Interesting bull bar choice

[gofish]

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[Ean Austral]

must have been an ex Toyota L/C owner from the Territory. Plenty of that style of bar on Toyota's up here.

OR

A wannabe kenworth driver.[bigrolf]

Cheers Ean

[Konradical]

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[gofish]

It's the B&S version for the ute muster

[rangieman]

It's the B&S version for the ute muster
Nah needs a extra post [bigrolf]
https://www.tuffbullbars.com.au/uploads/shopEasy/products/images/vokbzjklbz.jpg

[trout1105]

W.. T.. F..


X2
A bullbar is a great accessory to fit on your truck But this one makes it look like the truck has been added as the accessory[bigwhistle]

[Konradical]

X2
A bullbar is a great accessory to fit on your truck But this one makes it look like the truck has been added as the accessory[bigwhistle]Agree.. it's like they have fitted it just because they have on previous cars.

They weigh a lot so it would have been a terrible ride. A former boss had one fitted to his GXL 79 series on delivery, we ended up changing front springs due to sag after 4 months. Was still very bouncy on the highway

[grey_ghost]

Hideous [emoji15]

[scarry]

They have been around for a while,saw one on a D4 on the M1 not long ago.

In country areas they are very common on all types of vehicles,for obvious reasons.

At least the front on the D4 won't sag with the EAS.

[shack]

That is obscene,

A lot of that style on 200 series here, I won't mention the brand...

I can understand why owners use them due to the horrendous roo problem we have here, with reports of some hitting up to 4 per day each way on just the school run,

But they are ugly, and of course the 200 series is too low at the front from standard without a heavy bar, makes it treacherous to navigate a speed hump.At least the D4 will pump itself back up.

[Stiltz]

When speaking with an accessories installer Toyota, JLR etc strongly discourage these bars because of a) excess weight on overhangs and b) unintended impact to the chassis from the bar in an incident.
It might save your radiator from a roo but would likely write off the car

[Aussie Jeepster]

SURELY that can't be airbag compatible - can it?

[Redback]

SURELY that can't be airbag compatible - can it?

Yep, made by Tuff Bullbars in Toowoomba.

[shack]

When speaking with an accessories installer Toyota, JLR etc strongly discourage these bars because of a) excess weight on overhangs and b) unintended impact to the chassis from the bar in an incident.
It might save your radiator from a roo but would likely write off the carYou are possibly correct if the accident was with another vehicle, but most (99%)
Of accidents locally are with kangaroos, so that type of bull bar is quite effective against damage....well at the front anyway, usually they hit on the front corner, roll down the side along the rail, then dent all the doors on the way through to the back, but at least you are still mobile.
I remember the first time I ever saw a "tuff"
Brand bar,I honestly thought it was a truck bar someone had poorly cut to fit a cruiser.
Just shows what I know....

[Arapiles]

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Yes, this brand and style of bullbar is all over FNQ but I have no idea why this particular car is in Port Melbourne, and I seriously hope no-one would be driving this thing around Melbourne.

[Arapiles]

Nah needs a extra post [bigrolf]
https://www.tuffbullbars.com.au/uploads/shopEasy/products/images/vokbzjklbz.jpg

I think that the 5 post ones were actually banned.

[pop058]

The traditional 5 poster (B&S style) lean well forward which, I believe is the main No-No with compliance. Both the above ones appear to lean back slightly.

[Kandy]

You are possibly correct if the accident was with another vehicle, but most (99%)
Of accidents locally are with kangaroos, so that type of bull bar is quite effective against damage....well at the front anyway, usually they hit on the front corner, roll down the side along the rail, then dent all the doors on the way through to the back, but at least you are still mobile.
I remember the first time I ever saw a "tuff"
Brand bar,I honestly thought it was a truck bar someone had poorly cut to fit a cruiser.
Just shows what I know....

Made in Toowoomba and cost around 5k. I spoke to a travelling opthamologist in Charleville, Tuff used his vehicle as a trial, he travels 60k per year out there, swore by it, "get the 3 poster" horses for courses, I didnt get one, too heavy.

[DiscoJeffster]

Yes, you cannot have the forward lean for compliance which is to improve pedestrian safety. Supposedly it’s not ok to shove pedestrians under your vehicle and double squash them

[HunterJ]

Yes, this brand and style of bullbar is all over FNQ but I have no idea why this particular car is in Port Melbourne, and I seriously hope no-one would be driving this thing around Melbourne.

Why not! If the guy goes bush frequently and does plenty of K's it will save him $$$$$$$ in smash repairs from the ferals that line the side of our country roads!!!!!! For us country folk that do big K's bars are not for show they have a purpose.

Having had an immaculate much loved D2 WITH A BAR written off due to kangaroo impact I wish I had a Tuff on it - it would still be on the road today. I can tell you it ain't fun hitting a 70kg buck roo at 100 at night!!!!!. Didn't;'t set the airbags off but I remain wondering what kind of mess that would have turned into if they had ????????????

Sorry, country boy here fed up with city boy bias on what us country people need to do to prevent major damage. In NSW, the 'lobby' supported by Duncan Gay even tried to ban bars in the metro areas!!!!!! That would stuff me because I drive to Sydney (from Tamworth) and back very fortnight plus I'm doing well over 1500k in between Sydney trips - yup I could get a modern plastic based Ranger/BT50/Dmax etc etc but nothing beats the Disco for comfort and long legs.

Sorry again guys, I'm generally a silent observer absorbing the great info and experience that you all offer so generously but this one I had to have a crack at.
Keep safe all
Hunter

[cucinadio]

Would make a great snow plough 😂


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[Arapiles]

Why not! If the guy goes bush frequently and does plenty of K's it will save him $$$$$$$ in smash repairs from the ferals that line the side of our country roads!!!!!! For us country folk that do big K's bars are not for show they have a purpose.

This D4 is being sold in Port Melbourne - not a lot of kangaroo strike problems there. Maybe it could be bought by someone who lives outside Melbourne - but there's not really that big an issue with kangaroo strike in Victoria, unlike in say central NSW.


Sorry, country boy here fed up with city boy bias on what us country people need to do to prevent major damage .... Sorry again guys, I'm generally a silent observer absorbing the great info and experience that you all offer so generously but this one I had to have a crack at.

I grew up on a farm in the Wimmera, original settlers in the 1880s, roads named after us etc etc, siblings in the ag industry, I'm involved too, so I'm not a city boy. As a general issue I think that bullbars are stupid - we've never had one on any of our vehicles on our property, but I accept that there are parts of the country where they might help - but Port Melbourne isn't one of those areas. As I said, I genuinely hope this thing doesn't end up being driven around Melbourne.

[Bigbjorn]

I note it is painted or powder coated. Are these bars steel? Would be a lot of added mass to the front end. I wonder about the weight distribution. % front and rear before and after the bar is fitted. What effect this added mass would have on the life and reliability of front suspension components.

As to the popular nomenclature "bull bar". If you hit even a small bovine with a passenger vehicle or 4WD your trip and your vehicle will be seriously stuffed. Hit a 2000 lb. bullock with a road train prime mover and the vehicle is usually a tow away. These popular light vehicle bars might save you from a sheep or roo or small hog.

[Arapiles]

I note it is painted or powder coated. Are these bars steel? Would be a lot of added mass to the front end. I wonder about the weight distribution. % front and rear before and after the bar is fitted. What effect this added mass would have on the life and reliability of front suspension components.

As to the popular nomenclature "bull bar". If you hit even a small bovine with a passenger vehicle or 4WD your trip and your vehicle will be seriously stuffed. Hit a 2000 lb. bullock with a road train prime mover and the vehicle is usually a tow away. These popular light vehicle bars might save you from a sheep or roo or small hog.

Yes, I'm pretty sure this style is steel although they do also have alloy ones.

[Konradical]

I note it is painted or powder coated. Are these bars steel? Would be a lot of added mass to the front end. I wonder about the weight distribution. % front and rear before and after the bar is fitted. What effect this added mass would have on the life and reliability of front suspension components.

As to the popular nomenclature "bull bar". If you hit even a small bovine with a passenger vehicle or 4WD your trip and your vehicle will be seriously stuffed. Hit a 2000 lb. bullock with a road train prime mover and the vehicle is usually a tow away. These popular light vehicle bars might save you from a sheep or roo or small hog.They are steel. Most of the construction is around 5-6mm thick and they are heavy. Even the side steps are heavy and you can hear it when you step on them. Every 79 my boss had, had these bars, side rails and steps on them. Four months after new the front springs and shocks had to be replaced. Having driven a 79 with and without this set up, with the Tuff Bar it is very wollowy. Especially at 130 on the Vic Hwy! Which of course it's pointless because you would never make Timber Creek from Katherine at those speeds.

[SeanC]

I saw something very much like this on the Warrego Highway yesterday.

Untitled - Google Photos (https://photos.app.goo.gl/FdC162EcNQs4RcAq7)

[gofish]

I saw something very much like this on the Warrego Highway yesterday.

Untitled - Google Photos (https://photos.app.goo.gl/FdC162EcNQs4RcAq7)

Did it have "The baby stole my Bundy" sticker on the back window ?

[SeanC]

If you had to go to the shop to get a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk it may be a two trip job to stop going over gvm.Shared album - Sean Corley - Google Photos (https://photos.app.goo.gl/fhLsFr8MaKjzzhfTA)

[Arapiles]

If you had to go to the shop to get a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk it may be a two trip job to stop going over gvm. Shared album - Sean Corley - Google Photos (https://photos.app.goo.gl/fhLsFr8MaKjzzhfTA)

If a standard steel bullbar weighs 80kg that thing must be at least 120kg.

[loanrangie]

If a standard steel bullbar weighs 80kg that thing must be at least 120kg.When I fitted my arb bar I lifted it in place myself easily so no where near 80kg, I remember tombie saying the bar only adds 20kg once all the factory parts are removed.

[Arapiles]

When I fitted my arb bar I lifted it in place myself easily so no where near 80kg, I remember tombie saying the bar only adds 20kg once all the factory parts are removed.

That was an estimate from an article quoting the owners of East Coast Bullbar - they said the average steel bar was 80kg but their alloy ones were 35kg. ARB noticeably don't quote weights for their steel bars.

Edit: this thread shows ARB bullbars being 80+ kg - have a look at the net weights listed on the boxes.

Bull Bar Weight | 4x4Earth (https://4x4earth.com/forum/index.php'threads/bull-bar-weight.33712/)

Also, ECB are (again) quoted in the thread as saying that steel bars average 80kg.

So, that copy of a Tuff must weigh well over 100kg.

And, by the way, given how high above the bonnet that thing sits, it must also affect forward vision.