Series 2a rego vehicle type

[Cap]

So we all know that the Series are very versatile, can be a ute, a wagon and even topless. If I want to register the S2a with bench seats out back on the 2a (pre-seat belts), can one do this as a ute or do I need to register it as a wagon for the seats to be included?

I plan to use it as a ute most times but will change it to a wagon when I need to carry stuff securely or out of the elements, but dont want to lose the ability to carry people out back.

On that note, can one carry people out the back of a ute if it has seats (just curious)?

[pop058]

If you want to carry bodies in the back, it would need to be registered with the seats. Tempory removed of seating is allowed ( in Qld at least ) without engineering.

[B.S.F.]

If you want to carry bodies in the back, it would need to be registered with the seats. Tempory removed of seating is allowed ( in Qld at least ) without engineering.And the cop that books you will decide what temporary means........I assume ?
.W.

[pop058]

And the cop that books you will decide what temporary means........I assume ?
.W.

Not at all. If the can be unbolted and refitted without structural changes, it is deemed temporary.

[1950landy]

In Qld if your vehicle is unregitered & you take for a RWC with the the seats in the back the inspector marks the RWC with the number of seats 3, 5 or 7 & Qld Transport will register as per the number of seats on the RWC. But if it is already registered as a 3 seater & you fit the seats in the back you are in trouble .

[bemm52]

I registered Jade with no roof, seatbelts, and seats in the back in Victoria....... got a roadworthy certificate in this configuration then made it official at Vic roads

They asked me what the seating capacity was and I said five, two in the back and three in the front, I think more seating capacity means more revenue to them, Rego was/is quiet exxy $700 plus per year

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I have since refurbed and added hardtop

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Hopefully Tasmanian bureaucrats are equally understanding......roadworthy certificate is first step here in Victoria

Cheers Paul

[Cap]

Thanks all. I will reg with hard top and rear seat(s) as to get the number of seats on paper.

[harry]

Make sure you register it as a ‘utility vehicle’ this then allows it to be any variant as these can be anything from a Ute to a station wagon

[JDNSW]

The description 'utility vehicle' is likely to vary from state to state - for example, I have not heard of it being used in NSW! Check with your local authority what to call it. In NSW, you are only given the options of the body types listed on the computer for that model, although this can be changed if you want to persist, but it will have to go to head office!

[ezyrama]

The description 'utility vehicle' is likely to vary from state to state - for example, I have not heard of it being used in NSW! Check with your local authority what to call it. In NSW, you are only given the options of the body types listed on the computer for that model, although this can be changed if you want to persist, but it will have to go to head office!

Funnily enough, when I used to have a Minimoke Californian in NSW many moons ago, the transport dept classed it as a commercial vehicle, ie utility vehicle, even though it had rear seats. I argued with them every year, how can it be a ute if it's registered with rear seats, to no avail, as it was too hard for the plebs in the transport department to get their minuscule brains around it. It cost me more for rego, but back in the day before all the rules changed I used to have a lot of fun with the parking cops when I parked it in the loading zones. It usually went like this;

Me, Why are writing me a parking ticket mate?
Them, Because you are parked in a loading zone son.
Me, 1, dont call me son, because I am not your son and 2, I can park here for 20 minutes if I want too.
Them, no you cannot.
I would wait until he was almost finished, then pull out the red rego papers stating commercial vehicle & watch him tear it up.

[Bigbjorn]

My County wagon is complianced as a "motor omnibus". Brisbane City council parking regulations allow buses with the "seats removed temporarily for carriage of cargo" to use loading zones. Parking inspectors naturally regard it as a station wagon thus a passenger vehicle not a commercial vehicle. First time I got a ticket I took it to the office with a photo of the compliance plate, the registration papers showing 10 seats, and a print of their own regulation. No dice. If I wished to dispute the ticket I could do so in court. Some months later in the magistrates court I produced the same documents. Magistrate told council's solicitor that this matter should never have come to court and instructed council to cancel the ticket. I asked for my costs (travel and a day's salary) which His Worship declined. I have had a few more run-ins since then but tickets were never again issued after I produced the laminated copy of the letter from Council cancelling the ticket.

[JohnboyLandy]

So what happens when you go to register a Landy in a state where it had been previously registered and they look it up via the chassis number ? Would they not insist on classifying it the same as it was for previous registration ?

I intend to register my ex-army 109" 11 seater (11 seats on compliance plate) in QLD where I know it was previously registered, but I don't know what it was previously classified as. All I have to go off is the PPSR report, which says "Body Type" is "Mini Bus".

[ezyrama]

So what happens when you go to register a Landy in a state where it had been previously registered and they look it up via the chassis number ? Would they not insist on classifying it the same as it was for previous registration ?

I intend to register my ex-army 109" 11 seater (11 seats on compliance plate) in QLD where I know it was previously registered, but I don't know what it was previously classified as. All I have to go off is the PPSR report, which says "Body Type" is "Mini Bus".

Hi Johnboy
I think behind the banana curtain you can register a car as private or commercial depending on what you want to use it for. When I registered Ralph, I walked in Southport QT and when I gave the girl the chassis number she punched it in and said,
"1966 2 door Landrover Petrol ute". I said, "No, 1964 2 door Landrover Diesel wagon"
She had no idea what to do, so the lady next to her asked what the problem was, we told her, she came around and just changed the details in the computer to what I said. Done, registered.
Cheers Ian

[JohnboyLandy]

Thanks Ian, good to know, I'll try the same tactic :-)

Cheers,
John

[Cap]

Luckily for me, theres no records for them to compare against... hmmm maybe I should throw in a Cummins V8 turbo diesel :P

[UncleHo]

G'Day
My 68 ex-army 2a GS canvas top fitted with 4 original folding seats in the rear is registered as a "minibus" with seating for 11 that is 3 in front and 8 in the rear it was on full rego but I have changed it to "Historic" as I am in a recognised vehicle club (Military Jeep Club of Qld) which means I can use my vehicle to attend any function of a similar club but I can revert to full rego if I wish,this saves me a lot of $ [smilebigeye] $225 approx compared to $716-60 plus plates if needed.

It is also NOT fitted with seat belts front or rear.


Cheers

[JohnboyLandy]

Thanks UncleHo, yeah mine's a 71 ex-army 2a GS canvas top fitted with 4 original folding seats in the rear too, so I guess it will be minibus for me !!

Cheers,
John

[Cap]

Went to Service Tas to ask the question regarding what they have as an option. The person I spoke to actually knows about the old Series, so he completely understood about the various combinations one could have.

Unfortunately, he did say there was no option to select something like Utility (not Ute), but said the best bet would be to rego it as a station wagon with seats out back to give the best setup as you cant register it as a ute with seats out back.

He also said there was no requirement for seat belts if non where fitted at factory (already knew that but good to confirm), however IF i did put belts on that would require a engineers mod approval.

I also checked my chassis number and there was nothing in the system. Apparently in 2008 they changed over systems and old stuff wasnt carried forward, assuming it was ever registered in Tas.

So will go with the hard top wagon, 7 seater (3 front, 2x bench seats back) and then I got room to move (pun intended).

[harry]

Well, having read all the posts, I only wish to add that if you register it as a ‘utility vehicle’
note, not Ute! You can drive the vehicle in any configuration above the bare ‘ute’ basic vehicle.
for example, if you register it as a station wagon, you cannot take the roof off and drive it as a Ute
check out what Land Rover called it, utility vehicle, that does not mean ‘ute’

[Bigbjorn]

When I worked at Leyland Truck & Bus in the 1970's we registered all private (as opposed to commercial use) Land Rovers other than station wagons and RR's as "private use utility". Private utes then had the lowest rate of CTP insurance. Things have changed since then and I have no idea of current classifications.

[Cap]

When I talked to the authority, the only classifications (type) they have on the system are: Sedan, Station Wagon, Camper Van, Utes, Trucks, Vans and Bus up to 2.9 tonne

So ill have to chat with the inspector, see perhaps if a comment can be made (there is a comments section in the inspection form) that the vehicle is a Utility and as such is a multi-type vehicle. Not sure if that will fly tho with either the inspector or the authority, but ill try!

[Homestar]

Late to the party here but I’d guess that it would be best to register it as a wagon if you want to have it seat more than 3 people. Once it’s registered as a wagon it’s easy to use as a Ute, but not the other way around as I doubt you’d get a Ute registered with more than 3 seating positions.

As has been mentioned previously, it is acceptable to temporarily remove rear seats without affecting how it is classed in most states (not sure I Tassie, you’d need to check) - if you get pulled up it’s simple to say ‘I took the seats out to go to the tip’ etc.

When my RRC was on the road, the back seat spent half it’s time in the garage, it was much more useful that way.

[101RRS]

Why not just register as a sedan - I am thinnking here something the equivalent to a two door 5 seat BMW convertible. You can have the top down and have people sitting in the back, top up like a normal car - seats in use or not.

Same with a series - top down, passengers in the back seats, top up the same.

My Haflinger was on full registration in Tas and is a 4 seater - was registered as a Haflinger Tray - I see Tray is not on your list of options yet that is what my rego docs say.

Here in the ACT it is termed a Light Truck as is my 101 - 2 tonne difference in weights.

While the prudent this was to go and ask the authorities about this, often it is better to present the vehicle and take it from there - eg soft top and seats in the back.

Good luck with it - not easy.

Garry

[Cap]

You are both correct, this is the advice given by the person at Service Tas. He said to go with Sedan and then ill have rego for passengers at the back. BUT he also said to discuss with the inspector as to what is best - no doubt it will be the same as I intend to have it with the hardtop on on the day of inspection.

The joys of dealing with an old vehicle that the 'system' cant cater for :rulez: