Jacking Car

[rocket rod]

This is a really dumb question but here goes (yes I've searched); How do you jack up the car to change a tyre? Now hear me out first. I have a trolley jack and it's brilliant. Works under any conditions, is pretty safe and gets the job done by placing it under the control arms, but it's a bit bulky. So now I've bought a bottle jack and adaptor. Now the fun begins, no matter what procedure I've followed the wheel never lifts off the ground. Here's a summary of the various methods;
1. Follow the owners manual exactly. Off road height, hazard lights on, doors shut. Jack up from the chassis point. Wheel stays on the ground.
2. Off road height, place jack under chassis point, select normal height (to lift tyre off the road), goes into extended mode, wheel stays on the ground.
3. Similar to point 2 but with door open, wheel stays on ground.
4. Multitude of other combinations, wheel stays on the ground.

Unless someone can help me with a foolproof way of using the bottle jack, I think I'll keep the trolley jack in the car.

[101RRS]

You need a bottle jack with a higher lift - it is too short, that is why you cannot get the wheel off the ground.

But why not put the bottle jack under the suspension arms as you did with your trolley jack?

If is hard to get a bottle jack that goes high enough to lift the wheel off the ground but low enough to get under the chassis when the wheel is flat. I go to offroad height, use the standard jack just to get the car high enough to get the bottle jack under the chassis and then jack up - reverse when letting down. But generally I can get the bottle jack under the suspension arms somewhere.

Garry

[Bigbjorn]

You need a bottle jack with a higher lift - it is too short, that is why you cannot get the wheel off the ground.

But why not put the bottle jack under the suspension arms as you did with your trolley jack?

If is hard to get a bottle jack that goes high enough to lift the wheel off the ground but low enough to get under the chassis when the wheel is flat. I go to offroad height, use the standard jack just to get the car high enough to get the bottle jack under the chassis and then jack up - reverse when letting down. But generally I can get the bottle jack under the suspension arms somewhere.

Garry

You drive the flat tyred wheel up onto the spare tyre then put the bottle jack under the control arm. Old truckie trick.

[LRJim]

This is a really dumb question but here goes (yes I've searched); How do you jack up the car to change a tyre? Now hear me out first. I have a trolley jack and it's brilliant. Works under any conditions, is pretty safe and gets the job done by placing it under the control arms, but it's a bit bulky. So now I've bought a bottle jack and adaptor. Now the fun begins, no matter what procedure I've followed the wheel never lifts off the ground. Here's a summary of the various methods;
1. Follow the owners manual exactly. Off road height, hazard lights on, doors shut. Jack up from the chassis point. Wheel stays on the ground.
2. Off road height, place jack under chassis point, select normal height (to lift tyre off the road), goes into extended mode, wheel stays on the ground.
3. Similar to point 2 but with door open, wheel stays on ground.
4. Multitude of other combinations, wheel stays on the ground.

Unless someone can help me with a foolproof way of using the bottle jack, I think I'll keep the trolley jack in the car.Did you unscrew the top of the bottle jack to max out the height 1st?

[DiscoJeffster]

I carry a 40mm thick jacking plate that gets me the additional height from my bottle jack. If that’s fails me due to terrain then I’d switch to the suspension arm as suggested.

[SeanC]

I feel your pain. Went through all the different permutations too. In the end I screwed 2 pieces of 4”x2” together that I had lying around. This is about the same as the wall height of an inflated tyre. I drive the flat onto the block and put the bottle jack under the control arm.

You can get 2 and 3 stage jacks that will give extra lift. This one goes from 150mm to 450 mm.


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[rocket rod]

I've got the right jack for the job, Omega 2T, I guess I just wasn't expecting to have to fully extend it and that somehow there was another trick up the sleeve. It can't go under the control arm as that is too unsafe. I reckon I'll keep using my floor jack then.

[kelvo]

I've got the right jack for the job, Omega 2T, I guess I just wasn't expecting to have to fully extend it and that somehow there was another trick up the sleeve. It can't go under the control arm as that is too unsafe. I reckon I'll keep using my floor jack then.
That is probably the problem. As you are from Perth I’ll assume you bought it from Blackwoods. Omega changed the spec of the jack, but Blackwoods didn’t update their website to reflect the changes.

The correct jack specs are printed on the jack (Minimum height 173mm & maximum height 418mm). Where as Blackwoods indicate the original measurements of 181mm minimum and 442mm maximum. I filled out the Blavkwoods ‘information is incorrect ‘ but on the web page about 4 weeks ago, doesn’t look like it’s been updated.

I found that with a deflated rear tyre I was able to raise it high enough with the D4 in access height to be able to change the wheel. In off-road height I wasn’t able to get the required height.

I was doing this without an adapter (Just call me Mr Reckless), which I would think would add another 5-10mm to the height. Eventually I’ll get an adapter and have a square of 25mm ply to sit the jack on.

[ATH]

It's so long since I've had to change a wheel I've forgotten how to do it. :) I've got a small hyd. bottle jack from one of my Defenders I think plus the scissor jack which I detest. What a useless and cheap nasty piece of crap this is. LR should be ashamed of themselves for supplying something fit only for a little buzz box from you know where.....
I'm going to pop into Blackwoods soon and buy another hyd. jack and see what adaptors they can supply as well although I believe the one most use are from private sources.
AlanH.

[Nicky]

Let the D4 lower and then lock the switch there. Now use the bottle jack under the control arm

[rocket rod]

That is probably the problem. As you are from Perth I’ll assume you bought it from Blackwoods. Omega changed the spec of the jack, but Blackwoods didn’t update their website to reflect the changes.

The correct jack specs are printed on the jack (Minimum height 173mm & maximum height 418mm). Where as Blackwoods indicate the original measurements of 181mm minimum and 442mm maximum. I filled out the Blavkwoods ‘information is incorrect ‘ but on the web page about 4 weeks ago, doesn’t look like it’s been updated.

I found that with a deflated rear tyre I was able to raise it high enough with the D4 in access height to be able to change the wheel. In off-road height I wasn’t able to get the required height.

I was doing this without an adapter (Just call me Mr Reckless), which I would think would add another 5-10mm to the height. Eventually I’ll get an adapter and have a square of 25mm ply to sit the jack on.

I didn't know that, but now I do. If someone in Perth wants an adaptor I have a brand new one for sale now?

[ATH]

I'll have the adaptor if it hasn't already gone Rod.
Cheers.
AlanH.

[DiscoJeffster]

I concur. I was one of the first to get the new version Omega that didn’t have the full height. Frustrated to say the least

[Redback]

We always carry 2 jacks, the reason being sometimes the car will bring up a fault and lower itself so you can't get a jack under it, so I carry a small trolley jack (2 ton minimum)and a bottle jack, saved our bacon when we got 2 flats on the Gibb River Road, not to mention carrying a second spare did also.

[101RRS]

We always carry 2 jacks, the reason being sometimes the car will bring up a fault and lower itself so you can't get a jack under it, so I carry a small trolley jack (2 ton minimum)and a bottle jack, saved our bacon when we got 2 flats on the Gibb River Road, not to mention carrying a second spare did also.

While the OEM jack is dangerous and of no real use if lifting the car right up, it is OK for lifting the car just enough (not taking much weight) to get a high lift bottle jack under the car. Doesn't take up much space as a trolley jack and there is a designated storage spot for it.

[weeds]

While the OEM jack is dangerous and of no real use if lifting the car right up, it is OK for lifting the car just enough (not taking much weight) to get a high lift bottle jack under the car. Doesn't take up much space as a trolley jack and there is a designated storage spot for it.

Depends if it’s essential that the bottle jack sits in the jacking point......or the other way around.

[Redback]

While the OEM jack is dangerous and of no real use if lifting the car right up, it is OK for lifting the car just enough (not taking much weight) to get a high lift bottle jack under the car. Doesn't take up much space as a trolley jack and there is a designated storage spot for it.

Hi Garry, tried the OEM scissor jack, won't lift the car from the bump stops, just twisted and collapsed under the weight and was almost impossible to wind, so it went into the bin, thankfully we took the trolley jack, our daughter suggested we take it when she left us and went home at Uluru and we carried on for the rest of our trip.

We use the Disco 2 bottle jack, works a treat and is a 2 stage jack.

[cjc_td5]

I use the Omega jack into the dimple on the suspension arm. No issues to date...

[rocket rod]

Hi All

After a bit of head scratching I decided to try again and in fact the jack does lift the car enough to get the wheel off (screwing out the extension) so thanks to those who were after the adaptor but I'll keep it. I got my through Tuffant as they recently did a production run and may still have them in stock.

I have both the scissor and bottle jacks stored under the 2nd row of seats (heaps of space under there for all sorts of things). Also I've used the "drive the flat wheel up onto a rock" technique so as to get a jack under the chassis to get me out of trouble before so I think now I'm ok to leave the trolley jack in the shed next outback trip I do. All of this was in the interest in saving weight BTW.

Thanks for all your replies.

[RANDLOVER]

You drive the flat tyred wheel up onto the spare tyre then put the bottle jack under the control arm. Old truckie trick.

Won't that break the bead on the spare, or do you have to have it pumped up really hard?

[slug_burner]

It is hard enough breaking the bead when the tyre is flat. If you drive onto the wheel instead of around the edge you should be ok