Hi lift jack points - D4

[mrJdiddy]

Hi guys,

i have 2015 D4 TDV6, with factory side steps but no front bullbar
or rear steel bummer. I’m off on a desert trip soon. It’s been suggested I get a hi lift jack.

Any tips/advice on the best jack points on D4 for the hi lift jack?
My guess is the rear square towing point. Also, Can you jack on the side step?
Or
are there better solutions for recovery, etc

Cheers

[Vern]

Why would you get a high lift jack?

[loanrangie]

They might be OK for old yanky trucks but no good on a modern 4wd.

[Chops]

For the weight alone of a HL Jack,, they're not worth it. Although they can be used as a winch, but not much good for lifting a D4,, unless you have all the steel bars, including the rock sliders. I would suspect your "side steps" are probably alloy based, and therefore not strong enough for a lift anyway.

I would advise having some thing like Treads, or MaxTracks for use, and if you travelling with someone, a snatch strap. The D4 without a trailer behind it will be exceptionally capable on its own. However, as I found out doing Googs Track last year, a trailer greatly diminishes its versatility so to speak if your doing sand hills.
You can hit sand dunes doing quite fast speeds to start with, which will get you over most times, but for me, between the trailer and 20" rims, I struggled big time.

Hope this helps

[Tombie]

Lemme guess - the person suggesting it is a Cruiser/Patrol owner [emoji41]

No need for such devices, a pair of Tred Pros and a good shovel will be far more useful.

Add a compressor and tyre gauge and your good to go (almost)...

[weeds]

Yep leave the hi-lift jack at home......

Tyre pressures
Compressor
Long table shovel
Maxtrax if ya must

Get No. 1 right you won’t need 3 and 4

[LRD414]

Another vote for shovel/Maxtrax/compressor being far more useful in the desert.
A better option for jacking is to get a good bottle jack with 200mm extension.
Add to that a solid jacking plate of say 300x300 for the sand.

Scott

[ramblingboy42]

I wouldn't put a hi lift jack under any vehicle I own. Leave it painted orange or yellow and bolt it onto something to look tough, like your garage door. Now let your tyres down properly so you dont get bogged and if you need to jack it up for tyre change , buy a good hydraulic bottle jack that weighs the same as the hi lift and a good lump of timber to support it...it'll still take up less room.Trying not to be too facetious here but I don't like the things.

[ramblingboy42]

For the weight alone of a HL Jack,, they're not worth it. Although they can be used as a winch, but not much good for lifting a D4,, unless you have all the steel bars, including the rock sliders. I would suspect your "side steps" are probably alloy based, and therefore not strong enough for a lift anyway.

I would advise having some thing like Treads, or MaxTracks for use, and if you travelling with someone, a snatch strap. The D4 without a trailer behind it will be exceptionally capable on its own. However, as I found out doing Googs Track last year, a trailer greatly diminishes its versatility so to speak if your doing sand hills.
You can hit sand dunes doing quite fast speeds to start with, which will get you over most times, but for me, between the trailer and 20" rims, I struggled big time.

Hope this helps

Chops , when did you do Googs? I did it last year last week in August , north to south.

[Chops]

We did it after the Easter meet at Melrose.

[rocket rod]

I bought a stout little trolley jack that fits under the suspension to do any wheel changes and it works a treat. Sits behind the passengers seat in it's own little brief case, doesn't take up much room or add too much weight. I think they are better than a bottle jack due to stability but that's me.

[trout1105]

I wouldn't put a hi lift jack under any vehicle I own. Leave it painted orange or yellow and bolt it onto something to look tough, like your garage door. Now let your tyres down properly so you dont get bogged and if you need to jack it up for tyre change , buy a good hydraulic bottle jack that weighs the same as the hi lift and a good lump of timber to support it...it'll still take up less room.Trying not to be too facetious here but I don't like the things.

I agree, Nasty Dangerous bloody things.
An exhaust jack is probably a better option on a D4 to get the extra lift if needed and it wont destroy the car and more importantly yourself.

[Nicky]

I bought a stout little trolley jack that fits under the suspension to do any wheel changes and it works a treat. Sits behind the passengers seat in it's own little brief case, doesn't take up much room or add too much weight. I think they are better than a bottle jack due to stability but that's me.

Can you please post the cost. name of this jack, source, and cost

[Tombie]

I agree, Nasty Dangerous bloody things.
An exhaust jack is probably a better option on a D4 to get the extra lift if needed and it wont destroy the car and more importantly yourself.

Unfortunately not a great option on a D3/4/RRS either.
Exhausts both sides, need a plug to get gas pressure, soft items under both sides that can’t be lifted on.

A good bottle jack and plate is invaluable.

[NavyDiver]

I disagree a little. When heavily bogged in mud a high lift jack was able to lift from this position with out digging or a PUMP to move a lot of water - tire pressures would not have helped a bit. (I agree in sand you can dig under to get a bottle or other jack under )

I had rock sliders from a nice gent on this forum on my first D3 and from simple quick tire changes a high lift jack was very quick. Getting stuck in a deep muddy bog in Gipsland with the Landrover Scissor lift was the least fun I have had when bogged. A very moden or very old 4wd can get stuck in sand or mud.
https://mr4x4.com.au/watch-discovery-4-get-almost-taken-ocean/

The driver in that D4 was possibly in the wrong spot at the wrong time. In that wrong place I would have liked a high lift jack to get me out ASAP! Not wandering below the high water mark on Beaches with out a fast effective recovery option(s) is probably a rule that D4 driver uses now?

To be back to being agreeable The max tracks are a helpful tool. Fully agree with tire pressure being one of the keys to sand driving. Loved driving on WA cool beaches as well as [thumbsupbig]

[rocket rod]

Can you please post the cost. name of this jack, source, and cost

I got this jack from my local Indy here in Perth but any compact unit off eBay would suffice. The main issue is it must fit under the control arms when the tyre is flat. Most here recommend that you still have the scissor jack to help with this. My unit is 140mm tall at it's lowest position and it cost about $150 I think. There is a lengthy discussion here Chassis adaptor for 2T Omega bottle jack (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/242815-chassis-adaptor-2t-omega-bottle-jack.html) about bottle jacks but an adapter is an essential requirement.

[Tombie]

Have you tried it when it’s flat?
I have a workshop jack lower than that and it won’t go under with a flat tyre on an 18” rim.

[Hoss]

Hope it’s ok to hop on this thread to ask if anyone knows where I can source the chassis adapter for the omega bottle jack cited above. Have had the jack for over 12 months but haven’t had any luck getting an adapter. Just missed out on a second hand one advertised on aulro recently. Cheers

[rocket rod]

Have you tried it when it’s flat?
I have a workshop jack lower than that and it won’t go under with a flat tyre on an 18” rim.

Yep know that, hence alternate strategies to use are, drive flat tyre up onto a rock, use scissor jack to initiate lift, dig and lastly swear a lot.

[Tombie]

Yep know that, hence alternate strategies to use are, drive flat tyre up onto a rock, use scissor jack to initiate lift, dig and lastly swear a lot.

Yeah! I don’t even carry my scissor jack after it failed, dropping the D4 to the ground on the LHR (I jumped back as it went, just missed my leg).

The scissor jack was bent like a banana at the threaded rod.

I now raise the suspension and place a block under the arm and tell the vehicle to lower. Instant wheel off the ground. [emoji41]

[rocket rod]

Yeah! I don’t even carry my scissor jack after it failed, dropping the D4 to the ground on the LHR (I jumped back as it went, just missed my leg).

The scissor jack was bent like a banana at the threaded rod.

I now raise the suspension and place a block under the arm and tell the vehicle to lower. Instant wheel off the ground. [emoji41]

Yep forgot that one for the "alternative strategies" list.

[letherm]

Hope it’s ok to hop on this thread to ask if anyone knows where I can source the chassis adapter for the omega bottle jack cited above. Have had the jack for over 12 months but haven’t had any luck getting an adapter. Just missed out on a second hand one advertised on aulro recently. Cheers

The link in post 16 go to the thread about them and jacks. Post 2 on that thread by LandyAndy explains a bit. He had his son make a batch up after talking about them on this forum. He had made one himself and got a lot of enquiries. That's where I got mine from. They weren't a commercial product. Maybe contact LandyAndy and he might be able to help.

Martin

[Tombie]

The link in post 16 go to the thread about them and jacks. Post 2 on that thread by LandyAndy explains a bit. He had his son make a batch up after talking about them on this forum. He had made one himself and got a lot of enquiries. That's where I got mine from. They weren't a commercial product. Maybe contact LandyAndy and he might be able to help.

Martin

I’m not sure you’ll have much luck reaching him.
You could give it a try.

May be easier to go to a local fab shop and have one made.

[LRD414]

Hope it’s ok to hop on this thread to ask if anyone knows where I can source the chassis adapter for the omega bottle jack cited above.
Good timing .... I worked with the owner of Tuffant who's a friend of mine to get a small batch of jack adapters fabricated using his contacts in China.
It has taken ages to come to fruition but they are about to be sold via the Tuffant website, should be up tonight. Probably just this one batch too.

Cheers,
Scott

[SeanC]

Have you tried it when it’s flat?
I have a workshop jack lower than that and it won’t go under with a flat tyre on an 18” rim.

I carry a timber block the width of an inflated 17” tyre.
I drive the flat wheel onto the block and can now fit the jack under it.

[weeds]

Good timing .... I worked with the owner of Tuffant who's a friend of mine to get a small batch of jack adapters fabricated using his contacts in China.
It has taken ages to come to fruition but they are about to be sold via the Tuffant website, should be up tonight. Probably just this one batch too.

Cheers,
Scott

Discovery 18" wheels | Land rover 18" rims | Tuffant | SHOP (https://www.tuffant.com/wheels)

60 bucks.....I wonder what the actual cost was of the ones I had made. Although I didn’t have the grub screw.

[apom]

Discovery 18" wheels | Land rover 18" rims | Tuffant | SHOP (https://www.tuffant.com/wheels)

60 bucks.....I wonder what the actual cost was of the ones I had made. Although I didn’t have the grub screw.


$49 Actually, prices includes postage anywhere in Australia. As with any small orders the prices are way higher than if you were ordering this sort of things by the 100s or 1000s

[Hoss]

Awesome. Just bought 5 wheels from Tuffant and should be arriving tomorrow fingers crossed. Will check out their website for the adapter. Thanks for the heads up

[Hoss]

Bought[emoji3] fortuitous timing indeed!

[weeds]

$49 Actually, prices includes postage anywhere in Australia. As with any small orders the prices are way higher than if you were ordering this sort of things by the 100s or 1000s

Not knocking your price and understand the scales of economy.

Either way 59$ delivered....with grub screw is probably a good good price.

[DieselLSE]

Discovery 18" wheels | Land rover 18" rims | Tuffant | SHOP (https://www.tuffant.com/wheels)

60 bucks.....I wonder what the actual cost was of the ones I had made. Although I didn’t have the grub screw.

Yes, but an additional $135 to ship to Melbourne!

[Hoss]

Yes, but an additional $135 to ship to Melbourne!

Shipping included in $59 but Checkout defaults incorrectly to the prices for shipping wheels (hence the $135). I've let Andrew from Tuffant know.

[LRD414]

Yes, but an additional $135 to ship to Melbourne!

Are you looking at the adapter or a wheels package ? The adapter price includes shipping in Australia. Wheels are a different story.

Scott

[DieselLSE]

Shipping included in $59 but Checkout defaults incorrectly to the prices for shipping wheels (hence the $135). I've let Andrew from Tuffant know.

Thanks.

[mrJdiddy]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I've already got a shovel, maxtrax's and a compressor.....

and now passing on the hi lift.

cheers

[trout1105]

Yeah! I don’t even carry my scissor jack after it failed, dropping the D4 to the ground on the LHR (I jumped back as it went, just missed my leg).

The scissor jack was bent like a banana at the threaded rod.

I now raise the suspension and place a block under the arm and tell the vehicle to lower. Instant wheel off the ground. [emoji41]

Great idea.
With tbat method you have no need of a jack and more importantly NO risk of personel injury, Well done Mate[thumbsupbig]

[apom]

Not knocking your price and understand the scales of economy.

Either way 59$ delivered....with grub screw is probably a good good price.

No problem :)

[Celtoid]

Hi All,

Really appreciate the efforts of the quizzical and ingenious types that find smart/better/cheaper/safer ways of doing things on our cars. :thumbsup:

So a question slightly off topic but still related since this thread is essentially about jacking the car....

Yonks ago when guys were looking at alternates to the scissor, the MB Sprinter type bottle jack was identified. Haven't kept up with the investigations as I'd always been lucky by being in a situation with the very few punctures I've had where I could create/get to a flat spot in order to use the scissor jack. At home I'd been using a trolley jack which is very easy if you find one with a long enough arm or a high pivot starting point.

Trolley jack has pooped itself so started looking at these threads with interest since I can kill two birds with one stone. I've looked at the Omega jack through the supplied links, etc. A couple of questions pop to mind. Have owners found practical storage points in the car or does it become necessary luggage on trips? I vaguely recall limitations on the storage orientation of bottle jacks...they must be stored upright? Is that correct?

Cheers,

Kev.

[Chops]

Funny you should bring this up Kev.

I used my trolley jack to swap all my wheels out the other weekend, and strangely had some problems.
May new jack is actually quite wide and I had dramas getting it to sit under the arm safely. Ended up, I cut up a small block of wood which sat in the dimple. Steel on steel is very slippery, hense the wood block.
So now I’m left with the small dilemma of what to do exactly. The trolleys great anyway with various stuff I need to do on other vehicles, so I’m good with that, but now, I think I’ll go down the bottle jack path. Initially had a spot earwigged for the trolley, but now need to find somewhere for the bottle instead,, as an aside, the good thing is it’s smaller and much lighter.

Laying it it down is not overall a good idea because it can leak, either through the filler cap, or if your seal lets go, you’ll end up with oil in the car.

So yes, where do there store theirs in the car?

[Tombie]

Kev, I used a sharp knife and modified the foam in the Drivers side to hold my Omega jack.

[Celtoid]

Kev, I used a sharp knife and modified the foam in the Drivers side to hold my Omega jack.

Thanks Tombie … and of course you have the extra space there now as your scissor jack is currently employed as landfill ;-) [bigrolf]

[Tombie]

Thanks Tombie … and of course you have the extra space there now as your scissor jack is currently employed as landfill ;-) [bigrolf]

You could cut up the other side where the factory tow hitch goes [emoji41]

And that Scissor jack is plain outright deadly. I’d never trust it!

[SeanC]

Funny you should bring this up Kev.

I used my trolley jack to swap all my wheels out the other weekend, and strangely had some problems.
May new jack is actually quite wide and I had dramas getting it to sit under the arm safely. Ended up, I cut up a small block of wood which sat in the dimple. Steel on steel is very slippery, hense the wood block.
So now I’m left with the small dilemma of what to do exactly. The trolleys great anyway with various stuff I need to do on other vehicles, so I’m good with that, but now, I think I’ll go down the bottle jack path. Initially had a spot earwigged for the trolley, but now need to find somewhere for the bottle instead,, as an aside, the good thing is it’s smaller and much lighter.

Laying it it down is not overall a good idea because it can leak, either through the filler cap, or if your seal lets go, you’ll end up with oil in the car.

So yes, where do there store theirs in the car?

I store mine where the scissor jack used to live.

[Celtoid]

Funny you should bring this up Kev.

I used my trolley jack to swap all my wheels out the other weekend, and strangely had some problems.
May new jack is actually quite wide and I had dramas getting it to sit under the arm safely. Ended up, I cut up a small block of wood which sat in the dimple. Steel on steel is very slippery, hense the wood block.
So now I’m left with the small dilemma of what to do exactly. The trolleys great anyway with various stuff I need to do on other vehicles, so I’m good with that, but now, I think I’ll go down the bottle jack path. Initially had a spot earwigged for the trolley, but now need to find somewhere for the bottle instead,, as an aside, the good thing is it’s smaller and much lighter.

Laying it it down is not overall a good idea because it can leak, either through the filler cap, or if your seal lets go, you’ll end up with oil in the car.

So yes, where do there store theirs in the car?

My first trolley jack … high load rating … but the arm was just a smidge too short for the rear …. needed some careful placement. Probably exacerbated by me not knowing what can be levered and what can't. Strength is a funny thing … affected by different loading dynamics and just because a control arm can lift 2 tons doesn't mean sticking a jack on every point on that arm is safe, for example (I was scared of denting/bending arms or chassis points that aren't designed for the load pressure in certain areas).

Second jack just pooped itself mid wheel change and dropped the wheel onto the studs. I had stands in place thank god but couldn't get enough height for the next pin on the stand so it dropped a few mms. Was a pain in the arse to work around as the jack was covering the OEM chassis rail hole.

[Celtoid]

You could cut up the other side where the factory tow hitch goes [emoji41]

And that Scissor jack is plain outright deadly. I’d never trust it!

Probably go on the scissor jack side as I have rear air and a Linear Electronics LED box sitting in that spot.

Cheers,

Kev.

[apom]

$49 Actually, prices includes postage anywhere in Australia. As with any small orders the prices are way higher than if you were ordering this sort of things by the 100s or 1000s

Sorry, these are now SOLD OUT. Apologies to those that missed out, we way underestimated the demand!

[shanegtr]

I got no issues using a high lift jack on my D3 - but then again I've got an ARB front bar and a kaymar rear bar. I like my high lift jack, has gotten me out of trouble a few times in the past. If you didntitable jack points there are wheel lifters available to use with a high lift - lifts the wheel rather than the car body

[NavyDiver]

I got no issues using a high lift jack on my D3 - but then again I've got an ARB front bar and a kaymar rear bar. I like my high lift jack, has gotten me out of trouble a few times in the past. If you didntitable jack points there are wheel lifters available to use with a high lift - lifts the wheel rather than the car body


Cheap as well. 2273KG claimed would be enough. As my rock sliders went with my D3 I have ordered some for myself to try. Yet to put my new D3 in the really fun places I want to were a Hi Lift jack is in my view the best tool.

I do have a bottle jack in the car for the vanilla lift jobs. [biggrin]


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