying something cheaper. At almost $200 less per corner than, for example, BFG's I am thinking I may be better off. Thanks...again.

[Disco-tastic]

Have you priced up the monsta AT? Last time I looked they were under $250 a corner in 18s, though that was a while ago.

[Tombie]

Have been pricing up the 697's & the best price seems to be around $350. One of the blokes at tyrepower also recommended the Falken AT3 Wildpeak. Don't know much about these as not a lot mentioned on this forum. They are, however, on special ATM for sub-$300. Anyone tried these or know of anyone who has? I am not doing heaps of km's/year & from what I understand ALL tyres turn crap/hard with time so I am wondering if I wouldn't be better off buying something cheaper. At almost $200 less per corner than, for example, BFG's I am thinking I may be better off. Thanks...again.

D697s should be able to be had at $325 f&b
Falken AT3W (a good tyre btw) is $225 f&b

I have Falken on trial at the moment... quite impressed.

[scarry]

One of my brothers,a Darwin resident,recently had a set of 4 697's fitted to his playdo,$800 f &b.They are 17's.

KO2 were $1300

Much quieter than his old KO's,although tyres do get noisier as they wear.

[Odysseyman]

For those not happy with their Cooper AT3’s it’s worth remembering that there are two types. One is light truck construction and the other isn’t (and is intended for on-road use). They look the same so unless you have the letter LT at the beginning of the tyre size moulded on the tyre then you are running a highway type tyre with very limited off/gravel road use recommended. They are a much lighter construction and could account for your punctures.
Additionally there is the issue of tyre pressures - especially on gravel. Cooper recommend a range of 32-36 psi on fast gravel and even less on slower gravel. A commensurate reduction in speed is also recommended.
I think it’s unfair to blame any tyres for punctures when you’re not saying exactly what tyre you are running, at what pressure and in what conditions and acknowledging your speed at the time.
cheers
David

[Chops]

Hey Mike, if you remember, can you take a pic of your Falkens on the car. I’ve pretty much decided on these, but still haven’t been able to go see a set and get a price in person.
Hoping to do that this week, but works looking a bit busy as it’s the final week of moving.

I haven’t gone right into it yet, but they look to be about $325 a corner online so far [bighmmm]

[trout1105]

I have fitted a set of 245/70/16 Micky Thompson Baja ATZ P3's to my D2a because I wanted the 1300kg load rating and the extra grip for dirt/gravel/mud boat ramps, I haven't used these tyres before But the initial impressions are good although the tyres ARE noisy.
I will come back to this post after I have done a few thousand K's to evaluate them.

[Journeytower]

This may be a little late for you, however. I've just fitted 4 265/60x18 Hankook RF10 to my Disco 3. $275 each fitted & balanced at my dealer in Coffs Harbour.Too early to report much at this time on the Disco except that they are quite & improved the road feel out of sight.
We've had them on the wife's Hyundai Terracan CRDI for around 18 months & done 40k. This is similar in weight & size to the Disco. They are wearing very well, rotated every 10k & pressures kept at 40psi, barely any signs of wear. They are good in the wet or dry & everytime my wife drives up or down the Dorrigo mountain I keep my seatbelt on tight as she has got to know it really well & goes faster than me.
They have a 114 Load Rating & a T speed rating which is under the specified speed rating. Some people will worry about this however if an incident occurs it has to be proved that it was caused by a tyre of underrated speed rating. These were the cheapest good tyre I or my dealer could find.

[cripesamighty]

I am getting some Falken AT3W 265/60/18's fitted tomorrow on a buy 3 and get the 4th free deal from the local Falken rep. Will see how these pan out vs my older D697's.

[Tombie]

This may be a little late for you, however. I've just fitted 4 265/60x18 Hankook RF10 to my Disco 3. $275 each fitted & balanced at my dealer in Coffs Harbour.Too early to report much at this time on the Disco except that they are quite & improved the road feel out of sight.
We've had them on the wife's Hyundai Terracan CRDI for around 18 months & done 40k. This is similar in weight & size to the Disco. They are wearing very well, rotated every 10k & pressures kept at 40psi, barely any signs of wear. They are good in the wet or dry & everytime my wife drives up or down the Dorrigo mountain I keep my seatbelt on tight as she has got to know it really well & goes faster than me.
They have a 114 Load Rating & a T speed rating which is under the specified speed rating. Some people will worry about this however if an incident occurs it has to be proved that it was caused by a tyre of underrated speed rating. These were the cheapest good tyre I or my dealer could find.

Hello and welcome...

The Terracan, they weigh 2065kg kerb weight against the LR at 2640kg (which is the Terracan at GVM).
Not quite the same... [emoji41]

[SeanC]

For those not happy with their Cooper AT3’s it’s worth remembering that there are two types. One is light truck construction and the other isn’t (and is intended for on-road use). They look the same so unless you have the letter LT at the beginning of the tyre size moulded on the tyre then you are running a highway type tyre with very limited off/gravel road use recommended. They are a much lighter construction and could account for your punctures.
Additionally there is the issue of tyre pressures - especially on gravel. Cooper recommend a range of 32-36 psi on fast gravel and even less on slower gravel. A commensurate reduction in speed is also recommended.
I think it’s unfair to blame any tyres for punctures when you’re not saying exactly what tyre you are running, at what pressure and in what conditions and acknowledging your speed at the time.
cheers
David

I had an old Mazda that I had for years went through multiple set of tyres from different manufacturers. Not a puncture.

Bought a new car new tyres of course. In two months had 2 punctures from tech screws from different places.

So where the tyres on the Mazda great and the ones on the new car crap or was I just unlucky?

So when you hear “I had brand X for 80 000ks with no problems. I changed to brand Y and staked 2 tyres on 1 trip. I’ll never buy brand Y again”.

Take it with a large grain of salt.

[Tombie]

Especially where n=1

[ramblingboy42]

I bought a Bridgestone 697 , 265/65x17LT, in Olympic Dam last year for $295 balanced and they fitted it for me.

Why you guys are paying $350 for them in big number city outlets has me stumped.

btw , Olympic Dam(think Roxby Downs )is really out bush except for it's magnificent highway from the south.....after that its genuinely bush.

[ramblingboy42]

oh btw , when I changed over to the xlt mag wheels last year, a Bridgestone dealer in Brisbane offered me 4 off , 697's 265/65x17 including the xlt wheels all up $1200.

xlt mag wheels abound as so many want different wheels when they purchase their Rangers there are hundreds of wheels left hanging around dealerships.

[Chops]

Hey Mike, if you remember, can you take a pic of your Falkens on the car. I’ve pretty much decided on these, but still haven’t been able to go see a set and get a price in person.
Hoping to do that this week, but works looking a bit busy as it’s the final week of moving.

I haven’t gone right into it yet, but they look to be about $325 a corner online so far [bighmmm]


Got a quote this morning on the Falks, $250 each, but he thinks the 4 for 3 deal is coming very soon. The bit I don’t get is why they are so expensive online (??).
Got a mate that owns a tyre place, so should be able to get them even cheaper when I’m ready [wink11]

[rick130]

We put the BFG's on the ex's Patrol and milage was stellar, but they clog badly in mud and wet grip was average, Cooper ST's actually performed much better overall but didn't last and well, I just didn't trust them.
I flogged the arse out of my D697s offroad. Never had a problem with them wanting.

BFGs are radically overrated and underwhelming. They’re just one of the originals and as such have an almost “Toyota” following.

[Young Angus]

So by research you mean “reading”? [emoji41]

By “better rubber” you mean harder / less grip.

What’s your take on side-wall ply? Do you know what a ply is, or how there’s more to it than just the cord - and the side wall is more than just that again.

We have a group here that get products and we trial them - an example is the current MTs on my D4.
We have guys running tyres, winches, suspension amongst other gear and reporting on it.

Research without full data is just reading... [emoji41]

Of course when I say I did research I did reading, I think that was pretty obvious. Reading of lots of other people's research and trials who have shared it with others on the internet...a place people come to read. I was kicked out of my own tyre research laboratory because my Nanna needed to put her caravan back into her garage so I didn't get to finish my experiments, but I still felt like sharing what I'd learnt from others before me may help the OP. You sound like you've actually got a laboratory, and a team of "scientists" working on this, so wouldn't your contributions to this community be better spent sharing some of your research findings rather than being an internet hero and picking on semantics in a forum post? Are you suggesting that nothing on the internet is worth a cracker without it being backed up by cold hard data? Because if you are then I guess we can toss out about 95% of this and all other internet forums' information...IN THE BIN!

Forums are places for people to come together online and share what they know, to discuss, or at least what they've read somewhere to save someone else having to read it for themselves. Am I wrong? Did I do it wrong? Come to think of it I haven't actually done any research on how internet forums work, so please if you could share your research on that too it would be great.

Why do you feel it's necessary to be a rude jerk to someone for trying to help? Sounds like you have your own opinion on some of these things which is great to throw into the mix and I for one would be interested to read your findings, no need to act like the schoolyard bully too though, that just isn't cool. Guess this is a bit out of the ordinary for me having not ventured much outside the D1 forum, I kind of get how Bad Boy Bubby must have felt now.

This is an internet discussion forum not a science journal, so don't be such a dick.

[Journeytower]

I couldn't agree with you more Angus, there seems to be a lot of pedantics from some 'contributors?' that is completely unnecessary.
I would say that the majority of people try to give what they feel are informed & constructive input to conversations. Before anyone gets going, by 'informed' I qualified that by saying "they feel" as opposed to 'qualified or scientific' usually with a brief explanation of why they offered that opinion. By 'constructive' they are hoping that they may be of assistance to someone in some way.
You usually start to pick up after a while the people that are really worth taking notice of because they are knowledgeable & constructive & often just a little guarded because they know no one is perfect & there is always another way to look at things.
Meaningless pedantics usually just put people off & drive them away therefore depriving others of what one day just might be a very worthwhile contribution that no one has thought of.

I'm so pleased you responded in the constructive way you did.

Regards, Wayne.

[ATH]

All good fun reading others arguments for and against this tyre or that. Researched or just bar talk, put it all together and make your own minds up. I suspect most of us on here aren't snowflake students who hop from one crusade to the next nearly all with a good amount of lefty bias, so the least we can do is be a bit more open minded when others voice their opinion about tyres or anything else.
I do, especially when that opinion is the same as mine.... :)
I've done all that and have settled on Maxxis 980LTs for the "D" as replacements for the original tyre.
AlanH.

[Tombie]

I bought a Bridgestone 697 , 265/65x17LT, in Olympic Dam last year for $295 balanced and they fitted it for me.

Why you guys are paying $350 for them in big number city outlets has me stumped.

btw , Olympic Dam(think Roxby Downs )is really out bush except for it's magnificent highway from the south.....after that its genuinely bush.

Because your size is very different.. 265/65-17 are a lot cheaper.. I can’t believe you paid $295!!! That’s too much!

[Tombie]

****ing gold.... oh how I enjoy watching the expression of opinion as fact on this forum.

Oh the amusement from seeing a post asking for assistance with a problem being responded to with “it’s definitely this.... fix your .... it will be ....”

Oh how I enjoy the fact the world has got so super ****ing sensitive that blunt, to the point comments or assessments of prior posts - receive such touchy feely responses.

How people who have no idea *about a topic* - won’t admit they have no idea - and yet offer opinion based on pseudoscience and feeling rather than their real world observations!

Now where’s my Glad Wrap? [emoji48]

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[Tombie]

What’s the best part about this forum? The people who contribute in any way.

What’s the worst part of this forum (besides Me [emoji56])?
Opinions *expressed as **fact**. (It’s ok to have an opinion)
Reading/Quoting of advertorials as research.
Pseudoscience.
Research where n=1. (This is personal experience not research)
Left and Right wing crap making its way into a vehicle forum.

What’s my favourite part of the forum in the last couple of years?
Watching the ongoing softening of the human spirit, becoming hypersensitive to even the smallest criticism, To watch the shift from being able to take criticism, to criticising criticism with soft beliefs in the misguided ideal that people should all go through life never offending anyone or being offended themselves.

If this offends you - please, be offended! Nothing happens to you if you’re offended. Feel free to be offended - just don’t expect me to sit back, read things that give false data - and say nothing.


Hands up those who partially buy tyres by “how they look”..... be honest...

I’m off to go play in the workshop, all welcome to drop in for a beer..... if you don’t, I won’t be offended...

And feel free to flame me....
I’ve almost given up on sharing experience and knowledge on this forum, I’ve cancelled the auto renewal about 4 months ago - so soon my membership will end and I’ll be an obscure user name on a forum.

Why? Because the forum has shifted, Look back on posts, I think there’s like 2 where I ask for assistance.. 2.
I spent years providing assistance though. And you need to take it through my “rough edges” if you want it.

In the meantime I will post as I see fit, if anybody doesn’t like my post - please report it (button top right of my post) and let the admins sort it out - they do a great job.

Now go suck it up and do some Land Rovering!

[vee8auto]

Just a ...ken Troll sometimes Tombie.

[Tombie]

Just a ...ken Troll sometimes Tombie.

Abso Ken Lutely. 🤡

[ATH]

Love it when the super sensitive get upset about any criticism of any kind about anything at all. Nothing like a deliberate stir up or adverse opinion to make their hackles rise.
I loved it on Exploroz when I dared to say about the probs. my boy had with his "soft snot tough as unbreakable bullet proof" 200 series. :) And all I did woz speek the troof!
Not allowed, how dare I.
This is a great place to learn stuff and I for one appreciate all I get from other misguided souls who own Landies. :)
Be a much worse world if we all agreed on everything. Be too bloody quiet for me to start with.
AlanH.

[Journeytower]

What’s the best part about this forum? The people who contribute in any way.

What’s the worst part of this forum (besides Me [emoji56])?
Opinions *expressed as **fact**. (It’s ok to have an opinion)
Reading/Quoting of advertorials as research.
Pseudoscience.
Research where n=1. (This is personal experience not research)
Left and Right wing crap making its way into a vehicle forum.

What’s my favourite part of the forum in the last couple of years?
Watching the ongoing softening of the human spirit, becoming hypersensitive to even the smallest criticism, To watch the shift from being able to take criticism, to criticising criticism with soft beliefs in the misguided ideal that people should all go through life never offending anyone or being offended themselves.

If this offends you - please, be offended! Nothing happens to you if you’re offended. Feel free to be offended - just don’t expect me to sit back, read things that give false data - and say nothing.


Hands up those who partially buy tyres by “how they look”..... be honest...

I’m off to go play in the workshop, all welcome to drop in for a beer..... if you don’t, I won’t be offended...

And feel free to flame me....
I’ve almost given up on sharing experience and knowledge on this forum, I’ve cancelled the auto renewal about 4 months ago - so soon my membership will end and I’ll be an obscure user name on a forum.

Why? Because the forum has shifted, Look back on posts, I think there’s like 2 where I ask for assistance.. 2.
I spent years providing assistance though. And you need to take it through my “rough edges” if you want it.

In the meantime I will post as I see fit, if anybody doesn’t like my post - please report it (button top right of my post) and let the admins sort it out - they do a great job.

Now go suck it up and do some Land Rovering!

That's great, gave me a big laugh to start the day. All as expected. Regards, Wayne

[Tombie]

That's great, gave me a big laugh to start the day. All as expected. Regards, Wayne

One of the best things we can do is have a good Laugh [emoji41]

[trout1105]

Dont "Bail" Tombie, I for one will miss you honest imput to the forum.

[Tombie]

Dont "Bail" Tombie, I for one will miss you honest imput to the forum.

It’s all good... I just don’t take life in here too seriously anymore.

I’ve been here a long time (perhaps too long), I’ve seen changes in the type of people joining, and changes in myself also.

I just call it as I see it some times.

Trout1105 - when you’re near my part of the world - let me buy you a beer...

[strangy]

It’s all good... I just don’t take life in here too seriously anymore.

I’ve been here a long time (perhaps too long), I’ve seen changes in the type of people joining, and changes in myself also.

I just call it as I see it some times.

Trout1105 - when you’re near my part of the world - let me buy you a beer...

This.^
You and a few others have offered much and spoken your mind in the forum over the years.
I'm watching it in the workplace and it isnt change for good. So much to say yet such little point anymore.
Id rather be taken aback by someone shooting straight than placated, mislead and in some cases stabbed in the back by soothsayers and sheep.

[Lockee]

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Being a 2.7 I could fit a Dynamic 17x8 -30 steel rim. Ironically also fits Amarok.

BFG KM3 265 75 17s

[Tombie]

You can also fit a multitude of Alloys from the likes of:
Husla
Simmons
Etc.

The variety is quite large.

[gofish]

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Being a 2.7 I could fit a Dynamic 17x8 -30 steel rim. Ironically also fits Amarok.

BFG KM3 265 75 17s

I thought I had read that these weren't "legal". Would love to be corrected/educated however.

[Tombie]

I thought I had read that these weren't "legal". Would love to be corrected/educated however.

I replied in the other thread..

At -30 definitely not legal... even at +30 they aren’t legal in several states.

-30 is a track increase of 174mm (6.85”) in independent mounts - that’s a serious amount of additional stress!

[Lockee]

Oops +30 54 mm increase over factory so 4mm over limit.

[loanrangie]

I think you mean 13mm over, +43 is stock so +30 is 13mm closer to 0 offset.

[Graeme]

+41mm is maximum digression of 13mm from the stock +54mm.