TDV6 Life Expectancy ????

[Rosco55]

How long would you expect a 2010 D4 TDV6 engine to last. Mine has imploded at 215,000 km and I don't feel this is reasonable.
All servicing done as per requirements by authorised Land Rover dealers.
At $40,000 for a new engine I am not happy.
Am I unreasonable?

[loanrangie]

A fer members with 2.7's that are over 500k so 215k is definitely not reasonable, i would be pushing for a new engine from LRA as there are known issues with cranks snapping etc.

[Ean Austral]

Not acceptable at all but even more crazy is the 40k price tag for an engine swap.

as has been said if dealer serviced at correct intervals then contact L/R .

Cheers Ean

[PerthDisco]

Rule of thumb was if you make it to 200k kms it’s would go on and on. Maybe it’s 215k kms. I’m at 198k kms [emoji51]

I’ve seen Ford Territory new Lion V6 engines for around $10k as a new option. Plus fitting. Same engine only with a few bits needing changeover from your engine.

NEW GENUINE FORD SZ TERRITORY 2.7L LION V6 DIESEL ENGINE 276DT | eBay (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0'mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2 F223042664334)

A second hand Territory V6 low km engine is the next step and there seems to be an independent repairer in each state skilled at the swap over.

I’ll be really interested to hear what LR say but that $40k is the dealer rate for sure.

[DiscoJeffster]

It’s funny (not for you I might add) really as LR do believe that that’s the life of the car. This come from their view that the gearbox is “filled for life” or 10 years or 230,000km.

[loanrangie]

Rule of thumb was if you make it to 200k kms it’s would go on and on. Maybe it’s 215k kms. I’m at 198k kms [emoji51]

I’ve seen Ford Territory new Lion V6 engines for around $10k as a new option. Plus fitting. Same engine only with a few bits needing changeover from your engine.

NEW GENUINE FORD SZ TERRITORY 2.7L LION V6 DIESEL ENGINE 276DT | eBay (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0'mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2 F223042664334)

A second hand Territory V6 low km engine is the next step and there seems to be an independent repairer in each state skilled at the swap over.

I’ll be really interested to hear what LR say but that $40k is the dealer rate for sure.No good for a 3ltr replacement.

[PerthDisco]

99% sure 2010 tdv6 was 2.7

[loanrangie]

99% sure 2010 tdv6 was 2.7I think it was the change over year, also I thought it read as a 2014.

[Graeme]

MY10 had both 2.7 and 3.0, with the 3.0 badged TDV6.

What happened with the engine?

[DiscoJeffster]

99% sure 2010 tdv6 was 2.7

So not correct. Mine is a 2010 TDV6 and it’s a 3.0L full power. It was only in later years when they ditched the 2.7 that they went to TD and SD spec where the previous TD 3.0L spec became the SD spec.

[Eric SDV6SE]

So not correct. Mine is a 2010 TDV6 and it’s a 3.0L full power. It was only in later years when they ditched the 2.7 that they went to TD and SD spec where the previous TD 3.0L spec became the SD spec.

Do you know when exactly LR changed the tdv6 spec to SE spec? Mine is Dec10 built, MY11 SDV6SE spec, 3.0ltr twin turbo. I'm at 184000kms, oil services every 10k max or earlier, just done diffs, transfer case and transmission services, timing belts too. Touch wood all is well, I'm expecting to get 500000kms out of the engine with this maintenance routine. I use only full synthetic oils.

[DiscoJeffster]

Nothing. TD 3L was named SD as is. 2.7L was dropped and they went to a detuned 3.0L to replace the 2.7. That’s my understanding.

[DiscoJeffster]

I should add. You have done all the right things to make it live a long and healthy life but from what I’ve seen it means nothing. From my forum research I’ve seen low km well serviced units fail and high km fail with the same level of service. There seems no rhyme or reason for it

[Bytemrk]

It wasn't until the update model with th 8speed transmission that they went to the TDV6 and SDV6 both being twin turbo 3.0 motors. ( Same physical engine - different tune)

Prior to that they had a TDV6 2.7 single turbo and a 3.0 twin turbo that they called SDV6 in 2011 and 2012 , but confusingly they also called the same motor TDV6 in the HSE 2010 models!

If I remember rightly the 3.0 TDV6 was 155KW 520 Nm while the later SDV6 was 180 Kw 600Nm ( Which is what is under the bonnet of my 2012 SE)

[Eric SDV6SE]

If I remember rightly the 3.0 TDV6 was 155KW 520 Nm while the later SDV6 was 180 Kw 600Nm ( Which is what is under the bonnet of my 2012 SE)

Mines the SDV6SE 3.0 l twin turbo 180kw 600Nm (now a bit more [biggrin])with the ZF6HP28 6 Spd transmission. With a build date of Dec 2010, and considering the above, it looks like this engine variant was introduced around then and continued on until after 2012... there’s also a factory 188kW version....

[Russrobe]

Judging by the amount of sludge i've been removing this week from a 2004 magna which has 255k and 10K km service intervals, signed off by a mechanic all its life i'd say what matters equally as much is how it's driven. The worst kind of driving for sludge build up is the twice a week 5 minute drive to the shops which does nothing but add an extra coating of oil to the existing buildup, which then cools, sludges, repeat x100 and you've got 5mm thick build-up everywhere that doesn't get high pressure. Needs a good drive once or twice a week.

[Graeme]

MY10 3.0 180 kW TDV6
MY11 3.0 180 kW SDV6 because in UK & Europe the 2.7 was replaced by the 3.0 155 kW TDV6

[djam1]

How long would you expect a 2010 D4 TDV6 engine to last. Mine has imploded at 215,000 km and I don't feel this is reasonable.
All servicing done as per requirements by authorised Land Rover dealers.
At $40,000 for a new engine I am not happy.
Am I unreasonable?

Was it a broken crank?
Seems to be a daily occurrence in South Africa they have a terrible reputation over there not sure why we don't see the same issues here

[big harold]

Think yourself lucky I only got 106,000K out of a defender engine.
Mark

[Angus86]

2011 Tdv6 died at 450,000. Expected better reliability.

[PeterOZ]

that was about the km when mine **** itself. 197k from memory. $13k for 2nd hand territory donk (invoice stated 15,000km which I highly doubt), new radiator core, silicon hose, Y piece, aircon re-gas.

[101RRS]

2011 Tdv6 died at 450,000. Expected better reliability.


that was about the km when mine **** itself. 197k from memory.

450,000km is a lot different to 197,000km [bighmmm]

[PerthDisco]

2011 Tdv6 died at 450,000. Expected better reliability.

Interested to know what got it in the end?

[Graeme]

In my earlier days lots of engines would have had at least a new set of big-end bearings and possibly mains and rings too by this distance. I wonder if these engines could benefit from at least new big-end bearings at around 300-350K. Older engines would burn oil and the bearings would start to rattle when their bearings got loose whereas these engines would have destroyed the crankshaft before the bearings became that worn.

[BradC]

In my earlier days lots of engines would have had at least a new set of big-end bearings and possibly mains and rings too by this distance. I wonder if these engines could benefit from at least new big-end bearings at around 300-350K. Older engines would burn oil and the bearings would start to rattle when their bearings got loose whereas these engines would have destroyed the crankshaft before the bearings became that worn.

I’ve always wondered about the feasibility of dropping the sump and doing a bearing roll on the mains as well as the big ends. As mine is a manual, there will be more wear on the thrust bearing and I thought a preemptive strike would be better than another lunched crank.

I wonder if anyone has ever managed to reliably source a bearing set and get the clearances right? Apparently the shells have coloured paint, but surely that would be long gone on a worn bottom end.

[Graeme]

A member had his bottom end overhauled as a precaution.

[PerthDisco]

A member had his bottom end overhauled as a precaution.

@DiscoJeffster

I’m intrigued how you do it with sump off as the crank stays in. Can you slide the top bearing shells in pushing the old top shells out?

[Graeme]

IIRC DJ's engine was removed to do the overhaul.

[DiscoJeffster]

In my earlier days lots of engines would have had at least a new set of big-end bearings and possibly mains and rings too by this distance. I wonder if these engines could benefit from at least new big-end bearings at around 300-350K. Older engines would burn oil and the bearings would start to rattle when their bearings got loose whereas these engines would have destroyed the crankshaft before the bearings became that worn.

You may know that my 2010 3L had new bearings at 270,000km, mains, big end and thrust. The thrust was well out of kilter by double the tolerance. That was one of the reasons we decided to do it - never good when the crank moves backward and forward that much! Visible movement on the crank pulley.

I’m hoping it’s given me many more years of service as my life position doesn’t allow me to replace mine anytime soon. I’m now 312,000km

[PerthDisco]

You may know that my 2010 3L had new bearings at 270,000km, mains, big end and thrust. The thrust was well out of kilter by double the tolerance. That was one of the reasons we decided to do it - never good when the crank moves backward and forward that much! Visible movement on the crank pulley.

I’m hoping it’s given me many more years of service as my life position doesn’t allow me to replace mine anytime soon. I’m now 312,000km

How is it done in car?

[DiscoJeffster]

How is it done in car?

Oh it’s not (I don’t believe). Mine was in for oil leaks and other such things. One leak was my failed replacement of the intake manifold where I didn’t put silicone on the seal where the cam lobes are, other various aged seals etc.
it got new sump gaskets, new bearings, new oil pump, new gasket for the intake manifold (with sealant this time), new diesel return line as one was leaking (surprised my car didn’t go up in flames give the problem), and various other issues. Also fitted the new AC valve. I assume as it was body off they removed the engine, but I never asked and never saw.

All told it wasn’t cheap, but all told, I think an investment given where I want to be in it. I’m hoping it’ll see me through the next five years minimum.

[BradC]

@DiscoJeffster

I’m intrigued how you do it with sump off as the crank stays in. Can you slide the top bearing shells in pushing the old top shells out?

The whole concept of a bearing roll is to move the crank as little as possible to do just that. I know DJ had his done “engine out”.

[DiscoJeffster]

The whole concept of a bearing roll is to move the crank as little as possible to do just that. I know DJ had his done “engine out”.

“I paid da monee” buy wasn’t there sadly. I didn’t actually enquire either. I’m feeling quite unlike myself to be honest as I used to be the one who did this, or would have asked a thousand questions. Understand at the time I had three kids and an average time in my life and I let the team and myself down.
It won’t happen again. I got divorced. I’m note sure if that Land Rover was a factor [emoji1787]

[Eric SDV6SE]

I very much doubt it can be done with the engine in the car and not moving the crank. A few good videos on you tube on 2.7 and 3.0 rebuilds in the UK. I believe top and bottom shells are different and theyre a crush fit, so you can't just slide one out by pushing another half in. Secondly the main cap bolts go to 140Nm first then 90 degrees, doubt you'd have the room to get a suitable wrench in on all the cap bolts.

If I was going to do it, it would be body off, engine out for sure.

[BradC]

“I paid da monee” buy wasn’t there sadly.

Dude! Excrement happens and life tends to get in the way (sometimes good, and other times not). That's in no way a sleight, just "it is what it is". I've done "bearing rolls" on "lesser" motors, I was just pontificating that it would be nice if it could be done on the Lion variants.

[Angus86]

Interested to know what got it in the end?

Great car for first 5 years then a complete money pit with air suspension, transmission faults etc, but was willing to pay tens of thousands a year for it, alsways has serviced at landrover. After driving home after one major service with a gasket replaced all the oil drained from the engine and left trail of oil behind it on the road right from Landrover! Metal filings found where they shouldn’t be and that was beginning of the end. A year after that after another genuine service went down to 3 cylinders operating limp mode then wouldn’t start needed new engine. Finished. Interesting it always seemed to break down or develop issues after the genuine services...

[scarry]

Interesting it always seemed to break down or develop issues after the genuine services...

That’s why the majority on here use a good Indie that only specialises in LR’s.

Generally a lot cheaper and a lot better.