Series 3 Game Wheel Track

[Buckers]

Hello all,

I hope someone can help me. I have just bought a 1977 SWB Game (88") from the ACT and want to register it in NSW. It has 15" Sunrasias on it (as per original I am told) and factory fitted flares on the guards.

The blue slip provider has knocked me back on the Wheel Track measurements. He spoke to the RTA and thinks that it should be 1308mm front and rear but mine come in at 1380mm and 1390mm.

I have spoken to a couple of LR mechanics who all feel that there has been a mistake re the source of the info, but I need to get a copy of a spec to confirm it one way or another.

Does anyone know or could someone point me to a site or somewhere that I can get an answer on this?

Regards

Buckerz

[abaddonxi]

Hi Buckers,

Welcome to AULRO.

I'm assuming that wheel track is the distance between the wheels measures across the car - driver to passenger side?

If that's the case, then your mechanic is worrying about an extra 4cm width in each wheel.

Standard LR wheels are 16"x5.5" running 7.5x16 tyres, afaik.

So your Sunraysias are non-standard, and I guess are about 15x7.5".

That doesn't exactly sound like a radical modification.

Time to go to another mechanic.

If wheel track is something else, I'm a goose, sorry.

hth

Cheers
Simon

[rick130]

the Game defintely came standard with Sunraysias, can't remember if they were 15x7" or 15x8", either way, the track would be quite a bit wider tban 'stock' 5.5" rims. It's a shame I don't have any of my old 'Off Road Australia' and 'Overlander' from when I was a kid as I can well remember the copy in one of the mags when it was realeased,
"Land Rover gets Game, and this is standard !"
IIRC, they were all bright yellow, black stripes, flares and white Sunraysias. It was Leyland Australia's attempt to tap into the burgeoning RV market that boomed in the mid-late seventies.

My old '74 CJ6 Jeep that was my first car 23 years ago also had Jeep Australia fitted genuine 15x8" Sunraysias and they had a 3" back spacing, so you can imagine how much wider they made the track :twisted:

[101RRS]

I agree - Games came standard with wide white wheels (Sunraysias?) - the mechanic must have been using the track measurements for a standard Series 3 which is 1308mm and not a Game - I suggest you go back and get him to use the measurements from for the correct vehicle. The RTA should have the correct details in their tech standards database. Sorry but i don't have the Game track measurements.

If the vehicle you bought was the Game from Canberra recently advertised on e-bay - it definitely has the original wheels on it.

Garry

[abaddonxi]

There you go.

It could be listed under one of the other manufacturers in the RTA database - Leyland, Landrover, etc.

Cheers
Simon

[p38arover]

The track is the distance between the centre lines of each wheel on the same axle - not the distance between the wheels.

I'm surprised the track is so much wider. I'd expect very little change in track even with wider wheels. The only way the track can change is if the offset of the wheels has been changed.

If you have the same offset, then the wheels can be twice or three times, etc., as wide and the track will not change.

The simplest thing would be to borrow 5 wheels from a standard LR and get it slipped on those.

Ron

[one_iota]

It just happens that I was at Land Vehicle Spares in Silverdale today and one of our AULRO members simongenet was leaving his Game there for rego inspection.

It might be worth giving the proprietor Brian Danielson a call. LVS are open this Monday (24th) so give them a call. If Brian isn't there ask for George.

I am sure they can do a Bluey as well :wink:

Contact details here:

http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Foru...iewtopic&t=1247 (http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1247)

[Hellspawn]

HS being an old farm hack, I remember having this (of many) trouble(s) when I put it over the pits for re-registration (blue slip) with the wide wheels. Like wise was told the track was not to specifications.

I just swapped for the second inspection back to roadworthy narrow rim/tyres and put the wides back on after the pass. They have been on ever since (5yrs), still have the narrows in storage just in case. :wink:

Out of interest I just went down and measured the front track on HS ('75 SWB).

Wheels straight ahead, rims being 15 X 8 aftermarket rims

1400mm exactly to the centres of the tyres on both sides, so they must run straight as per workshop manual spec.

Simplest solution, find someone who has a narrow tyre set you could borrow for the inspection and stick a few blown bulbs in the lights just so the mechanic has something to whinge about other than it being an old land rover. The vehicle will pass, as mine did, then when it's registered put the wide wheels back on.

NB. Mechanic is right about the wheel track, RTA Guidelines show vehicle track must not be altered more than 25mm of manufacturers original spec. If there is only one spec for the SWB being the base model then that's what it has to be on your vehicle regardless of how it came from the factory. Trust me if this mechanic is going to get nasty he will, right down to how many cycles the wipers do in a minute, not to spec. he'll ping you for that too.

[rick130]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>NB. Mechanic is right about the wheel track, RTA Guidelines show vehicle track must not be altered more than 25mm of manufacturers original spec. If there is only one spec for the SWB being the base model then that's what it has to be on your vehicle regardless of how it came from the factory. Trust me if this mechanic is going to get nasty he will, right down to how many cycles the wipers do in a minute, not to spec. he'll ping you for that too.[/b][/quote]

true, but the Game was an official Leyland Australia model with wide wheels and a wider track, so there would be a Vehicle Recognition Form somewhere in Oz for it.

[LRHybrid100]

may be of interest:

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album55/game_003.sized.jpg

[LRHybrid100]

and theres more!!!:

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album55/Landrover_Series_III_Game_78.jpg

[Hellspawn]

Accept your view but I believe is not always the case.

If that view was true, I would think the RTA would have a copy of that VRF and would have corrected the mechanic, yet have sided with him.
I also think he would have given them the correct vehicle information and is not intentionally antagonistic towards the owner, just doing what is required of him as an inspector.

[Cousin_John]

Jay is right, you can only widen the track by 25mm. You realy need to get writen proof of the original dimensions, you may be abel to get a landrover dealer to ring the technical department at landrover Aust for the information. It could be that the original sunraiser rims were ofset to give the standerd track, the only thing is if that was the case why bother with flares.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by Buckers
Hello all,

I hope someone can help me. I have just bought a 1977 SWB Game (88") from the ACT and want to register it in NSW. It has 15" Sunrasias on it (as per original I am told) and factory fitted flares on the guards.

This one from eBay?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Landrover-Land-Rove...4QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Landrover-Land-Rover-series-3-game-4x4-very-original_W0QQitemZ4628729410QQcategoryZ96714QQcmdZ ViewItem)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/47.jpg

Ron

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by abaddonxi

So your Sunraysias are non-standard, and I guess are about 15x7.5".



Honk, honk, honk.

:oops:

Cheers
Simon

[JDNSW]

Just because a vehicle was made with a particular specification does not mean that it exists in RTA's specifications. For example, I have been assured by the RTA (head office) that the only lwb ute Landrover made was a tabletop. Hence my ute is described as a TT and my attempts to change it have been unsuccessful. No problems with pink slips, however, as my mechanic has been doing it for years and knows it will be in good shape.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by JDNSW
Just because a vehicle was made with a particular specification does not mean that it exists in RTA's specifications. For example, I have been assured by the RTA (head office) that the only lwb ute Landrover made was a tabletop. Hence my ute is described as a TT and my attempts to change it have been unsuccessful.

Probably why, in the later years of its registration, my Hillman was registered as a "Chrysler Unknown" - the RTA has deleted the data or never copied it across to their computers.

Ron

[Killer]

I just measured mine (1978 Game on original Sunraysias) it was 1390mm at front and 1380 at rear. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Mick.

[Buckers]

Originally posted by p38arover
This one from eBay?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/47.jpg

Hi Ron,

Yeah that's the one. It had been pulled apart and rebuilt from the ground up by a fairly amazing 17 year old. His entire family are Land Rover enthusiasts.

I have tried the RTA and they only have specs for the Series 3 so I am now waiting in Land Rover to get back to me.

Thanks to all for the help

Cheers

Buckerz

[Hellspawn]

Originally posted by JDNSW
Just because a vehicle was made with a particular specification does not mean that it exists in RTA's specifications. For example, I have been assured by the RTA (head office) that the only lwb ute Landrover made was a tabletop.

RTA register mine as a "ute" with "canopy" (hardtop SWB). The engineers report because of the motor change has it as a panel van with rear seats and windows. The insurance mob, because of the GM 186 class it as a 4x4 sports car. :roll:

No uniformity is the problem and has been for years.

[101RRS]

Originally posted by Buckers+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Buckers)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
This one from eBay?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/47.jpg

Hi Ron,

Yeah that's the one. It had been pulled apart and rebuilt from the ground up by a fairly amazing 17 year old. His entire family are Land Rover enthusiasts.

Buckerz[/b][/quote]

I needs to have the Game decals put on it.

Gazzz

[303gunner]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JDNSW
Just because a vehicle was made with a particular specification does not mean that it exists in RTA's specifications. For example, I have been assured by the RTA (head office) that the only lwb ute Landrover made was a tabletop. Hence my ute is described as a TT and my attempts to change it have been unsuccessful.

Probably why, in the later years of its registration, my Hillman was registered as a "Chrysler Unknown" - the RTA has deleted the data or never copied it across to their computers.

Ron[/b][/quote]
Now, I know someone with a trailer registration with Make: Unk, Shape:Unk, no tare, GVM or VIN. That number plate gets swapped around on a lot of trailers, caravans, and boat trailers! 8O https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[p38arover]

Very useful!

Ron

[DeeJay]

I know of a local (in the hills around here) who has a half dozen series Landies, a tray for the firewood, a station wagon for the family, a SWB to commute, a modded up one for club trips plus a couple other.
Funny how they all are green and have the same Rego number. 8O

Green coz he swaps the door over as it has the rego label on it.
The number plates are on a plate that cleverly removes/installs quickly.
The one he commutes in has the proper engine number, he says he has been pulled over a few times and they are yet to look at the engine number. Even if they did he would explain that it was recently installed and he is doing the paperwork.
:idea: :idea:

[JDNSW]

I currently have a Victorian visiting me - unlike NSW (and Victoria when I lived there) his registration sticker has full details of the vehicle model and year (e.g. 2005 Toyota Corolla xyz 1.8 five door - the car is in the shed fifty yards from the house and I'm not going down in the cold just to check the actual model!), as well as the numbers. Maybe there is a reason for this ......

[p38arover]

Originally posted by JDNSW
I currently have a Victorian visiting me - unlike NSW (and Victoria when I lived there) his registration sticker has full details of the vehicle model and year (e.g. 2005 Toyota Corolla xyz 1.8 five door - the car is in the shed fifty yards from the house .

Yair, I'd keep the plurry Victorians in a shed well away from the house, too! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[JDNSW]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JDNSW
I currently have a Victorian visiting me - unlike NSW (and Victoria when I lived there) his registration sticker has full details of the vehicle model and year (e.g. 2005 Toyota Corolla xyz 1.8 five door - the car is in the shed fifty yards from the house .

Yair, I'd keep the plurry Victorians in a shed well away from the house, too! :)

Ron[/b][/quote]

You mean so I don't have to count the silverware when they are leaving?

[p38arover]

Originally posted by JDNSW+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JDNSW)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Yair, I'd keep the plurry Victorians in a shed well away from the house, too! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

You mean so I don't have to count the silverware when they are leaving?[/b][/quote]


Well, they are your friends. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[JDNSW]

Actually it is only the car in the shed - the owner is in the house. But no good asking him about the sticker - he'd never noticed what was on it.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by JDNSW
Actually it is only the car in the shed - the owner is in the house. But no good asking him about the sticker - he'd never noticed what was on it.

Toyota driver. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[Buckers]

A quick update.....

Landrover finally found an original brochure for the Game and it details the 8 x 15" sunraysias and flares. It doesn't howerver specify the dimensions for the wheel track.

I am back to the mechanic on Monday brochure (and hat) in hand hoping that this will be enough to convince him to pass it.

I cant see anywhere on this post that I can attach a copy of the brochure (for future reference). If thee is a way, let me know and it will be done.

Cheers and thanks

Buckerz

[p38arover]

If you can scan it, I can post it here or elsewhere.

Ron

[101RRS]

Can the tech standards section of the ACT motor registry office help out - they clearly accepted the Game previously for rego and up until a few years back it was over the motor registry pits each year - the test was quite a bit more rigorous than the local garage in NSW.

I have dealt with Tech standards before and they have generally been really helpful except when they defected my subaru in their car park for having 14" wheels - lesson learned - don't take a lifted/larger wheeled car in to an RTA carpark - the tempatation for the inspectors is too great.

Anyway - the ACT accepted has accepted the vehicle in the past and they might actual have the specs for the Game and can pass them onto the NSW RTA.

Garry

[p38arover]

A quick update.....

Landrover finally found an original brochure for the Game and it details the 8 x 15" sunraysias and flares. It doesn't howerver specify the dimensions for the wheel track.

I am back to the mechanic on Monday brochure (and hat) in hand hoping that this will be enough to convince him to pass it.

I cant see anywhere on this post that I can attach a copy of the brochure (for future reference). If thee is a way, let me know and it will be done.

Cheers and thanks

Buckerz

Any progress on scanning it?

If needs be I can bring a scanner into work when I'm on at Springwood Signal Box. You might be able to drop in and we can do it on the spot - yopu do live close by.

I assume yours is the one I've seen and photographed in the railway station car park at Springwood

Ron