replacement headlight bulbs.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

looking at upgrading my headlight wattage.

found this;

<span style="color:red">PIAA GT-X replacement bulbs are designed with an exclusive purple low beam and an Xtreme White high beam. A purple topcoat gives the headlamp a bluish-purple look even when the lamp is turned off. GT-X bulbs feature PIAA's Xtra high efficiency technology that produces greater light output than the bulb's rated power consumption (for example, a bulb that consumes 45/65W of electricity has a light output that is similar to most 95/120W bulbs). GT-X bulbs are street-legal in Canada and all 50 U.S. states.

PIAA Xtra Technology Wattages

Example 55watts = 85watts of light output
H3: 55w = 110w
H4: 60/55w = 135/125w</span>

I know there have been posts on this subject before,, but not a lot.
maybe mines the only d2 around without a front bar :roll:

anyway, whats the go these days with higher lowbeam than hibeam wattages??

and whats legal around town?

[George130]

Don't know the legalities but mine has 90/130 what lights and passed rego.

[one_iota]

There are plenty of replacement globes about that don't emit that ghastly blue light.

I have Osram +50 and as they run at the same wattage as spec they should be legal. They helped but....

However the best thing I ever did was to employ drivesafe's wiring upgrade. (In the Projects and Tutorials Section). Welshman is doing this to his D2: http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Foru...iewtopic&t=5356 (http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5356)

My Disco's lights are now as good if not better than any lights on the road.

And legal just working at their designed output.

[George130]

The previous owner had already done the relay upgrade like drivesafe's project. Well worth it.

[JackH]

The legal requirements are 55/65w but unless someone actually does a physical inspection who would know.

The only thing that bothers me is the insurance aspect. Insurance companies are so pedantic at times that if you had an accident and they found your lights weren't 55/65w they might spit the dummy and wipe your policy 'cos the vehicle is not street legal.

I've got the Narva +50 and they are great and street legal at 55/65w but I'm going to look at drivesafe's wiring upgrade

Cheers,
Jack

[tombraider]

I'm running IPF "Fat boys" in my 'fender and their great.

Bit pricey though.

Cheers
Mike

[disconut]

Originally posted by tombraider
I'm running IPF "Fat boys" in my 'fender and their great.

Bit pricey though.

Cheers
Mike

Ditto.
Trev.

[p38arover]

Read this first: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bu...ulbs/bulbs.html (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by p38arover
Read this first: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html

yep, ok,, so Mr stern poo poos coloured lamps, and "85w from 65w bulbs",

good info, but it doesnt get me a "100w high beam on oem wiring"
:?

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Read this first: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html

yep, ok,, so Mr stern poo poos coloured lamps, and "85w from 65w bulbs",

good info, but it doesnt get me a "100w high beam on oem wiring"
:?[/b][/quote]

Mr Lucas B'st'd probably measured it in candelas or the number of unprotected candles still illuminating in a stiff breeze.

Mr Stern Esq. measures light output in Lumens and not Whats.

Pedro, I will swap over my Osrams for the OEM this weekend and with the trusty light meter I can measure the difference in Lux

:wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift@
<!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Read this first: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html

yep, ok,, so Mr stern poo poos coloured lamps, and "85w from 65w bulbs",

good info, but it doesnt get me a "100w high beam on oem wiring"
:?

Mr Lucas B'st'd probably measured it in candelas or the number of unprotected candles still illuminating in a stiff breeze.

Mr Stern Esq. measures light output in Lumens and not Whats.

Pedro, I will swap over my Osrams for the OEM this weekend and with the trusty light meter I can measure the difference in Lux

:wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

must cleanse my mind of soap jokes :roll: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Pedro_The_Swift@
<!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Read this first: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html

yep, ok,, so Mr stern poo poos coloured lamps, and "85w from 65w bulbs",

good info, but it doesnt get me a "100w high beam on oem wiring"
:?

Mr Lucas B'st'd probably measured it in candelas or the number of unprotected candles still illuminating in a stiff breeze.

Mr Stern Esq. measures light output in Lumens and not Whats.

Pedro, I will swap over my Osrams for the OEM this weekend and with the trusty light meter I can measure the difference in Lux

:wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

must cleanse my mind of soap jokes :roll: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Surfactant 8O

Insufficient Froth 8O

We might need to add some alum as a flocculate.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by one_iota
We might need to add some alum as a flocculate.

flocculate
• verb technical form or cause to form into small clumps or masses.

Umm, wouldn't that be flocculant?

Ron

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-one_iota
We might need to add some alum as a flocculate.

flocculate
• verb technical form or cause to form into small clumps or masses.

Umm, wouldn't that be flocculant?

Ron[/b][/quote]

Do you ever get that feeling of deja vu?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Simon

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Read this first: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html

yep, ok,, so Mr stern poo poos coloured lamps, and "85w from 65w bulbs",

good info, but it doesnt get me a "100w high beam on oem wiring"
:?[/b][/quote]



<span style="color:blue">before you worry about wiring.......what are your headlights made out of....
glass or plastic.....?</span>

[drivesafe]

The whole issue of improving low beam has a major limitation and that’s the legal height to which you can adjust your low beam.

Many people forget that you can increase the actual power of the lights but you CAN NOT increase the distance in front of the vehicle, that the light can illuminate.

If you can’t see the road that is being lit up by your low beam at present, then you will get a benefit of some form of low beam upgrade, be it newer type globes or wiring improvement but you are not going to light up any further down the road in front of you.

Next, the age of the vehicle will more than like have the greatest influence on whether you go for a wiring upgrade first or newer type globes.

The older the vehicle, the more likely a wiring upgrade will be very beneficial.

Now to globes, here I can only go on my own experience and use, with headlights ( not driving lights ) I have only played around with improving low beam recently and only on my RR as I have usually been in a position where high beam has always been far more important.

Only after working on my own vehicle did I get requests from mates to improve their headlights.

I actually had no need to improve the low beam light on the RR, it’’s just that I was blowing low beam globes on the RR on a fairly regular basis and while having to replace the globes, I decided to try to see if I could get better light from low beam for the shear hell of it.

I tried the Narva 50+ and found no noticeable difference in light, but remember, I was fitting them to a modern vehicle with better headlight wiring. Older vehicles may get an advantage from the Narva globes, I did not. I only had them on the RR for 48 hours.

One of my trade customers put me onto the Philips Crystal Vision globes and these were not cheap at the time so I was not going to be happy if they didn’t improve the low beam light.

Not only is the light vastly improved but after replacing 4 ordinary low beam globes in 12 months, I still have the same Philips globe after 3 years, so they have paid for themselves.

BTW, it was because I was so impressed with the Philips headlight globes, that I tried and then replaced all my 130w standard driving light globes with 55w Philips Crystal Visions and if you want to see what they look like a night, check out how WHITE the light is.

There are 2 night pictures on the page.

http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Foru...der=asc&start=0 (http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10833&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

[Ralf_the_RR]

OK, I have an opinion (as most do).

About a year ago I upgraded the headlights on my POS.
It had 1 sealed beam, and 1 halogen.

I bought some "Crystal" lights off ebay.
They cost $80ish delivered, so not that much of an investment.
They came came "Super White" look alike 90/100 globes.

All they seem to be are normal globes dipped in blue glass paint.
They put a blue tinge to everything, and don't look natural.
They don't perform that well.

I replaced the wiring and installed relays at the same time.

I am going to swap the globes back to normal halogen globes to see if that helps, but the lenses are definately better than what I had, so I guess I paid for the lenses only, and got a set of cr#p globes for nothing.

On another note, I just upgraded my Narva cheapo spotties to a set of Lightforce 170s.
WOW!

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Ralf_the_RR
OK, I have an opinion (as most do).

About a year ago I upgraded the headlights on my POS.
It had 1 sealed beam, and 1 halogen.

I bought some "Crystal" lights off ebay.
They cost $80ish delivered, so not that much of an investment.
They came came "Super White" look alike 90/100 globes.

All they seem to be are normal globes dipped in blue glass paint.
They put a blue tinge to everything, and don't look natural.
They don't perform that well.

I replaced the wiring and installed relays at the same time.

I am going to swap the globes back to normal halogen globes to see if that helps, but the lenses are definately better than what I had, so I guess I paid for the lenses only, and got a set of cr#p globes for nothing.

On another note, I just upgraded my Narva cheapo spotties to a set of Lightforce 170s.
WOW!


Yes to all including the spotties

[one_iota]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-one_iota
We might need to add some alum as a flocculate.

flocculate
• verb technical form or cause to form into small clumps or masses.

Umm, wouldn't that be flocculant?

Ron[/b][/quote]

That has cleared things

Better flocculant than flatulent :roll: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:

[p38arover]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Umm, wouldn't that be flocculant?

That has cleared things[/b][/quote]

Very droll! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by one_iota




Pedro, I will swap over my Osrams for the OEM this weekend and with the trusty light meter I can measure the difference in Lux

:wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


so,, is it the weekend in sid in e yet?
or- *bump* if you prefer :wink:

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">you are so impatient....you should be driving a crusier......</span>

[Pedro_The_Swift]

8O 8O

and i remember you as being so polite :!:

[George130]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Now thats a bit harsh!

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-one_iota




Pedro, I will swap over my Osrams for the OEM this weekend and with the trusty light meter I can measure the difference in Lux

:wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


so,, is it the weekend in sid in e yet?
or- *bump* if you prefer :wink:[/b][/quote]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Ok....

Remember the rotten egg gas experiments we did in school science?

Aim:

To measure the difference in light output between OEM headlight lamps and Osram +50% lamps

Method:

Park Disco 600 mm from garage wall (garage unlit)
Ignite Disco and low beam.
Find brightest spot on wall and mark position of light meter on wall. (Driver's Side)
Measure level with light meter and record.
Quench lights.
Change lamps (caution lamp is hot 8O :oops: :roll: )
Turn on lights.
Place light meter on mark, measure and record
Scratch head and do it again
Extinguish lights and Disco
Refit superior lamps.


Results:

OEM lamps: 26200 light thingies
Osram lamps: 25900 light thingies

Conclusion:

8O :?

[drivesafe]

Hi One, this is basically what I found with the Narva 50+.

I wander they are actually the same globe as the Osram.

Any body want a cheap set of Narva 50+ globes. Only done about two hours work. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[one_iota]

Originally posted by drivesafe
Hi One, this is basically what I found with the Narva 50+.

I wander they are actually the same globe as the Osram.

Any body want a cheap set of Narva 50+ globes. Only done about two hours work. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I recollect that the Osrams made a difference visually at the time I installed them (pre-wiring upgrade). Or maybe it was just a colour change.

I wonder if the wiring upgrade is a factor? I measured betwen 20 to 30% improvement when I did that. This is the best route.

[drivesafe]

The more I study into light improvement the more I think the wiring upgrade is the way to go too.

I have a set of IPFs and I’m anything but impressed with them and I personally find them some what over rated.

After our GCLRO Club workshop last weekend, where a number of members were fitting IPFs, the first thing I noticed was the grossly inadequate wiring loom that came with the lights.

This is not an uncommon feature of any brand of driving lights that come with there own loom. They are all made with wire that can only be rated as bear minimum thickness wire.

When you are paying the price that is asked for driving lights like IPFs, these pathetic wire looms are nothing short of ****POOR.

To add problem, with the waterproof IPFs, is that upgrading is made harder because they have their own independent type of plugs and sockets which means cutting and joining wire is required to improve the cabling.

The next time I need new driving lights, IPFs will not be high on my list of choices.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

A long time ago--
when I did my electrical appenticeship( :roll: )

after we had refurbished them,
we had to re-lug the starter cables on Snowy Mountains DC generators,,

the Commission would randomly pick a lug to be cut in half,,

and these were 45 mm across---

a dry joint would have cost the company ???
maybe not the contract,, maybe.

talk to me about soldered joints. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[amtravic1]

I was in Autobahn yeterday. I saw some Philips globes so enquired about them. The salesman said "do not waste money on the crystal vision globes". he says that they are not adr approved, (I dont care about that anyway) and that they have a white/blue light with LESS distance than the cheapest of their upgraded globes. I have my own upgraded wiring loom with IPF 80/110 globes and was not in the market for globes, just interested in what had been written about globes. The Philips globes he recommended were about $55.00, the crystal visions were about $150.00. I would be ****ed off if I bought $150.00 globes only to find they perform worse than the cheaper ones.
Hope this helps save someone some money.

Ian

[drivesafe]

One of my customers was Autobarn at Burleigh Junction and the manager was the one that put me onto the Crystal Visions in the first place. He is also 4x4 owner.

But as I posted, shop around, Autobarn are one of the dearest places to buy the Philip’s globes.

One thing I will agree with, the white light does not seem to have the range the the yellow lights have but as you can make out objects at a greater distance than with the yellow lights, the white lights are still a safer option.

Now this may all sound double dutch but look at it this way, with yellow lights, even though they light up further down the road, give everything a yellow tinge. The roadway, the grass, the trees, the kangaroos and so on and it’s not until you are much closer that you actually make out the kangaroo standing in the grass beside the road.

Where the white light differs is in the way in which individual object’s colours are much more separated so you can make out that browny grey kangaroo standing in the green grass at a greater distance than would be done with yellow lights.

It’s a case of seeing is believing.

If I get a chance, the next time I’m out on a night drive with some of the GCLRO Club members, I’ll see if I can set up a comparison set of pictures to give you an idea of how well the 55w white lights work as against someone else's 100w or 130w yellow lights.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

just installed some phillips vision +50's
will try them out tonight,,

and all you d2 owners out there--
carefull pushing the plugs back on
8O